Hi Listers, I haven't received any mail from this list for ages, hope I still belong. While I had some free time, I was looking at names listed in the bible of Jacob Kimmel, posted by Debby Bliss. Thanks Debby. I found Sarah Kimmel b. Mar. 9, 1828 d. Mar. 9, 1859 (on her birthday) died in West Virginia. Married Dr. Peter C. MUSSER. If I have the information correct, Sarah was the sister of my g,g, grandfather, Tobias Kimmel. I know a Musser/Mosser researcher on another list, so I checked with her. She shared the following: Dr. Peter Croner Musser b. Oct. 6, 1826 m. (1) Sarah Kimmel (2) Elizabeth Bond. Peter Musser's parents were, Tobias Musser 1776 Somerset Co. PA, Stoneycreek Twp. m. Susan Croner. Is anyone else on this list searching this line of the Kimmel family? The Musser/Moser researcher is trying to sort out the Musser family, and I thought maybe someone here could help with that line. She also shared information on Isaac Kimmel and children, but gave no dates, except for the parents of Isaac's wife.

Hi Pat, I'm glad my old posting was useful to you. The holidays are probably why people haven't sent messages for a while. Postings have been down on all the lists I'm on. Everything you posted fits with what I have, except I couldn't figure out which Isaac Kimmel you were reffering to. Debby

