Patricia, I do not have Mosser/Musser information. If you can provide additional information about John Fike, Sr., maybe I can identify him in my records. At 12:47 AM 1/25/00 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Debby & M. Jay, > >I am researching the MUSSER family. In my search have investigated >several Musser/Mosser/Moser families in Lancaster Co & Somerset Co. areas >looking for my ggg-grandfather---NICHOLAS VALENTINE MOSSER/MUSSER & >assumed spouse MADELENA DELLENBACH/DILABAUGH. She was reported to have >been sister to Barbara Dellenbach who married John Fike, Sr. and also >sister to Veronica "Freney" Dellenbach who married John Hershberger from >Somerset Co. My Nicholas is still missing--but wonder if connected to the >MUSSERS which intermarried with the Kimmels and others of that area. > >I have copies of TOBIAS & SUSANNAH CRONER MUSSER WILLS. Tobias's Will >was written; 24 June 1856 and Probated Sept 28, 1859. The data I have >says he died ---14 May 1859---age 82/4/23. > >I also have data from "Journal" from Lancaster County Historical >Society---Musser article authored by Edgar A. Musser --in 1979 >That Hans Musser 1704 d. April 1752 & Spouse--Veronica, called >"Froney" b. ? d. before 1752---Froney not mentioned in Hans Will dated >14 March 1752. >Had 4 sons; Jacob 1728--1755 m: Maria Hershey (d/o Christian & Barbara >Hershey), > Peter Musser 1730--1759 m; Anna Hershey, (sister of Maria--wife of >Jacob) >John Musser Jr. 1738--1802 m: 1st; Margaret Hambright 2nd: Sarah Funk, > and >Henry Musser 1740--1808 m; 1st; Ann Neff 1744--1784 2nd; Mary >Kreider 1756--1826 > >Hans, Veronica, son Peter and grandson Henry are still buried at what was >the Family Cemetery on original land in Lancaster Co. >Others buried on original land were moved to Woodword Hill Cemetery in >Lancaster Co. >The Family Cemetery is now location of a Ball Park. > >Peter Musser & Anna Hershey Musser had children; >Henry died young >Anne m; John Brubaker--Rev. War---relocated to Somerset Co. >John Musser--Rev. War m: Barbara Kreider 1751--1833 > ch: Anne m: Isaac Kimmel > Tobias, Sr. m: Susanna Croner > Elizabeth m: Jacob Stoner > Peter--remained single > Henry m; Susannah Faust > Susannah m: Christian Miller > Mary "Polly" m: Jacob Good > Abraham m: Veronica Cable > >Think this agrees with your data. And if you ever fall over the name of >NICHOLAS VALENTINE MUSSER/MOSSER---- >PLEASE---PRETTY PLEASE----LET ME KNOW---IT HAS BEEN A LONG 15 YEARS!!!! > >Hope this helps. and would like to know of any corrections to this >Musser-Kimmel data > >Patricia Hook > > > > > > > > > > > > Debra Kidd kidd@kansas.net Searching for: CALVERT, CARR, CARUTHERS, CUPP, FEATHER, FEIK/FEIG/FIKE/FEIGHT, FITZWATER, GIBB, HALTERMAN, HOOP, HUMPHREYS, ISBELL, MALONEE/MALONEY, MILLER, PHELPS, RUBLE, SMITH, TAYLOR, WHIPKEY.
