----- Original Message ----- From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 1:03 AM Subject: [KIMMEL] Starting Over Again > Well, cousins. I've been deluged with so many e-mails from the list asking > me to correct e-mail addresses, delete so-and-so from a particular Kimmel > ancestor, add so-and-so to a particular ancestor, etc. that I decided to > start over again from scratch. Afterall, the last list was collected over 6 > months ago and we now have 115 folks on this list. Many of you joined after > the last list was put together and apparently alot of you have made some > corrections to your lines. So, With Johann Michael (1662-1734) being > "generation one", please share with the list which child of Johann Michael > you are descended from. His children will be designated as "generation two." > Just reply by doing a "copy and paste" of your particular ancestor and add > your first name and e-mail address underneath. I'll comply the responses > into one list. Thanks for your time and thanks especially for the patience > of those who have been through this exercise already :-) > > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > > (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): > Pat Thompson pat125@erols.com > (2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > > (2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): > > (2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): > > (2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): > > (2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764): > >

Please remove this email address from your mail listing!!! My sister used to use this for her email and now she has her own email address (kittycat@access.mountain.net). Please forward information to her!!! At 08:06 AM 1/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >Some years ago when it was believed every American Kimmel just HAD to be related >to Johann Michael of Gimbsheim, there was the conjecture that the Johann Jacob >who came to Philadelphia in 1750 and died near Orwigsburg, PA in 1793 was a son >of Johann Michael's brother Johann Georg. > >Alsheim and Eich church records (those on microfilm in Salt Lake City) don't show >that Johann Georg had a son Johann Jacob. He had at least three wives: Maria >Salome who died in 1722, Anna Maria (last name illegible) whom he married in >Alsheim in 1722 and who died in 1737 in Eich, and Anna Maria Dorothea Maüer >(there's that "Alt 129" letter ü again) whom he married at Alsheim in 1741 and by >whom his son Rudolph was born in Eich in 1742. Christoph and Johannes who raised >their families in Eich were probably also his sons, by his first wife. >Christoph's third known wife got her permit to emigrate out of the Palatinate in >1764. Did she go to America? Did she take any of the children? I haven't found >any evidence yet. > >--Tim in Fort Wayne >========================== > >PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > >> Tim, I was just browsing through the Ancestral File at www.familysearch.org >> and I noticed that someone submitted info that Johann George, the brother of >> Johann Michael, had a son named Johann Jacob, who was born in Germany abt >> 1720 an died in PA abt 1793. Is this the same Johann Jacob that you have >> listed as "AA" in your lineage summary? Who knows if the submitter actually >> has any evidence to back up the connection, but it's the first time I've seen >> any descendants listed for the brother of Johann Michael. >> >> ~ Pamela > > >

At some point and time my sister was using my email address and requested information---she now has her own email (kittycat@access.mountain.net); please forward all email regarding geneology to her at her new address. Remove this email from your mailing list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At 08:06 AM 1/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >Some years ago when it was believed every American Kimmel just HAD to be related >to Johann Michael of Gimbsheim, there was the conjecture that the Johann Jacob >who came to Philadelphia in 1750 and died near Orwigsburg, PA in 1793 was a son >of Johann Michael's brother Johann Georg. > >Alsheim and Eich church records (those on microfilm in Salt Lake City) don't show >that Johann Georg had a son Johann Jacob. He had at least three wives: Maria >Salome who died in 1722, Anna Maria (last name illegible) whom he married in >Alsheim in 1722 and who died in 1737 in Eich, and Anna Maria Dorothea Maüer >(there's that "Alt 129" letter ü again) whom he married at Alsheim in 1741 and by >whom his son Rudolph was born in Eich in 1742. Christoph and Johannes who raised >their families in Eich were probably also his sons, by his first wife. >Christoph's third known wife got her permit to emigrate out of the Palatinate in >1764. Did she go to America? Did she take any of the children? I haven't found >any evidence yet. > >--Tim in Fort Wayne >========================== > >PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > >> Tim, I was just browsing through the Ancestral File at www.familysearch.org >> and I noticed that someone submitted info that Johann George, the brother of >> Johann Michael, had a son named Johann Jacob, who was born in Germany abt >> 1720 an died in PA abt 1793. Is this the same Johann Jacob that you have >> listed as "AA" in your lineage summary? Who knows if the submitter actually >> has any evidence to back up the connection, but it's the first time I've seen >> any descendants listed for the brother of Johann Michael. >> >> ~ Pamela > > >