Thanks - - - Bill M Jay Kimmel wrote: > The following was posted on the Lancaster County PA RootsWeb Mailing List > Server. The poster has has been transcribing journals from 1776 > previously published. Material posted for earlier in the year of 1776 > can be found at - > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Enter PALANCAS as the Name of the List > > Now read on and consider the meaning of Christmas over the years to > some of our Kimmel ancestors. > > Jay Kimmel > - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - - -- > > Subject: > [PALANCAS-L] Dec 25 and 26 Lanc. Diary Entry > Resent-Date: > Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:08:24 -0800 (PST) > Resent-From: > PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > Date: > Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) > From: > S Hafner <shaf41@yahoo.com> > To: > PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com > > I keep forgetting to ask also: At one time, someone > was talking about not including all of the message > when replying as some people have to pay depending on > the amount or size of their emails??? Is this correct > or did I imagine this? I can if enough of you would > prefer, post all of the diary entries on my page > rather than email them??? Just let me know what the > most of you would prefer. This way too, they'd be > there if you ever want to go back to them. Whatever > way is best for all of you is okay with me. Sue > December 26th entry really tore at my heart! Such a > sad and terrible thing for anyone to go through! > > December 25, Wednesday (1776) > Christmas Day. Henry Bennet and Elizabeth Thomson > married today at > St. James Church in Lancaster. (49) > > Peter Vetter, son of Gottleib Vetter died today. > According to the Burial Book of the Moravian > Church, he was born May 16, 1771. (50) See also > Appendix. > > Appendix for December 25, 1776 > GENERAL WASHINGTON TO ROBERT MORRIS. > Head-Quarters, 25th December, 1776. > DEAR SIR: I have your obliging favours of the 21st and > 23d. The blankets are come to hand; but I would not > have any of the other goods sent on till you hear > again from me. > I agree with you that it is in vain to ruminate upon, > or even reflect upon, the authors or causes of our > present misfortunes. We should rather exert ourselves, > and look forward with hopes, that some lucky chance > may yet turn up in our favour. Bad as our prospects > are, I should not have the least doubt of success in > the end did not the late treachery and defection of > those who stood foremost in the Opposition while > fortune smiled upon us make me fearful that many more > will follow their example, who, by using their > influence with some and working upon the fears of > others, may extend the circle so as to take in whole > Towns, Counties, nay Provinces. Of this, we have a > recent instance in Jersey; and I wish many parts of > Pennsylvania may not be ready to receive the yoke. > The security of the Continental ships-of-war in > Delaware is certainly a capital object, and yet to > draft the many hands necessary to fit them out, from > the Militia, might be dangerous just now. Perhaps, in > a little time hence, their places may be supplied with > country Militia, and then, if the exigency of affairs > requires it, they certainly ought to be spared. > I will just hint to you a proposition that was made, > or rather talked of, a few days ago, by the officers > of two New-England regiments, whose time of service > will expire on the 1st January. They are, most of > them, watermen, and they said their men would > willingly go on board the frigates and navigate them > round to any of the ports of New-England, if it was > thought they would be safer there than in Delaware. > You may think of this, and let me hear from you on the > subject if the proposition pleases you. > Lieutenant Boger, of the Navy, is already gone in; and > I have made a demand of Lieutenant Josiah in exchange, > but I have not heard whether Lord Howe accedes to it. > I will procure the release of Doctor Hodge as soon as > it can be done without injuring others by giving him > the preference, as I have always made it a rule to > demand those first who have been longest in captivity. > I will take the same steps in regard to Mr. Jones, > commander of the sloop taken by the Andrew Doria. > I shall take the earliest opportunity of sending in > your letter to General Lee, with the bill drawn upon > Major Small. > >From an intercepted letter from a person in the > secrets of the enemy, I find their > intentions are to cross the Delaware as soon as the > ice is sufficiently strong. I mention this that you > may take the necessary steps for the security of such > publick and private property as ought not to fall into > their hands should they make > themselves master of Philadelphia, of which they do > not seem to entertain the least doubt. > I hope the next Christmas will prove happier than the > present to you, and to, dear sir, your sincere friend > and humble servant, Go.Washington > > P.S. I would just ask whether you think Christeen a > safe place for our stores? Do you not think they would > be safer at Lancaster, or somewhere more inland? > Robert Morris, Esq. > 1420 Series 5, Vol. 3 > > 2nd December 25 Appendix > GENERAL WASHINGTON TO GENERAL PUTNAM > Camp, above Trenton-Falls, December 25th, 1776. > DEAR SIR: I am glad to hear by your son that you are > getting better again. If I had not been well convinced > before of the enemy's intention of possessing > themselves of Philadelphia so soon as the frost will > form ice hard enough to transport them and their > artillery across the Delaware, I have an intercepted > letter which puts the matter beyond a doubt. If, > therefore, the citizens of Philadelphia have any > regard for the town, not a moment's time is to be lost > in putting it in the best posture of defence possible; > but lest this should not be done, I would have the > publick stores of every kind that can be, removed, > except such as may be necessary for immediate use, and > except provisions. I think the stores should go > towards Lancaster instead of Christeen bridge, unless > they can be water borne (at this time to the bridge) > and readily transported from thence into the country. > Should not this be the case, may they not easily be > seized at Christeen? I think they may; but this matter > should be inquired into. > I am sorry Colonel Griffin has left the Jerseys. Some > active officer of influence ought, in my opinion, to > repair there, to inspirit the people and keep the > Militia from disbanding, and, if possible, to > encourage them to assemble. > Let me know the exact state and strength of the > Militia with you, that I may know how to govern > myself; also of the expectation you have of more > coming in. > I am, dear Sir, yours, &c., GO. WASHINGTON. > > December 26, Thursday > The Battle of Trenton was fought today. Thomas Davis > and Mary Haggan were married at St. James Church. (51) > > Rev. Cuthbertson wrote: "Rode 5 miles home by John > Maeben's- Great Snow. . ." (52) > > Colonel James Crawford's Fifth Battalion was ordered > back to Lancaster today. Christopher Marshall wrote to > Peter Miller at Ephrata: "Philadelphia, December 26th, > 1776. To Peter Miller at Ephrata pr favor of Adam > Kimmel-Respected Friend, Thou may think of the old > proverb, 'out of sight, out of mind,' but this has not > been my case of which I think thou will be convinced > when I have informed thee of the painful Exercises I > am and have been engaged in from the 5th inst. that is > at the request of the Council of Safety, I accepted to > call on some of my fellow citizens as many as I > thought convenient to assist me in taking care of the > distressed and sick soldiers as they come into town, > provide for them such necessaries as could be procured > & convenient for them in their unhappy grevious > condition of which no idea thou can form will come up > to their Distresses and was occasioned wholly through > the Cruel and most barbarous severity inflicted on > them whilst Prisoners under General Howe . . . of > which some Hundreds are already dead & other's dying > daily . . . They say that for the first 4 days no > subsistance of any kind was allowed them, shut up in > Nasty filthy places and yet in such numbers yet it was > a wonder that any escaped an affection, when supplyed > it was with short allowance of extremely bad bread > and, raw picketed pork-this from their appearance is > not exaggerated . . . skins covered with filth and > lice covering a parcel of bones- with scarcely raggs > sufficient to hid their nakedness . . . we are daily > employed in order . . . to mitigate their sufferings . > . . by the help of good nourishment and Physick > properly applyed . . . give my kind respects unto all > inquiring friends, I remain thy ready friend to serve > when capable. > (signed) Christopher Marshall. (53) > > Source: Lancaster Diary 1776 > Compiled by Walter F. Ayars III > for the Greater Lancaster Chapter Of > The Lancaster Bicentennial Committe, 1976 > This diary is made up of Excerpts from diaries, > day books, journals, newspapers, and court records > of the daily life in Lancaster County in the year > 1776.

