Hi! Simon FERNER born ca 1829, Prussia; md ca 1856, NY?; d.Nov 1886, Los Angeles, CA He was married to: Ricka SPRINZ, born 17 May 1835-39, Prussia; d.11 Feb 1931, El Paso, TX Ricka's father: Samuel SPRINZ, born 1821, Germany; His father was Bernard. I don't know if they married Kimmels or not. (: They are my only German lines so far -- my others are Scandinavian & British Isles. ) So, I'm wondering, how did your Kimmels get in Gramma's trunk? Do they connect to these SPRINZ & FERNER families? Can't see how yet. And... to color things a little more... We don't know who my father's real father was. ( Grandma was quite a lively lady, and she wasn't telling anything!) Could it be that the father of her child was the one who left the Kimmel notes? My suspisions as to my father's parentage actually lean in another direction, so I'm not sure what to think. I have a semi-readable sample of handwriting in a copy of a letter written by a man who is sending my grandmother money for her son's support. Can't read the signature, though. I think he's getting a little smashed as the letter progresses. The writing deteriorates by the third page. I guess perseverence is the key... Anyway, I will try to send the next Kimmel notes page tomorrow. I wish your Berhard were mine, but I don't sink so. (: Linda °Ü° On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:05:53 -0800 Bill and Patty Coleman <coleman@cuer.laneta.apc.org> writes: >Hi from Mexico, Linda and thanks so much for sharing all this >information >with the KIMMEL list. > >I have a question. In what time period are your SPRINZ and FERNER >ancestors? I do have a BERHARD KIMEL, my 4-g grandfather in NC. Was it >BERNHARD by chance? > >Patty > >At 07:13 PM 1/9/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Well, there is page one! I think it is interesting even >>though I don't know if or how I connect! (I think I >>must be truly my grandmother's granddaughter -- >>a pack rat. I've had these papers for many years. >>and I am so glad to share them with you!) >> >>On this grandma's side of the family, I have only 2 names >>to trace -- both of which are connected with >>Germany/Prussia. They are: >> >>SPRINZ & FERNER (first names of Pauline, Samuel & Bernard >> used often.) >> >>Do either of these names look familiar to anyone? >> >>Will try to send Page Two soon. >> >>Your friend, >> >> Linda °Ü° >>________________________________________________________________ >>YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >>Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >>Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >> >> >> > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi. I don't get the newsletter. Would you send it to me at 22 Willow Street, Mystic, CT 06355.... Thanks, Patty Coleman in Mexico At 05:50 PM 1/10/00 EST, you wrote: >Hi! The newsletter went out today (at last) even though it says it's the >December issue Now all I've got to do is 1099s and payroll tax reports etc. >before the end of the month. Plus a house plan for a rental house to be >started next week..... > >When I saw this note, though, knew I had to respond. William James Kimmel >is in my data base, thank you, as the adopted son of Louis H. and Margaret >Edmonds Kimmel. He and his sister were taken from the Orphan Train in 1911 >by the Kimmels.. Their actual surname was Potthoff. I had wanted to >re-establish contact with these Kimmels and knew we did not yet have them on >our mailing list for KFN. Some of William's adopted siblings are still >living but did not have addresses for William's children. We also have the >granddaughter of William's sister, Connie DePasquale, on our mailing list. > >Several years ago Kimmel Family news ran an article on William James and the >Orphan train connection, and we do have some photos of him included. I'd be >happy to send a copy to Nicole, and we'd like to add her to our KFN mailing >list. > >Jan Tompkins > > > > >