Some years ago when it was believed every American Kimmel just HAD to be related to Johann Michael of Gimbsheim, there was the conjecture that the Johann Jacob who came to Philadelphia in 1750 and died near Orwigsburg, PA in 1793 was a son of Johann Michael's brother Johann Georg. Alsheim and Eich church records (those on microfilm in Salt Lake City) don't show that Johann Georg had a son Johann Jacob. He had at least three wives: Maria Salome who died in 1722, Anna Maria (last name illegible) whom he married in Alsheim in 1722 and who died in 1737 in Eich, and Anna Maria Dorothea Maüer (there's that "Alt 129" letter ü again) whom he married at Alsheim in 1741 and by whom his son Rudolph was born in Eich in 1742. Christoph and Johannes who raised their families in Eich were probably also his sons, by his first wife. Christoph's third known wife got her permit to emigrate out of the Palatinate in 1764. Did she go to America? Did she take any of the children? I haven't found any evidence yet. --Tim in Fort Wayne ========================== PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > Tim, I was just browsing through the Ancestral File at www.familysearch.org > and I noticed that someone submitted info that Johann George, the brother of > Johann Michael, had a son named Johann Jacob, who was born in Germany abt > 1720 an died in PA abt 1793. Is this the same Johann Jacob that you have > listed as "AA" in your lineage summary? Who knows if the submitter actually > has any evidence to back up the connection, but it's the first time I've seen > any descendants listed for the brother of Johann Michael. > > ~ Pamela

Seems as I sent it to myself! Really in a fog! Is this what you wanted? I am in a fog???! Philip Kimmel (1775-1867) Benjamin Kimmel (1811-1864) Mary Ann Kimmell(1834-1906?) Spelling according to marriage license James Harrison Hays(1867-1958) Sina Gladys Hays-Rolfing (1900-1982)

Is this what you wanted? I am in a fog???! Philip Kimmel (1775-1867) Benjamin Kimmel (1811-1864) Mary Ann Kimmell(1834-1906?) Spelling according to marriage license James Harrison Hays(1867-1958) Sina Gladys Hays-Rolfing (1900-1982)

(1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): (3) SON - PHILIP (1724-1796) (4) SON - JACOB (1757-1824) (5) SON - JONATHAN (1798-1878) (6) SON - NOAH M. (1832-1876) (7) DAUGHTER - MARY ELLEN (1857-1910) Last fall I discovered who Mary Ellen's sisters married. Susannah Elizabeth "Lizzie" Kimmel married John K. Baker on 28 Nov 1885 in Richardson Co., NE (she was his second wife). Lizzie died in 1917 and is buried in Maple cemetery in Salem Twp., Richardson Co., NE. The other sister, Catherine Jane "Jennie" Kimmel married Harvey Alvin Babst on 19 Dec 1889 in Falls City, Richardson Co., NE. Jennie died on 26 Mar 1931 in Geneva, Fillmore Co., NE. I also learned that their mother Catherine Miller (wife of Noah M. Kimmel) died in Geneva, Fillmore Co., NE, though she is buried in Morrill cemetery, Morrill, Brown Co., KS. Recently I've learned more about their brother Joseph F. Kimmel's family, from some obituaries sent to me by a relative of Joseph's wife. Debby Bliss DebbyBliss@aol.com

To type u with an umlaut hold the Alt button down and type "129" with the number pad. When you release the Alt button "ü" should appear. Capital Ü is "154" with the Alt button. --Tim ========================== kimel@fsheb2.hep.fsu.edu wrote: > Hi Linda, > > Thanks for sending this to all of us. I really appreciate it. > > By the way, how do you insert a u(umlaut) in your e-mail? Tim Kimmel seems > to be able to do that too. > > Dan Kimel >