The following was posted on the Lancaster County PA RootsWeb Mailing List Server. The poster has has been transcribing journals from 1776 previously published. Material posted for earlier in the year of 1776 can be found at - http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter PALANCAS as the Name of the List Now read on and consider the meaning of Christmas over the years to some of our Kimmel ancestors. Jay Kimmel - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - - -- Subject: [PALANCAS-L] Dec 25 and 26 Lanc. Diary Entry Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:08:24 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:08:22 -0800 (PST) From: S Hafner <shaf41@yahoo.com> To: PALANCAS-L@rootsweb.com I keep forgetting to ask also: At one time, someone was talking about not including all of the message when replying as some people have to pay depending on the amount or size of their emails??? Is this correct or did I imagine this? I can if enough of you would prefer, post all of the diary entries on my page rather than email them??? Just let me know what the most of you would prefer. This way too, they'd be there if you ever want to go back to them. Whatever way is best for all of you is okay with me. Sue December 26th entry really tore at my heart! Such a sad and terrible thing for anyone to go through! December 25, Wednesday (1776) Christmas Day. Henry Bennet and Elizabeth Thomson married today at St. James Church in Lancaster. (49) Peter Vetter, son of Gottleib Vetter died today. According to the Burial Book of the Moravian Church, he was born May 16, 1771. (50) See also Appendix. Appendix for December 25, 1776 GENERAL WASHINGTON TO ROBERT MORRIS. Head-Quarters, 25th December, 1776. DEAR SIR: I have your obliging favours of the 21st and 23d. The blankets are come to hand; but I would not have any of the other goods sent on till you hear again from me. I agree with you that it is in vain to ruminate upon, or even reflect upon, the authors or causes of our present misfortunes. We should rather exert ourselves, and look forward with hopes, that some lucky chance may yet turn up in our favour. Bad as our prospects are, I should not have the least doubt of success in the end did not the late treachery and defection of those who stood foremost in the Opposition while fortune smiled upon us make me fearful that many more will follow their example, who, by using their influence with some and working upon the fears of others, may extend the circle so as to take in whole Towns, Counties, nay Provinces. Of this, we have a recent instance in Jersey; and I wish many parts of Pennsylvania may not be ready to receive the yoke. The security of the Continental ships-of-war in Delaware is certainly a capital object, and yet to draft the many hands necessary to fit them out, from the Militia, might be dangerous just now. Perhaps, in a little time hence, their places may be supplied with country Militia, and then, if the exigency of affairs requires it, they certainly ought to be spared. I will just hint to you a proposition that was made, or rather talked of, a few days ago, by the officers of two New-England regiments, whose time of service will expire on the 1st January. They are, most of them, watermen, and they said their men would willingly go on board the frigates and navigate them round to any of the ports of New-England, if it was thought they would be safer there than in Delaware. You may think of this, and let me hear from you on the subject if the proposition pleases you. Lieutenant Boger, of the Navy, is already gone in; and I have made a demand of Lieutenant Josiah in exchange, but I have not heard whether Lord Howe accedes to it. I will procure the release of Doctor Hodge as soon as it can be done without injuring others by giving him the preference, as I have always made it a rule to demand those first who have been longest in captivity. I will take the same steps in regard to Mr. Jones, commander of the sloop taken by the Andrew Doria. I shall take the earliest opportunity of sending in your letter to General Lee, with the bill drawn upon Major Small. >From an intercepted letter from a person in the secrets of the enemy, I find their intentions are to cross the Delaware as soon as the ice is sufficiently strong. I mention this that you may take the necessary steps for the security of such publick and private property as ought not to fall into their hands should they make themselves master of Philadelphia, of which they do not seem to entertain the least doubt. I hope the next Christmas will prove happier than the present to you, and to, dear sir, your sincere friend and humble servant, Go.Washington P.S. I would just ask whether you think Christeen a safe place for our stores? Do you not think they would be safer at Lancaster, or somewhere more inland? Robert Morris, Esq. 1420 Series 5, Vol. 3 2nd December 25 Appendix GENERAL WASHINGTON TO GENERAL PUTNAM Camp, above Trenton-Falls, December 25th, 1776. DEAR SIR: I am glad to hear by your son that you are getting better again. If I had not been well convinced before of the enemy's intention of possessing themselves of Philadelphia so soon as the frost will form ice hard enough to transport them and their artillery across the Delaware, I have an intercepted letter which puts the matter beyond a doubt. If, therefore, the citizens of Philadelphia have any regard for the town, not a moment's time is to be lost in putting it in the best posture of defence possible; but lest this should not be done, I would have the publick stores of every kind that can be, removed, except such as may be necessary for immediate use, and except provisions. I think the stores should go towards Lancaster instead of Christeen bridge, unless they can be water borne (at this time to the bridge) and readily transported from thence into the country. Should not this be the case, may they not easily be seized at Christeen? I think they may; but this matter should be inquired into. I am sorry Colonel Griffin has left the Jerseys. Some active officer of influence ought, in my opinion, to repair there, to inspirit the people and keep the Militia from disbanding, and, if possible, to encourage them to assemble. Let me know the exact state and strength of the Militia with you, that I may know how to govern myself; also of the expectation you have of more coming in. I am, dear Sir, yours, &c., GO. WASHINGTON. December 26, Thursday The Battle of Trenton was fought today. Thomas Davis and Mary Haggan were married at St. James Church. (51) Rev. Cuthbertson wrote: "Rode 5 miles home by John Maeben's- Great Snow. . ." (52) Colonel James Crawford's Fifth Battalion was ordered back to Lancaster today. Christopher Marshall wrote to Peter Miller at Ephrata: "Philadelphia, December 26th, 1776. To Peter Miller at Ephrata pr favor of Adam Kimmel-Respected Friend, Thou may think of the old proverb, 'out of sight, out of mind,' but this has not been my case of which I think thou will be convinced when I have informed thee of the painful Exercises I am and have been engaged in from the 5th inst. that is at the request of the Council of Safety, I accepted to call on some of my fellow citizens as many as I thought convenient to assist me in taking care of the distressed and sick soldiers as they come into town, provide for them such necessaries as could be procured & convenient for them in their unhappy grevious condition of which no idea thou can form will come up to their Distresses and was occasioned wholly through the Cruel and most barbarous severity inflicted on them whilst Prisoners under General Howe . . . of which some Hundreds are already dead & other's dying daily . . . They say that for the first 4 days no subsistance of any kind was allowed them, shut up in Nasty filthy places and yet in such numbers yet it was a wonder that any escaped an affection, when supplyed it was with short allowance of extremely bad bread and, raw picketed pork-this from their appearance is not exaggerated . . . skins covered with filth and lice covering a parcel of bones- with scarcely raggs sufficient to hid their nakedness . . . we are daily employed in order . . . to mitigate their sufferings . . . by the help of good nourishment and Physick properly applyed . . . give my kind respects unto all inquiring friends, I remain thy ready friend to serve when capable. (signed) Christopher Marshall. (53) Source: Lancaster Diary 1776 Compiled by Walter F. Ayars III for the Greater Lancaster Chapter Of The Lancaster Bicentennial Committe, 1976 This diary is made up of Excerpts from diaries, day books, journals, newspapers, and court records of the daily life in Lancaster County in the year 1776.

