Well, I may be the one confused. My David Kimmel 1763 is s/o Philip Kimmel & Anna Christina Henn. He had a brother named Isaac (also Michael, Conrad, Jacob, Abraham, Solomon and sister Elizabeth who m. a Zimmerman). Isaac --the Isaac Kimmel I'm thinking of, anyway-- was born 1769 in PA , died 1851 Coitsville OH, and married Anne Musser 1774-1828. Anne Musser 1774-1828 is d/o John Musser and Barbar Kreider. She and Isaac had at least 12 children . Sarah Kimmel who married Dr. Peter C. Musser, is d/o Ludwig & Salome Cable Kimmel, according to my records. Sarah Kimmel Musser lived 1828-1859 and wound up in Lewis Co. WV. She was first wife. 2d was Eliza A Bond. Peter Musser 1826-1906 was s/o Tobias Musser and Susanna Croner. And if I have the details right, his grandparents were John & Barbara Kreider Musser. Susanna Croner, Peter Musser's mother, was a d/o Elder John Groner and wife Magdalena. Susanna Croner, thus, was a sister of Barbara Croner who married David Kimmel 1763. We were obviously working with a limited gene pool here! (On the other hand, Ken has two first cousins --sisters--who married an uncle and nephew. Which I think means that Norma's sister is her niece by marriage, and Russell's nephew is his brother-in-law.) Jan T