Hi Linda, Thanks for sending this to all of us. I really appreciate it. By the way, how do you insert a u(umlaut) in your e-mail? Tim Kimmel seems to be able to do that too. Dan Kimel At 06:45 PM 1/9/2000 -0700, you wrote: > Hi! I will send one page at a time for those who are >interested, and I will type them exactly as they are on >the page. Linda °Ü° > >1- The following notes taken from original records by Rudolph >Shafer, No. 45 Hugelstrasse No. Hillstr. Darmstadt, Germany and >translated by Erich von Wagner, Duquoin, Illinois, show the presence >of the Kimmell family from the year 1408, in Germany. The connection >of the various individuals shown is not definitely given. This will have > >to be determilned by further research. > >2- The followilng students in Efurt are shown in the records as being >from >Neukirchen: >1408-Dilmaunus Kimmel >1425-Michael Kimmel > >3- The family tree of the Kimmell family living in Neukirchen, State of >Germany was put together in Darmstadt, Germany in the fall of 1927 >by Rudolph Schafer. > >a. Ludwig Kimmel >Resident of Neukirchen near Fiegenhaim- Born in year 1420. >He is listed in 1460 as a house and property owner. He was >a house owner until 1485 when he gave the house to his son. He >was a property owner until 1494. > >b. Old Hen Kimlmel >Was a resident of Neukirchen, was born 1450, >married in 1470. After father-in-laws death in 1482 he became a property >owner. After 1468 he was a house owner in place of Ludwig >Kimmel. > >c. Ludwig Kimmel >Was born in 1464- was a student in Erfurt in 1482. He was still >alive in the year 1544 at the age of 80 years. He was married to >Catherene. > >d. Young Hen Kimmel >Was a student of Neukirchen- born in year 1470, married in 1493- >was house and property owner after 1493. > >e. Rietz Kimmel >Born 1484 and resided in Neukirchen in 1544 where he was Mayor >and veil maker. > >f. Henry Kimmel >Born 1493, was a student in Eufurt in --- Was married in 1515. >Resided in Neukirchen where he was a mill owner and >served as Mayor in 1556. He was still living in 1569 and >his wife was still living in 1580. > >g. Ambrose Kimmel >Born in the year 1500- was a property owner and a resident of >Neuirchen, from 1556 to 1579 > >h. Ludwig Kimmel >Was a resident and a mill owner in Neukirchen, Married >in 1536 and was listed as a property owner from 1556 to 1579. > >i. Henry Kimmel >Was a resident of Neukirchen where he was born in the year >1520. He became a property owner in 1556 and had a daughter >who married Curt Schungh in 1579. > >j. Lot Kimmel >Born in Neukirchen in 1530 and died in 1610. Still registered as >property owner in 1591. He had three daughters. > >k. Conrad Kimmel >Born in 1536. Married Anna in 1573. Was a resident of Neukirchen. >Was Registrator of the Cabinet of Governor Wilhein von Hessen and >Treasurer in Cassel. > >(End of page one) >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >

Well, there is page one! I think it is interesting even though I don't know if or how I connect! (I think I must be truly my grandmother's granddaughter -- a pack rat. I've had these papers for many years. and I am so glad to share them with you!) On this grandma's side of the family, I have only 2 names to trace -- both of which are connected with Germany/Prussia. They are: SPRINZ & FERNER (first names of Pauline, Samuel & Bernard used often.) Do either of these names look familiar to anyone? Will try to send Page Two soon. Your friend, Linda °Ü° ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Tim, I was just browsing through the Ancestral File at www.familysearch.org and I noticed that someone submitted info that Johann George, the brother of Johann Michael, had a son named Johann Jacob, who was born in Germany abt 1720 an died in PA abt 1793. Is this the same Johann Jacob that you have listed as "AA" in your lineage summary? Who knows if the submitter actually has any evidence to back up the connection, but it's the first time I've seen any descendants listed for the brother of Johann Michael. ~ Pamela