Hi Dick. My name is Warren E Kimmel, I was born and raised in Valley View Pa, I was born Jan8 1929. I used to work for Allen Kimmel who owned the dairy. I worked after school, Saturdays and between my time in the USMC. I may have handled the actual bottle that Linda mentioed, I used to deliver milk, ice, and ice cream to the Kimmel booth at the Gratz Fair which was and is held every year. I left the Valley in 1946, and get back home on occassion, mostly now just for funerals. When we were young we had little interest in Genealogy but I remember my Dad telling us that Allen Kimmel was a diatant cousin, His wife was named Eva and they had one daughter named Nancy who married a local boy named Bill Whitman.I believe they moved to an area around Harrisburg. The Kimmel Dairy also had an ice cream parlor in this small town and during the Second World War , we who were too young to join used to hang out at the restaurant which also had a dance floor. this was the coolest spot in the Hegins Valley, memories, memories. As far as the dairy goes, it is no longer in operation, Allen died from Diabetes and when they had to remove one leg, I think he gave up hope for a good life. I know the dairy was still around in 1948 & 1949 because that was between my times in the USMC and I worked at the dairy and in the booth at the Gratz Fair. I know of the milk crate that you refer to. many did I lift and carry. It is a collectors item and even in the Valley there is not much Kimmel Dairy items available. The dairy went out of business somewhere early in the 50s. The restaurant was converted to apartments, the dairy processing plant was dismantled and the building last I knew of was used as a body and fender repair shop. Warren Kimmel

