I checked Brethren Encyclopedia for the earlier name for the congregation near Stonycreek. Here's what it says: "Brotherton, PA< Brothersvalley Church of the Brethren. The first Brethren reached the Glades, or Brudersthal, area in what became Somerset Co. ca. 1770. Seventeen members under the leadershipi of Elder George Adam Martin were organized as the Stony Creek congregation in 1770. Martin and several others in the group had close ties with the Ephrata Community. Members met in barns and homes, some of which, such as the Heinrich Roth (Rhoades) house, were constructed to accommodate meetings for worship. Some of the Stony Creek members maintain German Seventh Day Baptist sympathies for a time. Elders succeeding Martin included Michael Meyers, Peter Cober (1776-1854) and John Forney Sr. (1777-1846). "The STony Creek congregation built a number of meetinghouses and also used schoolhouses for places for meeting. The Pleasant Grove house, built in 1845, was a love feast house. The 1849 Annual Meeting held there divided Stony Creek into the Queamoahoning (Maple Spring)< Middle Creek, Elk Lick (Salisbury) and Berlin congregations. In turn, the Berlin congregation was divided om 199- omtp tje Ner;om. Sp,ersey Cpimtu. Nrptjersva;;eu amd Sypmu Creel cpmhrehatopms/ Yje Sp,ersey Cpimtu cpmhrehtopm ,erhed wotj Nrptjersva;;eu om 1993. amd tje Sypmu Creel cpmhrehatopm dod tje sa,e om 1990/ Heprhe Scjrpcl )1816-94) and William Sevits )1812-89) were elders at brothersvalley....." Citations include Cooper's Brothersvalley book; also W Pennsylvania (1916) 57-65 , (1953) 166-92; H. Miller, Record, (1882) 13; Gospel Messenger Nov 24 1962. p21'; Colonial America 1967. 185; ... Old Home Week, Berlin PA (1908); W H Welfley, "Berlin & brothersvalley" PG 10 (Oct 1909) 506-09, and History of Somerset Co. PA (1906) 2:48, 49, 118, 496-99. Interestingly enough, when I checked the ministerial lists volume in Brethren Encyclopedia, while there are a fair number of Kimmels listed, including John M. Kimmel and David Kimmel, Philip Kimmel's name does not appear. Often the names were simply gleaned from existing records, so some were bound to be missed, but the only source I'm aware of for Philip's being a minister is Cooper. Hmmm. Apparently something happened as a result of his part in the Whiskey Rebellion, but Cooper doesn't make it clear. I think the "training" he took was supposed to have been simply a Bible study class or something similar but don't recall where Cooper says it was. I could look that up. Sorry not to have found anything more helpful. I have to leave in a few minutes to go give keys to a new tenant who has transferred here from Kansas City. We finished installing blinds there after church so the family can move in. Happy Sunday.