Hi! I will send one page at a time for those who are interested, and I will type them exactly as they are on the page. Linda °Ü° 1- The following notes taken from original records by Rudolph Shafer, No. 45 Hugelstrasse No. Hillstr. Darmstadt, Germany and translated by Erich von Wagner, Duquoin, Illinois, show the presence of the Kimmell family from the year 1408, in Germany. The connection of the various individuals shown is not definitely given. This will have to be determilned by further research. 2- The followilng students in Efurt are shown in the records as being from Neukirchen: 1408-Dilmaunus Kimmel 1425-Michael Kimmel 3- The family tree of the Kimmell family living in Neukirchen, State of Germany was put together in Darmstadt, Germany in the fall of 1927 by Rudolph Schafer. a. Ludwig Kimmel Resident of Neukirchen near Fiegenhaim- Born in year 1420. He is listed in 1460 as a house and property owner. He was a house owner until 1485 when he gave the house to his son. He was a property owner until 1494. b. Old Hen Kimlmel Was a resident of Neukirchen, was born 1450, married in 1470. After father-in-laws death in 1482 he became a property owner. After 1468 he was a house owner in place of Ludwig Kimmel. c. Ludwig Kimmel Was born in 1464- was a student in Erfurt in 1482. He was still alive in the year 1544 at the age of 80 years. He was married to Catherene. d. Young Hen Kimmel Was a student of Neukirchen- born in year 1470, married in 1493- was house and property owner after 1493. e. Rietz Kimmel Born 1484 and resided in Neukirchen in 1544 where he was Mayor and veil maker. f. Henry Kimmel Born 1493, was a student in Eufurt in --- Was married in 1515. Resided in Neukirchen where he was a mill owner and served as Mayor in 1556. He was still living in 1569 and his wife was still living in 1580. g. Ambrose Kimmel Born in the year 1500- was a property owner and a resident of Neuirchen, from 1556 to 1579 h. Ludwig Kimmel Was a resident and a mill owner in Neukirchen, Married in 1536 and was listed as a property owner from 1556 to 1579. i. Henry Kimmel Was a resident of Neukirchen where he was born in the year 1520. He became a property owner in 1556 and had a daughter who married Curt Schungh in 1579. j. Lot Kimmel Born in Neukirchen in 1530 and died in 1610. Still registered as property owner in 1591. He had three daughters. k. Conrad Kimmel Born in 1536. Married Anna in 1573. Was a resident of Neukirchen. Was Registrator of the Cabinet of Governor Wilhein von Hessen and Treasurer in Cassel. (End of page one) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 01/09/2000 10:04:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, PamChowdr2@aol.com writes: << I'll comply the responses into one list. >> Whoops! I meant "compile" :-)

Well, cousins. I've been deluged with so many e-mails from the list asking me to correct e-mail addresses, delete so-and-so from a particular Kimmel ancestor, add so-and-so to a particular ancestor, etc. that I decided to start over again from scratch. Afterall, the last list was collected over 6 months ago and we now have 115 folks on this list. Many of you joined after the last list was put together and apparently alot of you have made some corrections to your lines. So, With Johann Michael (1662-1734) being "generation one", please share with the list which child of Johann Michael you are descended from. His children will be designated as "generation two." Just reply by doing a "copy and paste" of your particular ancestor and add your first name and e-mail address underneath. I'll comply the responses into one list. Thanks for your time and thanks especially for the patience of those who have been through this exercise already :-) (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): (2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): (2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): (2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): (2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): (2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764):

In a message dated 01/09/2000 7:42:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, kimel@fsheb2.hep.fsu.edu writes: << By the way, how do you insert a u(umlaut) in your e-mail? Tim Kimmel seems to be able to do that too. >> With your numbers in "lock" position, hold down your Alt key and then press numbers 1, 2, and 9. There may be an easier way, but that's the only way I know how to do it. ~ Pamela

Following "Some Kimmel Records" where Linda mentions in her Jan. 7 e-mail that she has some notes taken from Rudolf Shafer's research. - --------------------------------------- Rudolf Shafer was commissioned by some American genealogists in the 1920's to find out what he could on the Kimmels out of Gimbsheim. Howard E. Kimmel of DuQuoin, Illinois was one of those who got papers from him in 1927. I've seen references to Shafer's work, but never found any copies of his actual research. The list of names isn't an actual lineage--you'll see they aren't in chronological order. They are a collection of miscellaneous records that Shafer had come across that were probably related, although Shafer didn't appear to know exactly how. There is a source to find out how most are related. Most of the names appear in a book called "Die Geschlechterbuch," an annual volume of German family ancestry. A Dr. Hermann Kümmell actually put most of them together and reported it in volume 66 (1929) of the collection. If you have access to a library with a German genealogical collection, it would probably be there. The text is in German but you can figure the lineage out without knowing the language. Hermann Kümmel's entry is what I use as my source for the Johann-Michael-to-Dilmanus Kimmel lineage. What Linda has could be very useful. Shafer studied local Gimbsheim records. We could learn some about what family researcher Dr. H. K. Stoner was working with to come up with his family history because Shafer was one of his sources. I'm very interested in getting copies. --Tim (the one with the web site Pamela mentioned)