Hello; My name is Warren E. Kimmel, I was born in Valley View, Pa on Jan 8 1929. I worked at Kimmels Dairy after schhol, weekends and between my times in the USMC, possibly I may have handled this particular bottle. I delivered milk, ice, and delivered to the Kimmel booth at the Gratz Fair. I joined the USMC in 1946 and was called back during the Korean War. I have been back to the Valley on occassion, I have a brother and two sisters still living Valley View and Hegins. When we were growing up we had no interest in genealogy and I only remember my Dad telling us that Allen Kimmel was a distant cousin, his wifes name was Eva and they had one daughter named Nancy who married a local boy named Bill Whitman, they moved somewhere near the Harrisburg area. My Grandfather was Aaron Kimmel, he had a farm and butcher shop in Sacramento, he took the produce and meats to market in a horse drawn ice cooled wagon, he would start very early in the morning and not get home til very late at nite. I dont know your connection with the Kimmel name or with the milk bottle, but should you want to part with the bottle I will buy it from you, you name the price. The rarrest Kimmel botles were the ones with a baby face on the neck of the bottle, this face was molded right into the glass of the bottle. I am late with this responce or request because we just got home frome visiting our daughter and family, for a month and a couple days in Alamogordo New Mexico. I would like to hear from youregarding the bottle and your Kimmel connection. Sincerely Warren Kimmel @ WEKIML or SpecialK2B, both at aol.com

In reference to the Kimmel Dairy in Valley View, PA and Dick Kimmel's comment that he lived on Valley View St in W VA....I lived on Valley View Dr in Wasilla, AK a couple of years ago...another interesting coincidence... :-) (my father's name was also Dick Kimmel) Corliss Kimmel

Regarding Linda's request - I would also appreciate information on the Kimmel Dairy. Some years back someone gave me one of those wooden carrying racks for milk bottles that said "Kimmel Dairy - Valley View, PA." It was interesting, as I was living on Valley View St. in Morgantown, WV at the time. Dick Kimmel

Hi Group, I purchased a old mild bottle at an antique store. The bottle states KIMMEL Ice Cream Hits the Spot. There is a bullseye with a arrow with delicious. The back of the bottle states" Good morning and Good Health Valley View Pa." Imprinted in the glass at the bottom is a large K.Does anyone know what Kimmel family was associated with the KImmel Dairy? I have seen advertisements in the Gratz Pa. Fair for KIMMel milkshakes. I do not collect bottles and only bought it due to the Kimmel connection. Thanks for any help! Linda

