i am married to a kimmel: jim kimmel. sometime ago i used this link and discovered from tim kimmel the link back to germany for our family. however, over the last few months i have noticed that from all these emails being posted there never seems to be any inquiry on our branch of the family. it makes me skeptical that i have actually found the correct link. if you know of any connection please email me. thanks. johannn phlip kimmel 1756-1830 john kimmel 1789-1870 (married for 2nd time in franklin co missouri) george kimmel 1824-1891 (married in franklin co missouri) george eban (ebon or ebbon) kimmel 1861 - 1903 (died in ill) george william kimmel 1887-1954 (died in mcgee missouri) george mcgee kimmel 1912-1998 james kay kimmel 1946- family located in eastern pa, somerset pa, kentucky, indiana, illinois, missouri and jim was born in michigan in 1946. thanks. liz elliott-kimmel PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 01/07/2000 7:40:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rdunlap@tsf.net writes: > > << Please add to Kimmel Connections list > under Johan Valentin Kimmel (1701-1768): > daughter Maria Veronica (17216-1813) Ruth <rdunlap@tsf.net> >> > > Ruth ~ > Thanks for the update. Do you know the name of Maria's spouse and the names > of their children? Of those children, which one are you descended from? > This is new stuff for me. As you can see, you're our first known Johan > Valentin descendant on this list. It's always fun to fill in the blanks on > another Kimmel line :-) > > ~ Pamela in CA

In a message dated 01/08/2000 9:14:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, alexander.gipp@gmx.de writes: << So at first glance i don`t see the connection to bavaria. >> I'm so sorry. Notice the time I sent the e-mail you referenced (1:24 AM). Most of my brain cells were already asleep! Sometimes I revert back to my old incorrect thinking that ALL of Germany was once referred to as Bavaria. Hope I didn't throw anybody off. ~ Pamela

Yes, the town of Sparta IN was renamed Kimmel in honor of Sen. Orlando Kimmel as I recall, because he was credited with getting the railroad line to their town. We're off to KS this morning so I don't have time to look it all up. Maybe somebody else has better memory/records etc. Jan T

In a message dated 01/07/2000 7:40:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdunlap@tsf.net writes: << Please add to Kimmel Connections list under Johan Valentin Kimmel (1701-1768): daughter Maria Veronica (17216-1813) Ruth <rdunlap@tsf.net> >> Ruth ~ Thanks for the update. Do you know the name of Maria's spouse and the names of their children? Of those children, which one are you descended from? This is new stuff for me. As you can see, you're our first known Johan Valentin descendant on this list. It's always fun to fill in the blanks on another Kimmel line :-) ~ Pamela in CA