Not surprisingly, nearly everyone who has "checked in" is a descendant of Johann Phillip. Here's what I have so far, but it's certainly never too late to claim "your" Kimmel ancestor. PLEASE share with us . . . (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): Pamela (PamChowdr2@aol.com), Pat (pat125@erols.com), Debby (DebbyBliss@aol.com), Deb (Colinmor@ix.netcom.com), Robert B (rbk@napanet.net), Gloria (snyderg@susqu.edu), Jay (plainj@ieee.org), Janene (JaneneSM@aol.com), Teresa (cdessell@bellsouth.net), Brenda (bdavy@mindspring.com), Jesse (jespat@lcworkshop.com), LL (LLRICH1144@aol.com), Ann (altond@bunt.com), Margaret (mlasater@myriad.net), Charlotte (AppleInn@aol.com), David (CaptDNK@aol.com), Debra (DHummel316@aol.com), Donald (condol@worldnet.att.net), Janet (CRGJNT@aol.com), Leslie (leslie62@ix.netcom.com), William (WPKLHK@aol.com), Jan (KTompk7744@aol.com) (2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): (2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): Dan/Ruth (rdunlap@tsf.net), (2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): (2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): Eleanor (crobic@dnvr.uswest.net), Peggy (pproctor@tctc.com), Linda (Koharski@sunlink.net), Louis (winnilou@aol.com) (2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764):

Well, Dan, as usual, I'm the different one... Try alt 666... ºÜº ºÜº ºÜº ºüº On Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:39:58 -0500 kimel@fsheb2.hep.fsu.edu writes: >Hi Linda, > >Thanks for sending this to all of us. I really appreciate it. > >By the way, how do you insert a u(umlaut) in your e-mail? Tim Kimmel >seems >to be able to do that too. > >Dan Kimel > >At 06:45 PM 1/9/2000 -0700, you wrote: >> Hi! I will send one page at a time for those who are >>interested, and I will type them exactly as they are on >>the page. Linda °Ü° >> >>1- The following notes taken from original records by Rudolph >>Shafer, No. 45 Hugelstrasse No. Hillstr. Darmstadt, Germany and >>translated by Erich von Wagner, Duquoin, Illinois, show the presence >>of the Kimmell family from the year 1408, in Germany. The connection >>of the various individuals shown is not definitely given. This will >have >> >>to be determilned by further research. >> >>2- The followilng students in Efurt are shown in the records as >being >>from >>Neukirchen: >>1408-Dilmaunus Kimmel >>1425-Michael Kimmel >> >>3- The family tree of the Kimmell family living in Neukirchen, State >of >>Germany was put together in Darmstadt, Germany in the fall of 1927 >>by Rudolph Schafer. >> >>a. Ludwig Kimmel >>Resident of Neukirchen near Fiegenhaim- Born in year 1420. >>He is listed in 1460 as a house and property owner. He was >>a house owner until 1485 when he gave the house to his son. He >>was a property owner until 1494. >> >>b. Old Hen Kimlmel >>Was a resident of Neukirchen, was born 1450, >>married in 1470. After father-in-laws death in 1482 he became a >property >>owner. After 1468 he was a house owner in place of Ludwig >>Kimmel. >> >>c. Ludwig Kimmel >>Was born in 1464- was a student in Erfurt in 1482. He was still >>alive in the year 1544 at the age of 80 years. He was married to >>Catherene. >> >>d. Young Hen Kimmel >>Was a student of Neukirchen- born in year 1470, married in 1493- >>was house and property owner after 1493. >> >>e. Rietz Kimmel >>Born 1484 and resided in Neukirchen in 1544 where he was Mayor >>and veil maker. >> >>f. Henry Kimmel >>Born 1493, was a student in Eufurt in --- Was married in 1515. >>Resided in Neukirchen where he was a mill owner and >>served as Mayor in 1556. He was still living in 1569 and >>his wife was still living in 1580. >> >>g. Ambrose Kimmel >>Born in the year 1500- was a property owner and a resident of >>Neuirchen, from 1556 to 1579 >> >>h. Ludwig Kimmel >>Was a resident and a mill owner in Neukirchen, Married >>in 1536 and was listed as a property owner from 1556 to 1579. >> >>i. Henry Kimmel >>Was a resident of Neukirchen where he was born in the year >>1520. He became a property owner in 1556 and had a daughter >>who married Curt Schungh in 1579. >> >>j. Lot Kimmel >>Born in Neukirchen in 1530 and died in 1610. Still registered as >>property owner in 1591. He had three daughters. >> >>k. Conrad Kimmel >>Born in 1536. Married Anna in 1573. Was a resident of Neukirchen. >>Was Registrator of the Cabinet of Governor Wilhein von Hessen and >>Treasurer in Cassel. >> >>(End of page one) >>________________________________________________________________ >>YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >>Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >>Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >>http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >> >> > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