This was on a Mailing List I thought you would all be interested in it. I tried it but it timed me out while waiting for a reply. (probably too many people trying it) On the following URL, you can type in your last name and get photos, if any there, of distant relatives. The actual picture isn't there however, just the names and discriptions. You can order if from the military if you want. http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html Leslie

Dear possible Kimmel relative: This message is particularly directed to any descendants of Elijah Kimmel and Perneta Cazee, through sons Stephen and Loyd. Outside chance, maybe Elijah or Philip. I have recently come into possession of a picture of a family gathering probably taken in 1907 in Newton Stewart, Orange County, Indiana. I am looking to verify who my Kimmel relatives are, that are in this picture. I feel the reason the picture was taken was because it was basically a family reunion between my Grandparents two families (the Flick’s and the Kimmel’s) in anticipation of the immanent breakup of the family as many Kimmels were about to move on to Oklahoma. Mostly using educated guesses I feel fairly certain I know many who are in this picture, but only a few positively. Four families (one not represented here, probably because they were already in OK) to Oklahoma County (Spencer), and four to Roger Mills County (Hammon). The person who had the original picture and who posted it on the Internet, is not a family member (but descends from a close family friend) and did not know who the individuals were. If you can help me in this request, please contact me at Klimtree@aol.com. Even if you can only make one positive identification from your own family pictures it would help me. If you cannot help, but know of other relatives that may be able to help I would appreciate your passing this request on to them or sending me their name and address so that I can forward this request on to them as well. Thank you for your time. Bonnie Flick

Hi Kimel,Kimmel, Kimmell, Kimmal, Keehmle and Kummel cousins, Recently a case I am involved in was heard by the US Supreme Court and has gained some national attention. I'm attaching below an editorial in today's Washington Post describing the case. Of course I don't expect all the Kimmels in the country to be on my side on this issue, but at least I'm bringing some national attention to the Kimel name without being indicted first. ... Dan Kimel [Post Editorial] Suing Florida Monday, October 18, 1999; Page A18 THE SUPREME Court heard arguments last week in the case of a group of current and former faculty members at Florida public universities who have made age discrimination claims against the schools. The issues in the case are dense, but Kimel v. Florida Board of Regents could prove to be one of the most important cases of this Supreme Court term. Indeed, the case is about age discrimination only at its most superficial level. At its core, Kimel deals with the structural relationship between Congress and the states and the question of how completely state sovereignty protects state governments against federal laws that give individuals the right to sue for damages. Kimel is the latest -- and in some respects the most dramatic -- of a chain of troubling Supreme Court cases that have bolstered state sovereign immunity in recent years. This line of cases has had the perverse effect, in the name of federalism, of freeing states from the dictates of federal laws -- or, at least, of making it impossible for individuals to sue for damages when states violate those laws. What makes the Kimel case particularly disturbing is that it asks the justices to apply the logic of these prior cases to an area of law -- anti-discrimination -- in which federal intervention in state affairs has both huge historical importance and what ought to be solid constitutional foundations. There is no question that anti-discrimination statutes passed under Congress's 14th Amendment power to ensure the equal protection of law can trump the states' sovereign immunity. This ensures that states can be sued under federal laws against race discrimination, for example. But many anti-discrimination statutes -- the age-discrimination law at issue in Kimel included -- were passed under other congressional law-making powers. Laws passed under these powers, the court has held in the past few years, cannot strip states of the immunity that is -- in the court majority's view anyway -- theirs as an inherent feature of their sovereignty. So the dual question at issue in Kimel is whether Congress meant to strip the states of their sovereign immunity when it passed its age-discrimination law and whether the 14th Amendment gives it such power even when the record does not reflect that the law was passed under the 14th Amendment. In other words, the Kimel case will clarify just how narrowly the court means to construe the 14th Amendment exception to its prior restrictions on congressional authority to strip states of their sovereign immunity. This court's penchant for federalism gives rise to great nervousness among many liberals. This anxiety is an understandable legacy of the civil rights era, but liberal fear of federalism today is more than a little overblown. Indeed, a good bit of what the court contemplates by way of tinkering with the balance between Congress and the states is actually healthy. But this line of cases is not healthy. Particularly in the context of combating discrimination, where federal power has historically been the key instrument for protecting constitutional rights, making states less answerable to their citizens for violations of federal law is a vision of constitutional structure that is deeply unattractive. Though few expect the Supreme Court to rethink the direction in which it has been heading on state sovereign immunity issues, Congress should at least be permitted to pass anti-discrimination laws that apply evenly to private and public sector employers alike. © Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