Yes, many of the names sound familiar. The information I have is more in the form of an outline than a pedigree. For example, the first person listed has the following info: a. Ludwig KIMMEL Resident of Neukirchen near Fiegenhaim - Born in year 1420. He is listed in 1460 as a house and property owner. He was a house owner until 1485 when he gave the house to his son. He was a property owner until 1494. b. Old Hen KIMMEL Was a resident of Neukirchen, was born 1450, married in 1470. After father-in-law death in 1482 he became property owner. After 1468 he was a house owner in place of Ludwig Kimmel. c. Ludwig KIMMEL Was born in 1464 - was a student in Erfurt in 1482. He was still alive in the year 1544 at the age of 80 years. He was married to Catherene. d. Young Hen KIMMEL Was a student of Neukirchen - born in year 1470, married in 1493 - was house and property owner after 1493. ... This goes on through John Michel KIMMEL Born 1662 in Aeisheim. Died in Gimbsheim in 1734. Resident and juryman in Gimbsheim. Was the originator of the American family tree. Actually, there is a name after John Michel... John George KIMMEL Born 1677 in Gimbsheim and lived in Erich on Rhine. Also, there is a translated letter with a notation that "this document has been in the hands of the Anthony Kimmel family at Mt. Airy, Maryland for some time. Was translated from the German in March, 1933." The letter is to His Excellency, Baron von Fastrow, Military councellor to the Court of His Serene Highness... from Michel Kimmel, a native of Aschbach bailiwick of Heidelberg Aug 1746... If anyone wants the whole thing, I'll send it. Thanks, I haven't seen Tim's website. I would like to look at it. Linda °Ü° On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 23:26:36 EST PamChowdr2@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 01/07/2000 6:33:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, >myflwrs@juno.com writes: > ><< Any suggestions for places to share or knowledge of any ties would >be >WONDERFUL! >> > >Have you checked out our Tim's website? You''ll see alot of familiar >names >here! <A HREF="http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/">Kimmel Family Record >-- Main >Menu</A> > >I don't know tht any definite ties have been made, but most of us >believe >that our Johann Michael was descended from Ludwig, Hen the Elder, Hen >the >Younger, etc. For example, here's what I believe is my Kimmel >lineage: > >Pamela Sue Kimmel, dau of > Edwin Russell Kimmel, son of > Simon Oscar Kimmel, son of > George Thomas Kimmel, son of > Emanuel Kimmel, son of > Joseph Kimmel, son of > Michael Kimmel, son of > Johann Philip Kimmel, son of > Johann Michael Kimmel, son of > Hans Konrad Kummel, son of > Konrad Kummel, son of > Konrad Kummell, son of > Eckhart Kummell, son of > Ludwig Kummell, son of > Heinrich Kummell, son of > Hen der Alt (elder) Kummel, son of > Hen der Yung (younger) Kummel, son of > Ludwig Komel, son of > Dilmanus Komel > >Do any of these names sound familiar to you????????? > > {{{{}}}} > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > > > > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Please don't forget that Solomon Kimmel (1770-1825) was married to Elizabeth Brubaker (1772-1840). The mother of Elizabeth was Anna Musser (1851-abt. 1819). Anna Musser was the sister of John Musser (1746-1828). I am interested in Musser and Kimmel data. These ancestors' families traveled from Lancaster to Somerset County, PA. Donna Knupp

In a message dated 01/07/2000 9:28:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, myflwrs@juno.com writes: << Aug 1746... If anyone wants the whole thing, I'll send it. >> If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you post it to the list? I'm sure there are many here who would be interested. Thanks! ~ Pamela PS: Johann George was the younger brother of Johann Michael.

Please add to Kimmel Connections list under Johan Valentin Kimmel (1701-1768): daughter Maria Veronica (17216-1813) Ruth <rdunlap@tsf.net> RE: Noble Co. Indiana - there is a town named Kimmell in Noble Co. Some Dunlap descendants lived there in the early 1900s and one still does. Their ancestors included the Kimmel line of Johan Valentin Kimmel. Did the town get its name from Kimmel descendants? Ruth

When my great grandmother died, the special trunk with all the family letters, photos, and secrets fell into the possession of her daughter. When she died, it went to my cousin, who kept it in her garage where it was subject to weather, dust, time, and, eventually, theives. Before the theives got to it, I was able to look in and make copies of some of the treasures. One jewel was a set of three legal sized papers entitled "KIMMEL RECORDS." The people mentioned are members of the family tree of the Kimmels who were living in Neukirchen, State of Germany and cover years in the 1400's to the 1600's. I don't know why the papers were in that old trunk. Are they my ancestors? I don't know... There is a large time gap from then until where I leave off my own research on this side of my family. The "notes" are taken from original records by Rudolph Schafer, No. 45 Hugelstrasse No. Hillstr. Darmstadt, Germany and were translated by Erich von Wagner, Duquoin, IL. Rudolph was putting together a family tree in the fall of 1927. Some of the first names include: Ludwig, Old Hen, Young Hen, Rietz, Henry, Ambrose, Lot, Conrad, Jost, Helwig, Daniel, Eberhardt, Rudolph, Jonas,Balthasar, Caspar Milchoir, and others. If these names sound familiar to anyone, I will be happy to share. Is there a German surname or locality list that I can access to share this information? I can't imagine why they would have this information in the family trunk unless it were family -- or very special. Any suggestions for places to share or knowledge of any ties would be WONDERFUL! Thanks! Linda °Ü° ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dear Jan: My Kimmell family lived in Noble County, IN and all of my mother's family (Prickett) still do live there. Albion is the county seat. Anyway I got a newspaper clipping from a friend in Oklahoma City regarding a Kimmel lady who was mugged and dragged by her car as robbers took off. I have inteneded sending it on to you but as my old 5th grade teacher repeated to us "Procrastination is the thief of time." I will get it in the US mule tomorrow. Eleanor Kimmell Roubique KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > I'm interested in your Isaac Kimmel & Anna Musser etc information. My > direct-line ancestor is David Kimmel 1763, the brother, I believe, of your > Isaac. And my husband has Musser ancestry which I expect to somehow someday > tie in with these Mussers who married Kimmels because they were all Brethren > families. ( When you work with a limited gene pool like the Brethren do, I > figure Ken's lines and mine are bound to cross somewhere.) > > The furthest back Musser we can trace for him is Sarah Ann Musser who married > Levi Stump. These folks apparently moved from Ohio to Noble County IN. > Her father is believed to be Israel Musser, and his wife is thought to be > Suba Dalley, but I have no confirmation on any of this. Still, the > combination of Kimmel and Musser names intrigues me, because the Kimmels and > Mussers kept marrying one another, not to mention Croners..... > > Thanks. > > Jan T