That should have been alt plus 0252 for small u ü J Davis http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8460/

FIRST GENERATION 1. Philip KIMMEL Sr.. He was married to Mary Gertrude WILL. Philip KIMMEL Sr. and Mary Gertrude WILL had the following children: +2 i. Joseph KIMMEL. SECOND GENERATION 2. Joseph KIMMEL. He was married to Catherine. Joseph KIMMEL and Catherine had the following children: +3 i. Philip Sheridan KIMMEL. THIRD GENERATION 3. Philip Sheridan KIMMEL was born on 6 Jun 1867 in Somerset Twp., Jackson Co., IL. He was married to Lucy Ann MCCORD (daughter of Robert MCCORD and Johanna BOWLBY) on 24 Sep 1891. Lucy Ann MCCORD died on 29 Apr 1917. She was buried in Zion Cem., DeSoto, IL. Philip Sheridan KIMMEL and Lucy Ann MCCORD had the following children: +4 i. Hallie Elizabeth KIMMEL. +5 ii. Luther M. KIMMEL. 6 iii. Neva Kathryn McCord KIMMEL was born on 14 Nov 1906 in DeSoto, IL. FOURTH GENERATION 4. Hallie Elizabeth KIMMEL was born on 1 Jul 1892 in Somerset Twp., Jackson Co., IL. She was married to John R. PARRISH (son of Frank P. PARRISH and Mary E. CARLISLE). John R. PARRISH was born on 24 Aug 1889 in Vergennes, IL. Hallie Elizabeth KIMMEL and John R. PARRISH had the following children: 7 i. Lucy E. PARRISH was born on 9 Sep 1916 in DeSoto, IL. 8 ii. John Randall PARRISH was born on 16 Jan 1920 in Vergennes, IL. 5. Luther M. KIMMEL was born on 11 Nov 1900 in DeSoto, IL. He was married to Ruth DOWELL (daughter of Sherman DOWELL and Ann). Ruth DOWELL was born on 24 Jun 1903 in Odin, IL. Luther M. KIMMEL and Ruth DOWELL had the following children: 9 i. Luther Dowell KIMMEL was born on 30 Jul 1920. 10 ii. Robert Eugene KIMMEL was born on 8 Nov 1923. __________