Pam; Could you change my E-Mail address from One80k@AOL.Com to Once80k@cjnetworks.com ? Thanks, Allan Kimmell ----- Original Message ----- From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 4:24 PM Subject: [KIMMEL] Our "Kimmel Konnections" revisited > Good Evening, Kimmel cousins ~ > I haven't posted this in while, but since we've had alot of new cousins join > the list lately, I thought I'd dredge up our old "Kimmel Konnection" file and > re-post it for the newbies. I had to laugh when Alexander asked about the > "Kümmel" name, since most of us are descended from that same name in Bavaria. > Alexander, you're probably related to 90% of us :-) Anyway, here's the last > "Kimmel Konnection" list that I have. If you have any corrections, or if > you'd like to add your name to "your" ancestor, please post your lineage to > the list and I'll pick it up for our file. Also, if anyone has any > suggestions for making our "Kimmel Konnection" list for clear, I'm certainly > open to suggestions. I can understand that it may appear muddled to those > who aren't well versed in the descendants of our 1662 Johann Michael. > > {{{{}}}} > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > ************************************** > DESCENDANTS OF JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > > SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777) > Grandson - PHILIP (1724-1796) > Gr Grandson - PHILIP: Ann (altond@bunt.com ), Margaret (mlasater@myriad.net) > > Gr Grandson - JACOB: Charlotte (AppleInn@aol.com), David > (CaptDNK@aol.com), Debby (DebbyBliss@aol.com), Debra (Dhummel316@aol.com), > Donald (condol@worldnet.att.net), Gloria (snyderg@susqu.edu), Janet > (CRGJNT@aol.com), Leslie (leslie62@ix.netcom.com), Pat (Pat125@erols.com), > William (wpklhk@aol.com) > > Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: Janice (JanDevan@cdt.infi.net), Terri > (tsteinmetz@jvlnet.com) > > Gr Grandson - CONRAD: > > Gr Grandson - DAVID: Jan (KTompk7744@aol.com), Mack (mfox@arcola.k12.il.us), > Robert (rbk@napanet.net) > > Gr Grandson - ABRAHAM: Wendy (Stemplew@wpia.net) > > Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: > > Gr Grandson - ISAAC: Carole (bcgott@ix.netcom.com), Jay (mjayk@stny.lrun.com) > > Gr Grandson - SOLOMON: Brandon (Kimmeld@hotmail.com), Donna > (moulder@city-net.com), Harolyn (HSterl2728@aol.com), Janet M > (hjmills@wcnet.org) > > Grandson - NICHOLAS (1728-1804) > Gr Grandson - LUDWIG: > Gr Granddau - MARGARETHA: > Gr Granddau - SUSANNA: > Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: > Gr Granddau - MARIA: > Gr Grandson - DAVID: Carolyn (Cwladaver@aol.com) > Gr Grandson - TIMETHEUS: > Gr Grandson - CONRAD: Deb (colinmor@ix.netcom.com) > Gr Grandson - JOEL: Dick (kimmel@newulmtel.net) > > Grandson - JACOB (1734-1818) > Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: > Gr Granddau - ANNAMARIA: > Gr Grandson - SAMUEL: > Gr Grandson - PHILIP: > Gr Granddau - CATHERINE: > > Grandson - MICHAEL (1736-1818) > Gr Grandson - JOHN: > Gr Granddau - URSULA: > > Gr Grandson - JOSEPH: Corliss(missmcq@alaska.net), Ernest > (ekimmel@ets.org), Joe (Kimmeljfk@aol.com), Martin (goose-2@webtv.com) Pamela > (PamChowdr2@aol.com), William K (Kimmel@socket.net) > > Gr Grandson - JONAS: > Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: > > Grandson - GEORGE (1743-1818) > Gr Grandson - PETER: Jason (jubil@stinet.com) > > Gr Granddau - CATHERINE: Gayle (Corgis@fuse.net), Tom (fircom@isoc.net), Willi > am (wschwart@micron.net) > > Gr Grandson - GEORGE: > Gr Granddau - SUSANNAH: > Gr Grandson - HENRY: > Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: > Gr Granddau - MAGDALENA: > Gr Granddau - JULIANA: > > Grandson - ANTHONY (1745-1817) > Gr Granddau - ELIZABETH: > Gr Granddau - MARGARET: > Gr Granddau - MARY: > Gr Granddau - CATHERINE: > Gr Granddau - HESTER: > Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: > Gr Granddau - ANNA: > Gr Grandson - ANTHONY (Gen.): > Gr Granddau - Lydia: > > ********************************************************************** > SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768) > Grandson - PHILIP (1732- ) > Gr Grandson - SAMUEL: > Gr Granddau - SUZANNA: > > ******************************************************************** > SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784) > Gr Son - ADAM (1729-1778) > Gr Granddau - JULIANA JUSTINA: Peggy (pproctor@TCTC.com) > > Gr Grandson - JACOB: Linda (koharski@sunlink.net), Louis (winnilou@aol.com), > Warren (WEKIML@aol.com) > > Gr Grandson - JOSEPH: John (jokimmel@psci.net), Sue (Bricker760@aol.com) > > Gr Grandson - MICHAEL: Allan (ONE80K@aol.com) > > >