In a message dated 01/07/2000 6:33:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, myflwrs@juno.com writes: << Any suggestions for places to share or knowledge of any ties would be WONDERFUL! >> Have you checked out our Tim's website? You''ll see alot of familiar names here! <A HREF="http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/">Kimmel Family Record -- Main Menu</A> I don't know tht any definite ties have been made, but most of us believe that our Johann Michael was descended from Ludwig, Hen the Elder, Hen the Younger, etc. For example, here's what I believe is my Kimmel lineage: Pamela Sue Kimmel, dau of Edwin Russell Kimmel, son of Simon Oscar Kimmel, son of George Thomas Kimmel, son of Emanuel Kimmel, son of Joseph Kimmel, son of Michael Kimmel, son of Johann Philip Kimmel, son of Johann Michael Kimmel, son of Hans Konrad Kummel, son of Konrad Kummel, son of Konrad Kummell, son of Eckhart Kummell, son of Ludwig Kummell, son of Heinrich Kummell, son of Hen der Alt (elder) Kummel, son of Hen der Yung (younger) Kummel, son of Ludwig Komel, son of Dilmanus Komel Do any of these names sound familiar to you????????? {{{{}}}} ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall

I have a couple of corrections to Jan's latest post. My comments are interspersed with hers which are headed with > KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > > Well, I may be the one confused. My David Kimmel 1763 is s/o Philip Kimmel > & Anna Christina Henn. He had a brother named Isaac (also Michael, Conrad, Philip also is in this list. At least this is the traditional listing per the genealogist Dr. H. K. Stoner who worked in the 1920s and 1930s. > Jacob, Abraham, Solomon and sister Elizabeth who m. a Zimmerman). Isaac > --the Isaac Kimmel I'm thinking of, anyway-- was born 1769 in PA , died 1851 > Coitsville OH, and married Anne Musser 1774-1828. The full and correct dates for Isaac Kimmel and Anna Musser are Isaac Kimmel.b. 1769 d. Aug. 27, 1851 and Anna Musser b. 1774 d. Sept. 30, 1858. These death dates are from their gravestones in Coitsville TWP Mahoning Co Ohio. > > Anne Musser 1774-1828 is d/o John Musser and Barbar Kreider. She and Isaac > had at least 12 children . > Stoner's lising only has 11 children, of which the youngest Sarah died in infancy. The others, in order of birth are Elizabeth, Philip, John, Lavina, Henry, Tobias, Mary, Isaac, Anne, Juliann > > Jan T M Jay Kimmel