This came to me, but I thought there might be folks on the list that would also find it interesting... In a message dated 01/10/2000 6:35:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdunlap@tsf.net writes: << As you requested, here is information on my husband's (Dan) ancestor, the daughter of Johann Valentin Kimmel (1701-1768): Maria Veronica b. 16 Jan. 1726 Gimbsheim, d. 1813 Berkeley Co. VA (WV) married Georg Ludwig Kaffenberger (George Lewis Coffenberger) ca 1751/2 Valentine Kimmel's estate record in 1770 shows distribution to Ludwick Kauffenberger and Fronica his wife. Georg Ludwig Kaffenberger arrived at Philadelphia on the same ship as the Kimmel families, the ST ANDREW, 14 Sep. 1751. His name was usually Anglicized in Virginia records to George Lewis Coffenberger or Coffinberry. A family history says he "was born in Stutgart, Wurtemberg, Germany, and that he married in Germany to Katrina Kimmel who was born in Hannover." However, her name is given as Veronica when their daughter Elizabeth was baptised and was listed as Fanny (a nickname for Veronica) in a deed and in her husband's will. The only part of the family story proven to be true is that her maiden name was Kimmel, and by searching this name, I found her (ID'd by Tim Kimmell). I think it more likely that they met on the journey to the New World and then married shortly thereafter. If she was married upon leaving Gimbsheim, I believe it would have been so noted in the records there. They settled prior to 1760 in the part of Frederick Co. VA that became Berkeley Co. VA (now WV), where both died in 1813. Their children (order listed in father's will): 1. Mary Coffinberger b. d. m. Thomas Newman 2. Maria Elisabet Coffinberger b. 25 Oct. 1753 (bapt. 21 Apr. 1754 at Trinity Lutheran Church, Lancaster PA, dau of George and Veronica), d. 1820-30 Ohio Co. VA, m. James Curtis ca 1775 Berkeley Co. VA. (my husband's ancestors) 3. Nancy Coffinberger b. d. m. John Seybert 4. Fanny Coffinberger b. d. 1849, m. Frederick Stipp/Stepp 22 Jun. 1784 Berkeley Co. VA 5. Sarah Coffinberger b. d. by 1815, m. William McCasland 6. Catharine Coffinberger b. d. ca 1843 Brooke Co. VA, m. Henry Young, m. Benjamin Harvey 7. Jacob Lewis Coffinberger b. 15 Apr. 1755 Berkeley Co. VA, d. ca 1840-43 Tyler Co. VA, m. Ruth or Elizabeth Cooper, m. Mary Parker Watson; Jacob adopted the surname 'Lewis', dropping 'Coffinberry/Coffinberger' 8. George Lewis Coffinberger Jr. b. 10 Feb. 1760 Berkeley Co. VA, d. 13 Jul. 1851 Richland Co. OH, m. Elizabeth Little 5 Dec. 1786 >>

In a message dated 01/10/2000 8:29:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, LLRICH1144@aol.com writes: << Seems as I sent it to myself! >> When you reply to a message, it goes to the entire list. Since you're on the list, you get a copy of your own message too. ~ Pamela

OK, Let me try this again. Johann Philip Kimmel( 1695-1777)

>(1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > >(2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): > Teresa Long Desselles cdessell@bellsouth.net >(2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > >(2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): > >(2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): > >(2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): > >(2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764): >

In a message dated 01/10/2000 8:19:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, LLRICH1144@aol.com writes: << Is this what you wanted? I am in a fog???! >> Well, not exactly. Right now all I want to know is which child of our 1662 Johann Michael you're descended from. We'll add more generations later. ~ Pamela

2-Johann Jacob 3-Johann Adam 4-Joseph 5-Adam 6-William F. Kimmell 7-Anthony C. Kimmell 8-Eleanor Kimmell Roubique crobic@dnvr.uswest.net Pat Thompson wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> > To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 1:03 AM > Subject: [KIMMEL] Starting Over Again > > > Well, cousins. I've been deluged with so many e-mails from the list > asking > > me to correct e-mail addresses, delete so-and-so from a particular Kimmel > > ancestor, add so-and-so to a particular ancestor, etc. that I decided to > > start over again from scratch. Afterall, the last list was collected over > 6 > > months ago and we now have 115 folks on this list. Many of you joined > after > > the last list was put together and apparently alot of you have made some > > corrections to your lines. So, With Johann Michael (1662-1734) being > > "generation one", please share with the list which child of Johann Michael > > you are descended from. His children will be designated as "generation > two." > > Just reply by doing a "copy and paste" of your particular ancestor and > add > > your first name and e-mail address underneath. I'll comply the responses > > into one list. Thanks for your time and thanks especially for the > patience > > of those who have been through this exercise already :-) > > > > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > > > > (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): > > Pat Thompson > pat125@erols.com > > (2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > > > > (2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): > > > > (2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): > > > > (2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): > > > > (2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764): > > > >