In a message dated 01/08/2000 8:26:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, ejek@digitalabs.net writes: << over the last few months i have noticed that from all these emails being posted there never seems to be any inquiry on our branch of the family. it makes me skeptical that i have actually found the correct link. if you know of any connection please email me. >> According to Tim's website, it looks like you have the correct connection. Here's what he shows: AC-BA -- Johann Philip -- 1756 -- PA -- 1830 -- KY -- Drusilla Penrod -- Rachel Martin (Stump) -- Anna Lovelace (Hester) AC-BAF -- John -- 1789c -- PA -- xxxx -- xx -- Mary Ann Shroad -- Martha A. Tapley -- res MO AC-BAFF -- George C. -- 1824c -- IN -- xxxx -- xx -- Mahala Blevins AC-BAFFB -- George Ebon -- 1861 -- MO -- 1903 -- IL -- Nancy Ann Griner AC-BAFFBB -- George William -- 1887 -- IL -- 1957 -- MO -- Emma Josephine McGee There are at least 2 other people on this list who are descended from your 1756 Johann Philip. There could be others who haven't "stepped forward" yet :-) ~ Pamela in CA

At 10:38 AM 1/5/00 EST, you wrote: >Hi Pat,Hi iam nicole> >I'm glad my old posting was useful to you. The holidays are probably why >people haven't sent messages for a while. Postings have been down on all the >lists I'm on. Everything you posted fits with what I have, except I couldn't >figure out which Isaac Kimmel you were reffering to. > >Debby >

Hello Pamela and anybody, I always thouht that most of the American Kimmels are descending from that Gimbsheim Line which then goes further back to Hessia. So at first glance i don`t see the connection to bavaria. To get an impression on my Kuemmel(umlaut) Family here`s my lineage to my oldest known ancestor: Alexander Gipp Gertraud Kuemmel Franz-Xaver Kuemmel 1921 Johann Andreas Kuemmel 1883 Maria Margaretha Christina Kuemmel 1860 Johann Friedrich Karl Kuemmel 1814 Johann Adam Kuemmel 1784 Johann Kaspar Kuemmel 1759 Jobst Kuemmel(maybe Johann Sebastian) from 1921-1784 born in Repperndorf, about 20 km to Wuerzburg, lower franconia, Bavaria, Germany 1759 born in Burgambach, about 40 km to Wuerzburg So far I have knowledge of 105 Kuemmel named descandants of Jobst. Does anyone has connections to this region? Alexander Gipp ----- Original Message ----- From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 1:24 AM Subject: [KIMMEL] Our "Kimmel Konnections" revisited > Good Evening, Kimmel cousins ~ > I haven't posted this in while, but since we've had alot of new cousins join > the list lately, I thought I'd dredge up our old "Kimmel Konnection" file and > re-post it for the newbies. I had to laugh when Alexander asked about the > "Kümmel" name, since most of us are descended from that same name in Bavaria. > Alexander, you're probably related to 90% of us :-) Anyway, here's the last > "Kimmel Konnection" list that I have. If you have any corrections, or if > you'd like to add your name to "your" ancestor, please post your lineage to > the list and I'll pick it up for our file. Also, if anyone has any > suggestions for making our "Kimmel Konnection" list for clear, I'm certainly > open to suggestions. I can understand that it may appear muddled to those > who aren't well versed in the descendants of our 1662 Johann Michael.