Good Evening, Kimmel cousins ~ I haven't posted this in while, but since we've had alot of new cousins join the list lately, I thought I'd dredge up our old "Kimmel Konnection" file and re-post it for the newbies. I had to laugh when Alexander asked about the "K�mmel" name, since most of us are descended from that same name in Bavaria. Alexander, you're probably related to 90% of us :-) Anyway, here's the last "Kimmel Konnection" list that I have. If you have any corrections, or if you'd like to add your name to "your" ancestor, please post your lineage to the list and I'll pick it up for our file. Also, if anyone has any suggestions for making our "Kimmel Konnection" list for clear, I'm certainly open to suggestions. I can understand that it may appear muddled to those who aren't well versed in the descendants of our 1662 Johann Michael. {{{{}}}} ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall ************************************** DESCENDANTS OF JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777) Grandson - PHILIP (1724-1796) Gr Grandson - PHILIP: Ann (altond@bunt.com ), Margaret (mlasater@myriad.net) Gr Grandson - JACOB: Charlotte (AppleInn@aol.com), David (CaptDNK@aol.com), Debby (DebbyBliss@aol.com), Debra (Dhummel316@aol.com), Donald (condol@worldnet.att.net), Gloria (snyderg@susqu.edu), Janet (CRGJNT@aol.com), Leslie (leslie62@ix.netcom.com), Pat (Pat125@erols.com), William (wpklhk@aol.com) Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: Janice (JanDevan@cdt.infi.net), Terri (tsteinmetz@jvlnet.com) Gr Grandson - CONRAD: Gr Grandson - DAVID: Jan (KTompk7744@aol.com), Mack (mfox@arcola.k12.il.us), Robert (rbk@napanet.net) Gr Grandson - ABRAHAM: Wendy (Stemplew@wpia.net) Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: Gr Grandson - ISAAC: Carole (bcgott@ix.netcom.com), Jay (mjayk@stny.lrun.com) Gr Grandson - SOLOMON: Brandon (Kimmeld@hotmail.com), Donna (moulder@city-net.com), Harolyn (HSterl2728@aol.com), Janet M (hjmills@wcnet.org) Grandson - NICHOLAS (1728-1804) Gr Grandson - LUDWIG: Gr Granddau - MARGARETHA: Gr Granddau - SUSANNA: Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: Gr Granddau - MARIA: Gr Grandson - DAVID: Carolyn (Cwladaver@aol.com) Gr Grandson - TIMETHEUS: Gr Grandson - CONRAD: Deb (colinmor@ix.netcom.com) Gr Grandson - JOEL: Dick (kimmel@newulmtel.net) Grandson - JACOB (1734-1818) Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: Gr Granddau - ANNAMARIA: Gr Grandson - SAMUEL: Gr Grandson - PHILIP: Gr Granddau - CATHERINE: Grandson - MICHAEL (1736-1818) Gr Grandson - JOHN: Gr Granddau - URSULA: Gr Grandson - JOSEPH: Corliss(missmcq@alaska.net), Ernest (ekimmel@ets.org), Joe (Kimmeljfk@aol.com), Martin (goose-2@webtv.com) Pamela (PamChowdr2@aol.com), William K (Kimmel@socket.net) Gr Grandson - JONAS: Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: Grandson - GEORGE (1743-1818) Gr Grandson - PETER: Jason (jubil@stinet.com) Gr Granddau - CATHERINE: Gayle (Corgis@fuse.net), Tom (fircom@isoc.net), Willi am (wschwart@micron.net) Gr Grandson - GEORGE: Gr Granddau - SUSANNAH: Gr Grandson - HENRY: Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: Gr Granddau - MAGDALENA: Gr Granddau - JULIANA: Grandson - ANTHONY (1745-1817) Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: Gr Granddau - MARGARET: Gr Granddau - MARY: Gr Granddau - CATHERINE: Gr Granddau - HESTER: Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: Gr Granddau - ANNA: Gr Grandson - ANTHONY (Gen.): Gr Granddau - Lydia: ********************************************************************** SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768) Grandson - PHILIP (1732- ) Gr Grandson - SAMUEL: Gr Granddau - SUZANNA: ******************************************************************** SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784) Gr Son - ADAM (1729-1778) Gr Granddau - JULIANA JUSTINA: Peggy (pproctor@TCTC.com) Gr Grandson - JACOB: Linda (koharski@sunlink.net), Louis (winnilou@aol.com), Warren (WEKIML@aol.com) Gr Grandson - JOSEPH: John (jokimmel@psci.net), Sue (Bricker760@aol.com) Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: Allan (ONE80K@aol.com)

Well, I may be the one confused. My David Kimmel 1763 is s/o Philip Kimmel & Anna Christina Henn. He had a brother named Isaac (also Michael, Conrad, Jacob, Abraham, Solomon and sister Elizabeth who m. a Zimmerman). Isaac --the Isaac Kimmel I'm thinking of, anyway-- was born 1769 in PA , died 1851 Coitsville OH, and married Anne Musser 1774-1828. Anne Musser 1774-1828 is d/o John Musser and Barbar Kreider. She and Isaac had at least 12 children . Sarah Kimmel who married Dr. Peter C. Musser, is d/o Ludwig & Salome Cable Kimmel, according to my records. Sarah Kimmel Musser lived 1828-1859 and wound up in Lewis Co. WV. She was first wife. 2d was Eliza A Bond. Peter Musser 1826-1906 was s/o Tobias Musser and Susanna Croner. And if I have the details right, his grandparents were John & Barbara Kreider Musser. Susanna Croner, Peter Musser's mother, was a d/o Elder John Groner and wife Magdalena. Susanna Croner, thus, was a sister of Barbara Croner who married David Kimmel 1763. We were obviously working with a limited gene pool here! (On the other hand, Ken has two first cousins --sisters--who married an uncle and nephew. Which I think means that Norma's sister is her niece by marriage, and Russell's nephew is his brother-in-law.) Jan T

