I finally got around to getting a personal copy of H. Austin Cooper's "Two Centuries of Brothersvalley Church of the Brethren" to learn exactly what Philip Kimmel's involvement was in the Church of the Brethren. The book leaves me more puzzled each time I read it. In it, Cooper claims Philip Kimmel trained in Germantown, moved to Ephrata and then to Antrim Township. I can't find evidence of him being in any of these places -- in the book or elsewhere. He has Philip and other members of the Stonycreek congregation all being there by 1762 and yet Philip Kimmel is still living in Reading Township, York County in 1765 and other members are on the Antrim Township tax rolls. If there are no records before 1769 for Stonycreek Church, how did Cooper determine all of the ordinations in that congregation in 1764-1766? I can only find evidence of one of the original families being in Stonycreek by 1762 in his book. There appears to be a lot of counterdictions. Am I missing something? I've posted a list of events by date from the book at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Spec-Stonycreek.htm . I'd like some help in determining when Stonycreek Church was organized (Cooper says 1762, but to me it appears to be around 1770), and figuring out when and where Philip Kimmel and Elder Martin lived in the 1760s. --Tim Kimmel ==============