To answer the query by Jan T. -- Kimmel genealogist H. K. Stoner's collection 1937 for Abraham Kimmel's descendants shows - Benjamin Kimmel b. Oct. 18-1791 d. Aug. 25-1871 m. Sarah Zarver b. Aug. 21-1798 d. Aub. 21-1884 (Daughter of Jonathan Zarver, d. Dec.27-1820 (55), and wife Elizabeth, d. Apr. 18-1818. 38y.3wks) Children of Benjamin and Sarah - 1. Elizabeth Kimmel 2. Jefferson Kimmel b. Nov. 5-1818. d. Jan. 30-1902 3. Margaret Kimmel 4. Julian Kimmel 5. Mary Kimmel 6. Jeremiah Kimmel Of Jefferson Kimmel, Stoner says he is buried in the I.O.O.F. Cemetery Berlin PA and that he married on Mar. 17-1842 a Juliann Musser, b. Sept. 17-1823. d. Dec.15-1903 Included in the Stoner material is a copy of a letter from Tobias Musser to Benjamin Kimmel. There are no genealogical details in the letter. M. Jay Kimmel
I'm reviewing stuff in my in-basket and am grateful for you giving me a DOD for Jefferson Kimmel and his wife Julianne. My records show she is d/o Tobias Musser and Susanna Croner. Susanna, I believe, is a sister of Barbara Croner my direct line ancestor who married David Kimmel 1763. I'm also trying to learn as much as I can about the Croner/Groner lines. (It's my husband who has the Musser ancestry, also a Brethren family.) Do you have a DOD for Jefferson Kimmel's father, Benjamin? I only have a DOB. I'd still like to know the maiden name of Magdalena who married Elder John Groner, father of Barbara Croner Kimmel and Susanna Croner Musser. Why do I have Jefferson Kimmel as a double-L Kimmell? Since your family is still in Stony Creek Twp, Somerset County, does that mean these folks never left Stony Creek? I don't have places for most of them, alas. Wish I'd known there were genealogy types amongst the Kimmel researchers when I was visiting there a year or two ago and was zipping around strange roads looking for Kimmel landmarks and cemeteries that often turned out to be behind somebody's cornfield. (Fortunately for me some Kimmels on Kimmel Road were nice to me and showed me a few landmarks, but they weren't into genealogy at all, and I knew I was really imposing on strangers.) Maybe someday we can have a Kimmel genealogy conference at Somerset? I'd come for that. Thanks. Jan T Jan T
(4) SOLOMON (1770-1825) Janet hjmills@wcnet.org Pam, We have been on vacation for 2 weeks! Thanks for all the work you are doing connecting the Kimmel family. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 12:40 AM Subject: [KIMMEL] Generation 4 Please? > I'm probably going to be labeled a "cyber-pest", but there were 51 of us who > checked in with generation 3. Only 30 of us have checked in so far for > generation 4. If you know which great grandchild of Johann Michael you are > descended from and your name isn't listed below, PLEASE claim your Kimmel > ancestor and be added to the list. This will be the last generation we do. > I promise :-) Thanks to all of you. > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > (2) JOHANN PHILLIP (1695-1777) > (3) CONRAD (1722-xxxx) > (3) J. PHILIP (1724-1796) > > (4) J. PHILIP (1756-1830): > Linda (LLrich1144@aol.com), > Teresa (cdessell@bellsouth.net), > Ann (altond@bunt.com) > > (4) J. JACOB (1757-1824): > Charlotte (AppleInn@aol.com), > Janet (crgjnt@aol.com), > Debby (DebbyBliss@aol.com), > Gloria (Snyderg@susqu.edu), > Pat (pat125@erols.com), > Leslie (leslie62@ix.netcom.com), > > (4) J. MICHAEL (1760-1819): > > (4) J. CONRAD (1761-XXXX): > > (4) DAVID (1763-1827): > Bob (rbk@napanet.net) > > (4) ABRAHAM (1764-1840): > > (4) ELIZABETH (1766-XXXX): > > (4) ISAAC (1769-1851): > Jay (plainj@ieee.org) > > (4) SOLOMON (1770-1825) > Molly (mugsy@tk7.net), > Harolyn (HSterl2728@aol.com) > > (3) J. NICHOLAUS (1728-1804) > > (4) LUDWIG (1760-XXXX): > > (4) ANNA MARGARETHA (1761-XXXX): > > (4) SUSANNA (1763-XXXX): > > (4) ELIZABETH (1766-1801): > > (4) ANNA MARIA (1768-XXXX): > > (4) DAVID (1770-1845): > Carolyn (Cwladaver@aol.com) > > (4) TIMOTHY (1773-1853): > > (4) CONRAD (1775-XXXX): > Deb (colinmor@ix.netcom.com), > > (4) ANNA (1780-XXXX): > > (4) JOEL (1787-1845): > Brenda (bdavy@mindspring.com), > Dick (kimmel@newulmtel.net) > > (3) JACOB (1734-1818) > > (4) ELIZABETH (1760-1813): > > (4) ANNA MARIA (1761-XXXX): > > (4) SAMUEL (1762-1803): > > (4) JOHN PHILIP (1764-1813): > > (4) CATHERINE (1767-XXXX): > > (3) J. MICHAEL (1736-1818) > > (4) DR. JOHN (1760-1846): > > (4) URSULA (1762-XXXX): > > (4) PHILIP (1766-XXXX): > > (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843): > Pam (PamChowdr2@aol.com), > Walt (wkb2@compuserve.com), > Eleanor (crobic@dnvr.uswest.net), > Sharon (Mumsie01@aol.com), > Corliss (missmcq@alaska.net), > Terri (tsteinmetz@jvlnet.com), > Joe (Kimmeljfk@aol.com), > Allan (once80k@cjnetworks.com), > > (4) JONAS (1771-1825): > > (4) MICHAEL (1778-1865): > > (3) J. GEORGE (1743-1818) > > (4) PETER (1771-1843): > > (4) CATHERINE (1774-1844): > > (4) GEORGE (1776-1849): > > (4) SUSANNAH (1781-1857): > > (4) HENRY (1784-1867): > > (4) ELIZABETH (1786-1840): > > (4) MARY MAGDALENA (1789-1859): > > (4) JULIANA (1793-1867): > > (3) ANTHONY (1746-1817) > > (4) ELIZABETH (1770-XXXX) > > (4) MARGARET (1771-1821) > > (4) MARY (1773-XXXX) > > (4) CATHERINE (1776-XXXX) > > (4) SUSANNA (1780-1813): > > (4) MICHAEL (1782-1824): > > (4) ANNA (1785-1803): > > (4) LYDIA (1792-1810): > > (4) GEN. ANTHONY (1798-1871): > > ************************************************************* > (2) ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > > ************************************************************* > (2) JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768) > (3) MARIA VERONICA (1726-1813) > (4) MARIA ELISABETH (1753-1820/30) > Dan/Ruth (rdunlap@tsf.net) > > (3) ANNA MARGARET (1728-xxxx) > (3) PHILIP (1735-1786) > > (4) SAMUEL (1770-1811) > > (4) SUSANNAH (1781-1863) > > (3) CATHERINE (1736-xxxx) > (3) MARIA ELIZABETH (1838-1805) > ************************************************************* > (2) JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735) > (3) ANNA MARGARETHA (1725-xxxx) > (3) MARIA MAGDALENA (1727-xxxx) > (3) APPOLONIA (1731-xxxx) > (3) ANNA MARIA (1734-xxxx) > > *************************************************** > (2) JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784) > (3) J. ADAM (1729-1778) > > (4) SARAH ANNE (1757-1847) > > (4) JULIANA JUSTINA (1760-1843): > Peggy (pproctor@tctc.com), > > (4) ANNA BARBARA (1763-1802) > > (4) MICHAEL (1765-1791) > > (4) JACOB (1766-1843): > Louis Ressler (winnilou@aol.com), > Warren (WEKIML@aol.com), > Linda (koharski@sunlink.net) > > (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843): > > (4) SAMUEL (1772-1801): > > (4) RECECCA (1775-XXXX): > > (4) WILLIAM (1778-XXXX): > > (3) ANNA ELIZABETH (1730-xxxx) > (3) VERONICA (1735-1737) > (3) JACOB (1739-1843) > (3) BARBARA (1740-xxxx) > (3) RUPERTUS (1748-xxxx) > *************************************************** > (2) MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764) > > ***************************************************
Pam- Shouldn't (4) Joseph (1769-1843) be listed under (3) J. Adam (1729-1778) and not (3) J. Michael (1736-1818)? Walt