Thanks, Dan Kümel It works! At 12:56 AM 1/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >To type u with an umlaut hold the Alt button down and type "129" with the >number pad. When you release the Alt button "ü" should appear. Capital Ü is >"154" with the Alt button. > >--Tim >========================== > >kimel@fsheb2.hep.fsu.edu wrote: > >> Hi Linda, >> >> Thanks for sending this to all of us. I really appreciate it. >> >> By the way, how do you insert a u(umlaut) in your e-mail? Tim Kimmel seems >> to be able to do that too. >> >> Dan Kimel >> > >

Hi! The newsletter went out today (at last) even though it says it's the December issue Now all I've got to do is 1099s and payroll tax reports etc. before the end of the month. Plus a house plan for a rental house to be started next week..... When I saw this note, though, knew I had to respond. William James Kimmel is in my data base, thank you, as the adopted son of Louis H. and Margaret Edmonds Kimmel. He and his sister were taken from the Orphan Train in 1911 by the Kimmels.. Their actual surname was Potthoff. I had wanted to re-establish contact with these Kimmels and knew we did not yet have them on our mailing list for KFN. Some of William's adopted siblings are still living but did not have addresses for William's children. We also have the granddaughter of William's sister, Connie DePasquale, on our mailing list. Several years ago Kimmel Family news ran an article on William James and the Orphan train connection, and we do have some photos of him included. I'd be happy to send a copy to Nicole, and we'd like to add her to our KFN mailing list. Jan Tompkins

Hi from Mexico, Linda and thanks so much for sharing all this information with the KIMMEL list. I have a question. In what time period are your SPRINZ and FERNER ancestors? I do have a BERHARD KIMEL, my 4-g grandfather in NC. Was it BERNHARD by chance? Patty At 07:13 PM 1/9/00 -0700, you wrote: >Well, there is page one! I think it is interesting even >though I don't know if or how I connect! (I think I >must be truly my grandmother's granddaughter -- >a pack rat. I've had these papers for many years. >and I am so glad to share them with you!) > >On this grandma's side of the family, I have only 2 names >to trace -- both of which are connected with >Germany/Prussia. They are: > >SPRINZ & FERNER (first names of Pauline, Samuel & Bernard > used often.) > >Do either of these names look familiar to anyone? > >Will try to send Page Two soon. > >Your friend, > > Linda °Ü° >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >

> > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > > (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): > Jay Kimmel plainj@ieee.org > (2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > > (2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): > > (2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): > > (2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): > > (2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764): > >

> (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): Gloria Bowser Snyder -- > snyderg@susqu.edu > >

JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777) Robert B. Kimmell, rbk@napanet.net At 01:03 AM 1/10/00 EST, you wrote: >Well, cousins. I've been deluged with so many e-mails from the list asking >me to correct e-mail addresses, delete so-and-so from a particular Kimmel >ancestor, add so-and-so to a particular ancestor, etc. that I decided to >start over again from scratch. Afterall, the last list was collected over 6 >months ago and we now have 115 folks on this list. Many of you joined after >the last list was put together and apparently alot of you have made some >corrections to your lines. So, With Johann Michael (1662-1734) being >"generation one", please share with the list which child of Johann Michael >you are descended from. His children will be designated as "generation two." > Just reply by doing a "copy and paste" of your particular ancestor and add >your first name and e-mail address underneath. I'll comply the responses >into one list. Thanks for your time and thanks especially for the patience >of those who have been through this exercise already :-) > >(1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > >(2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): > >(2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > >(2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): > >(2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): > >(2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): > >(2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764): > > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: [KIMMEL] Starting Over Again > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > > (2) SON - JOHANN PHILIP (1695-1777): > Deb Peterson; Colinmor@ix.netcom.com > (2) DAU - ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > > (2) SON - JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768): > > (2) SON - JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735): > > (2) SON - JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784): > > (2) DAU - MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764): > >