Interesting, Debby! When I looked up in my records Bishop Tobias Kreider 1721-3/1791, I see that I have him as s/o Martin Kreider and h/o Anna Buckwalter. Children listed are Jacob Greider and Barbara Kreider Musser. I also have a Tobias Kreider b 1826 d 1902 in southern Ohio who m. Lydia Welbaum. Children Lawrence Kreider and Willis Kreider, amonst others (10 I believe). Not sure how he fits into things. They show up on a list of ministers and elders for Church of the Brethren 1795-1989 requesting help in grathering info on these people and their families in 1989. The information on Bishop Tobias Kreider came from FOBG newsletter summer 1991 p 31. FOBG is Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists, and the newsletter is now called Brethren Roots. Mennonite Family History 1992 January carried a query by Carolyn Denlinger "Tobias Kreider (May 17, 1749-May 14, 1838) m. Barbara Diffenbaugh (May 13, 1761-Nov 13 1820). They had a son Jacob (May 19, 1781-Aug 8, 1855). Was there a son David March 1 1779-Jan 9 1844)? " She wanted more information on this family. PA German Marriages by Donna Irish has a Tobias Kreiter m. Maria Thompson of Lebanon 28 May 1793. And a Tobias Kreider, widower, m. Maria Dohner 24 Dec 1829 at Tabor First Reformed Church at Lebanon, Lebanon Co. PA. Which Tobias?? PA Mennonite Heritage mentions on p 33 Oct 98 a Tobias Kreider 1721-1791 who was f/o Jacob Kreider 1744-1789 a s/o Jacob Krittor/Kreider 1681-174- who m. Elizabeth ----. As to Anna Buckwalter Kreider born 10/28/1725 and died 10/6/1805, the name and dates for her came from PA Mennonite Heritage p 33 Oct 98. Years only. Wenger gave specific dates and calls her Anlea, names parents as Theodorus Buckwalter, Barbara Landis. >From Cathryn Driver (a triple Kimmel, I think, who married a double Kimmel, as I recall?) the name Jacob Greider as s/o Tobias and Anna Buckwalter Kreider. Jacob 1744 died 8/29/1789. Wife's name from FOBG summer 1991 p 31 "The David Kreider Family of Montgomery Co. Ohio." DOB< DOD from PA Mennonite Heritage p 33 Oct 98. Says he is s/o Tobias and Anna Buckwalter, grandson of Jacob Krittor/Kreider 1681-1741 and Elizabeth ---. I too have notes indicating that Barbara Kreider Musser is d/o Bishop Kreider and Anna Buckwalter. from PEOPLE OF THE MARSH 7/75 (via Duane Sawhill): John [Musser] (1753-1828) married Barbara (1751-1833) the daughter of Bishop Tobias Kreider (1721-1791) and granddaughter of the immigrant Jacob Kreider (Ref: : Gen Record of Greider-Kreider Family in America. by Stauffer. According to Mrs. Harry Jensen of Lancaster, Barbara's mother was Anlea Buckwalter (1725-1805) d/o Durst & Barbara Landis Buckwalter. John & Barbara Kreider Musser located the "Round Meadow" farm in Somerset in 1784. They had eight children. So the only things I've got that say Barbara wasn't Tobias's daughter but the d/o of Jacob or John Jacob Kreider are Austin Cooper's Brothersvalley book and a sourceless pedigree appearing in the Berlin genealogy newsletter, probably based on Cooper.... The only source I have for Tobias's father being Martin and not Jacob or John Jacob is an e-mail from Daniel Wenger 3/99. Hmmm. No wonder we need to go confirm the information with original sources, something I have yet to do on all this. Thanks for making me take a second look, Debby. Jan T