My Missouri State Genealogical Society's newsletter just came and includes a listing entitled "Emigrants from Ulrichstein, Hessen" by Robert M. Doerr. It includes: KIMPEL, KONRAD 02.1845 nach USA mit Familie Quelle: M�ller Apparently Mr. Doerr had a professional genealogist in Hessisches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt provide data from the Emigrants' Register concerning one family from Ulrichstein and received a listing of many names. I wasn't sure this fellow was a Kimmel but thought he might be. Jan T

Are there any genealogy books published on the Kimmel family? I've done a little browsing, but can only come up with books on Adm. Kimmel (which would be very interesting to have), but not what I'm looking for at this time. Thanks, Charlotte

Hi Jay, Interesting story. I believe that a significant fraction of the Kimels in the country descend from Georg and Catherine Kimmel who appeared in Rowan Co., North Carolina, probably coming from Pennsylvania, c. 1770. The change from Kimmel to Kimel seems to have been part of the general anglicization of German names in NC during the period. Other examples are: Seitz->Sides, Leinbach->Lineback, Glattfelter->Clodfelder, Meier->Myers, Schaff->Shoaf, etc. Dan Kimel At 11:08 PM 10/7/1999 -0400, you wrote: >My great great grandfather Henry Kimmel 1800-1800 signed his name >with the more common spelling. However, one of his sons, who owned >a flour mill, changed the spelling to Kimel. Family accounts say >to allow the name to fit on the flour sacks more readily. When >Henry died, this son must have been involved in the burial, as >Henry is buried with the name Kimel on the gravestone. > At least one other son of Henry, my great grandfather, also changed >his name to Kimel, and used it all his life. And my grandfather, born >with that spelling kept it all his life. However, my dad tired of people >mispronouncing his name, and changed the spelling back to Kimmel. Not >legally, he just started using the spelling consistently. He even had >that spelling used on the gravestone of his father. I see this as some >sort of reverse symmetry. The natural order reasserting its self so to >speak. > I know of at least one living descendant of Henry who still bears >the Kimel label. But Kimmel, Kimmell, Kimel or whatever it's all >the same. Anyone for one M and two Ls? > M. Jay Kimmel >PS. Henry is one of the sons of Isaac Kimmel of Coitsville Twp, >Mahoning >County Ohio. Will be glad to exchange information with any descendant >of Isaac. >PPS. And no, the M. in my name has nothing to do with one M! > >

My great great grandfather Henry Kimmel 1800-1800 signed his name with the more common spelling. However, one of his sons, who owned a flour mill, changed the spelling to Kimel. Family accounts say to allow the name to fit on the flour sacks more readily. When Henry died, this son must have been involved in the burial, as Henry is buried with the name Kimel on the gravestone. At least one other son of Henry, my great grandfather, also changed his name to Kimel, and used it all his life. And my grandfather, born with that spelling kept it all his life. However, my dad tired of people mispronouncing his name, and changed the spelling back to Kimmel. Not legally, he just started using the spelling consistently. He even had that spelling used on the gravestone of his father. I see this as some sort of reverse symmetry. The natural order reasserting its self so to speak. I know of at least one living descendant of Henry who still bears the Kimel label. But Kimmel, Kimmell, Kimel or whatever it's all the same. Anyone for one M and two Ls? M. Jay Kimmel PS. Henry is one of the sons of Isaac Kimmel of Coitsville Twp, Mahoning County Ohio. Will be glad to exchange information with any descendant of Isaac. PPS. And no, the M. in my name has nothing to do with one M!