Jan T. Am I following this thread correctly. We now have three of us interested in this line. Were Isaac, Sarah, and David all children of Ludwig and Sarah Cable Kimmel? As with most lines, the repeated use of given names in each generation can certainly confused me. I also want to take a minute to thank everyone on this List that has helped me find all my Kimmel information. Without you, I would still be looking for my great grandmother Sarah. It took Tim to realize I was using Sarah's marriage date (to Henry Kiser) as her birthdate. Many thanks to all, Pat-T

I would be interested as well since I connect to Kimmel & Stump. Perhaps you could post some to the list. Thanks. Gloria > ---------- > From: KTompk7744@aol.com[SMTP:KTompk7744@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 8:43 PM > To: KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KIMMEL] Isaac Kimmel and Anna Musser, Tobias Kimmel > > I'm interested in your Isaac Kimmel & Anna Musser etc information. My > direct-line ancestor is David Kimmel 1763, the brother, I believe, of your > > Isaac. And my husband has Musser ancestry which I expect to somehow > someday > tie in with these Mussers who married Kimmels because they were all > Brethren > families. ( When you work with a limited gene pool like the Brethren do, > I > figure Ken's lines and mine are bound to cross somewhere.) > > The furthest back Musser we can trace for him is Sarah Ann Musser who > married > Levi Stump. These folks apparently moved from Ohio to Noble County IN. > > Her father is believed to be Israel Musser, and his wife is thought to be > Suba Dalley, but I have no confirmation on any of this. Still, the > combination of Kimmel and Musser names intrigues me, because the Kimmels > and > Mussers kept marrying one another, not to mention Croners..... > > Thanks. > > Jan T >

Hi All, New list member, definitely not new to the web, but haven't worked on my genealogy for a while. Am working on updating my records and getting my web info updated. Anyway, I do have extensive information on Isaac Kimmel (m. Anna Musser), as well as some of their children, including Tobias Kimmel, who was my ggg-grandfather and many of their descendents. Isaac and Tobias and their families resided in and were buried in Coitsville, Mahoning Cty, Ohio. I am working on verifying my information with actual records, as I've seen some descrepancies compared to my old family notes. Let me know if you're interested in more of this information, and/or if any one else out there has related information. Thanks! Melanie Moser red@fkfanfic.com

I'm interested in your Isaac Kimmel & Anna Musser etc information. My direct-line ancestor is David Kimmel 1763, the brother, I believe, of your Isaac. And my husband has Musser ancestry which I expect to somehow someday tie in with these Mussers who married Kimmels because they were all Brethren families. ( When you work with a limited gene pool like the Brethren do, I figure Ken's lines and mine are bound to cross somewhere.) The furthest back Musser we can trace for him is Sarah Ann Musser who married Levi Stump. These folks apparently moved from Ohio to Noble County IN. Her father is believed to be Israel Musser, and his wife is thought to be Suba Dalley, but I have no confirmation on any of this. Still, the combination of Kimmel and Musser names intrigues me, because the Kimmels and Mussers kept marrying one another, not to mention Croners..... Thanks. Jan T

Sure these are the couple who lived in Coitsville TWP in Mahoning Co Ohio. Anna, daughter of John and Barbara Musser was a sister to Tobias Musser who married Susanna Croner. Isaac Kimmel b.1769 d. 1851 is one of the sons of Philip Kimmel of Somerset PA. A descendant of Isaac and Anna. M. Jay Kimmel

Hello, i know this list is for the American Kimmel family, but perhaps someone can help me. I am looking for any information on the name Kümmel, especially in southern germany( more exactly Bavaria/Franconia). Thanks for any support. Alexander Gipp