Thanks for the message. All of us double l Kimmells are really special. Eleanor

In a list of 1868 subscribers to a Brethren publication called CHRISTIAN FAMILY COMPANION (this list appears in the FOBG publication BRETHREN ROOTS fall 1999): KIMMELL, G. B., Shelocta, PA. KIMMELL, JOHN M., Levansville, PA. KIMMELL, JONATHAN, Shanksville, PA. KIMMELL, JOSIAH, Stony Creek, PA. KIMMELL, PETER, Shelocta, PA. KIMMELL, SUSAN, New Derry, PA. KIMMELL, TOBIAS, Shelocta, PA. Interesting to me that there are no single L Kimmels listed. Jan T

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DFC1639CB42347D61FAAA046 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------DFC1639CB42347D61FAAA046 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <corgis@fuse.net> Received: from baker198.micron.net ([198.60.253.70]) by webmail.micron.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id FJ2SBS00.5AJ for <wschwart@micron.net>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:09:31 -0600 Return-Path: <corgis@fuse.net> Received: from mismail.micron.net (roll198.micron.net [198.60.253.141]) by baker198.micron.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Mon, 04 Oct 1999 05:09:28 -0600 Received: from mismail.micron.net ([198.60.253.60]) by mismail.micron.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with SMTP id FJ2SBS00.J4M for <wschwart@micron.net>; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 05:09:28 -0600 Return-Path: <corgis@fuse.net> Received: from yamato.fuse.net (yamato-qe0.fuse.net [206.230.21.12]) by delivery01.micron.net with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Mon, 04 Oct 1999 05:09:28 -0600 Received: from gmfoertm (as1-607.fuse.net [216.68.39.99]) by yamato.fuse.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18985; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 06:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01bf0e58$a15e83a0$632744d8@gmfoertm> From: "Gayle Putt" <corgis@fuse.net> To: "Vernon Teaff" <teaffvl@troi.csw.net>, "Timothy W Kimmel" <kimmel@gte.net>, "Shirley Williams" <swilliams@vcnet.com>, "Marie Driskell" <lmdris@lasal.net>, "LeAnn Clark" <ednexus@prodigy.net>, "Joyce Cochran" <cochran@GlobalEyes.net>, "Jo Anne Rowley" <jo_ann_rowley@prodigy.net>, "Jim Burns" <FUNQUEST@prodigy.net>, "Jan Thompkins" <KTompk7744@aol.com>, <hwamsley1@juno.com>, "Duke Castleton" <usnax2@aol.com>, "Carol Dean" <maverick@usroots.com>, "Bruce Robinson" <DBRUCE@prodigy.net>, "Bob Casleton" <bobcas@swbell.net>, "Artie Vallerius" <Cybearval@aol.com>, "Bill Schwartz" <wschwart@micron.net> Subject: Fw: [Fwd: HOOKED ON GENEALOGY] Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:07:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF0E37.17F9CBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-SMTP-HELO: yamato.fuse.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: corgis@fuse.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: yamato-qe0.fuse.net [206.230.21.12] X-SMTP-HELO: mismail.micron.net X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: corgis@fuse.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: roll198.micron.net [198.60.253.141] X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01BF0E37.17F9CBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen Crossfield <Smitty@dcr.net> To: Gayle Putt <corgis@fuse.net> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 1999 4:18 PM Subject: [Fwd: HOOKED ON GENEALOGY] > So right!! 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Thanks, Allan! The book was apparently written about 1996. Army Major Bill Thompson was stationed at Bad Kreuznach at what was then about 1976 and apparently was moved to Hawaii. An undated newspaper account of his research came from Newport News, Virginia. Since he was still stationed there the article was probably mid-1970s. His wife was Marion and they had two sons Steve and Sam then age 10. --Tim ============================= ONE80K@aol.com wrote: > Tim, I have nephew , a retired Sr. Warrant Officer from the Airforce, who > will try to find our Dr. Bill Thompson, through the retiree news. > You shall be the first to know of any success! Regards Allan Kimmell