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* At 12:40 AM 2/4/00 EST, you wrote: >*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >I'm probably going to be labeled a "cyber-pest", but there were 51 of us who >checked in with generation 3. Only 30 of us have checked in so far for >generation 4. If you know which great grandchild of Johann Michael you are >descended from and your name isn't listed below, PLEASE claim your Kimmel >ancestor and be added to the list. This will be the last generation we do. >I promise :-) Thanks to all of you. > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > >(1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > (2) JOHANN PHILLIP (1695-1777) > (3) CONRAD (1722-xxxx) > (3) J. PHILIP (1724-1796) > > (4) J. PHILIP (1756-1830): > Linda (LLrich1144@aol.com), > Teresa (cdessell@bellsouth.net), > Ann (altond@bunt.com) > > (4) J. JACOB (1757-1824): > Charlotte (AppleInn@aol.com), > Janet (crgjnt@aol.com), > Debby (DebbyBliss@aol.com), > Gloria (Snyderg@susqu.edu), > Pat (pat125@erols.com), > Leslie (leslie62@ix.netcom.com), > > (4) J. MICHAEL (1760-1819): > > (4) J. CONRAD (1761-XXXX): > > (4) DAVID (1763-1827): > Bob (rbk@napanet.net) > > (4) ABRAHAM (1764-1840): > > (4) ELIZABETH (1766-XXXX): > > (4) ISAAC (1769-1851): > Jay (plainj@ieee.org) > > (4) SOLOMON (1770-1825) > Molly (mugsy@tk7.net), > Harolyn (HSterl2728@aol.com) > > (3) J. NICHOLAUS (1728-1804) > > (4) LUDWIG (1760-XXXX): > > (4) ANNA MARGARETHA (1761-XXXX): > > (4) SUSANNA (1763-XXXX): > > (4) ELIZABETH (1766-1801): > > (4) ANNA MARIA (1768-XXXX): > > (4) DAVID (1770-1845): > Carolyn (Cwladaver@aol.com) > > (4) TIMOTHY (1773-1853): > > (4) CONRAD (1775-XXXX): > Deb (colinmor@ix.netcom.com), > > (4) ANNA (1780-XXXX): > > (4) JOEL (1787-1845): > Brenda (bdavy@mindspring.com), > Dick (kimmel@newulmtel.net) > > (3) JACOB (1734-1818) > > (4) ELIZABETH (1760-1813): > > (4) ANNA MARIA (1761-XXXX): > > (4) SAMUEL (1762-1803): > > (4) JOHN PHILIP (1764-1813): > > (4) CATHERINE (1767-XXXX): > > (3) J. MICHAEL (1736-1818) > > (4) DR. JOHN (1760-1846): > > (4) URSULA (1762-XXXX): > > (4) PHILIP (1766-XXXX): > > (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843): > Pam (PamChowdr2@aol.com), > Walt (wkb2@compuserve.com), > Eleanor (crobic@dnvr.uswest.net), > Sharon (Mumsie01@aol.com), > Corliss (missmcq@alaska.net), > Terri (tsteinmetz@jvlnet.com), > Joe (Kimmeljfk@aol.com), > Allan (once80k@cjnetworks.com), > > (4) JONAS (1771-1825): > > (4) MICHAEL (1778-1865): > > (3) J. GEORGE (1743-1818) > > (4) PETER (1771-1843): > > (4) CATHERINE (1774-1844): > > (4) GEORGE (1776-1849): > > (4) SUSANNAH (1781-1857): > > (4) HENRY (1784-1867): > > (4) ELIZABETH (1786-1840): > > (4) MARY MAGDALENA (1789-1859): > > (4) JULIANA (1793-1867): > > (3) ANTHONY (1746-1817) > > (4) ELIZABETH (1770-XXXX) > > (4) MARGARET (1771-1821) > > (4) MARY (1773-XXXX) > > (4) CATHERINE (1776-XXXX) > > (4) SUSANNA (1780-1813): > > (4) MICHAEL (1782-1824): > > (4) ANNA (1785-1803): > > (4) LYDIA (1792-1810): > > (4) GEN. ANTHONY (1798-1871): > >************************************************************* > (2) ELIZABETH (1697-1764): > >************************************************************* > (2) JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768) > (3) MARIA VERONICA (1726-1813) > (4) MARIA ELISABETH (1753-1820/30) > Dan/Ruth (rdunlap@tsf.net) > > (3) ANNA MARGARET (1728-xxxx) > (3) PHILIP (1735-1786) > > (4) SAMUEL (1770-1811) > > (4) SUSANNAH (1781-1863) > > (3) CATHERINE (1736-xxxx) > (3) MARIA ELIZABETH (1838-1805) >************************************************************* > (2) JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735) > (3) ANNA MARGARETHA (1725-xxxx) > (3) MARIA MAGDALENA (1727-xxxx) > (3) APPOLONIA (1731-xxxx) > (3) ANNA MARIA (1734-xxxx) > >*************************************************** > (2) JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784) > (3) J. ADAM (1729-1778) > > (4) SARAH ANNE (1757-1847) > > (4) JULIANA JUSTINA (1760-1843): > Peggy (pproctor@tctc.com), > > (4) ANNA BARBARA (1763-1802) > > (4) MICHAEL (1765-1791) > > (4) JACOB (1766-1843): > Louis Ressler (winnilou@aol.com), > Warren (WEKIML@aol.com), > Linda (koharski@sunlink.net) > > (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843): > > (4) SAMUEL (1772-1801): > > (4) RECECCA (1775-XXXX): > > (4) WILLIAM (1778-XXXX): > > (3) ANNA ELIZABETH (1730-xxxx) > (3) VERONICA (1735-1737) > (3) JACOB (1739-1843) > (3) BARBARA (1740-xxxx) > (3) RUPERTUS (1748-xxxx) >*************************************************** > (2) MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764) > >*************************************************** >I am a descendent of David 1763-1828 through his son Samuel--not sure when Samuel was born and he disappeared about 1826. Samuel was David's son by his first wife who is unknown--I wonder if she was a Native American-- At least no one has been able to find a record for that marriage--David supposedly had son Samuel and a daughter by this marriage. Mack Fox >
In a message dated 02/04/2000 12:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, PamChowdr2@aol.com writes: << Joseph was the 3rd child born to J. Michael and Esther (Asper) Kimmel. >> Aackk! I just realized that my Joseph is the 4th child and not the 3rd. I give up. I'm going back to bed! <g> ~ Pamela
In a message dated 02/04/2000 12:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, PamChowdr2@aol.com writes: << However, J. Adam's 3rd child was also Joseph >> Oops! Looks like this Joseph was the 6th child of J. Adam and not the 3rd. Sorry. ~ Pamela
In a message dated 02/04/2000 11:02:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, wkb2@compuserve.com writes: << Shouldn't (4) Joseph (1769-1843) be listed under (3) J. Adam (1729-1778) and not (3) J. Michael (1736-1818)? >> Nope. I don't think so. This is my direct line, so I'm pretty certain it's correct. Joseph was the 3rd child born to J. Michael and Esther (Asper) Kimmel. However, J. Adam's 3rd child was also Joseph. I need to go back through my records and check out the birth and death dates of the 2 Josephs in question. It would REALLY be a coincidence if they were actually born in the same year AND died in the same year as well. I most likely have my dates goofed up. ~ Pamela
PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > > I'm probably going to be labeled a "cyber-pest", but there were 51 of us who > checked in with generation 3. Only 30 of us have checked in so far for > generation 4. If you know which great grandchild of Johann Michael you are > descended from and your name isn't listed below, PLEASE claim your Kimmel > ancestor and be added to the list. This will be the last generation we do. > I promise :-) Thanks to all of you. > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > (2) JOHANN PHILLIP (1695-1777) > (3) CONRAD (1722-xxxx) > (3) J. PHILIP (1724-1796) > > (4) J. PHILIP (1756-1830): > Linda (LLrich1144@aol.com), > Teresa (cdessell@bellsouth.net), > Ann (altond@bunt.com) Margaret (mlasater@myriad.net) Margaret
I'm probably going to be labeled a "cyber-pest", but there were 51 of us who checked in with generation 3. Only 30 of us have checked in so far for generation 4. If you know which great grandchild of Johann Michael you are descended from and your name isn't listed below, PLEASE claim your Kimmel ancestor and be added to the list. This will be the last generation we do. I promise :-) Thanks to all of you. ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) (2) JOHANN PHILLIP (1695-1777) (3) CONRAD (1722-xxxx) (3) J. PHILIP (1724-1796) (4) J. PHILIP (1756-1830): Linda (LLrich1144@aol.com), Teresa (cdessell@bellsouth.net), Ann (altond@bunt.com) (4) J. JACOB (1757-1824): Charlotte (AppleInn@aol.com), Janet (crgjnt@aol.com), Debby (DebbyBliss@aol.com), Gloria (Snyderg@susqu.edu), Pat (pat125@erols.com), Leslie (leslie62@ix.netcom.com), (4) J. MICHAEL (1760-1819): (4) J. CONRAD (1761-XXXX): (4) DAVID (1763-1827): Bob (rbk@napanet.net) (4) ABRAHAM (1764-1840): (4) ELIZABETH (1766-XXXX): (4) ISAAC (1769-1851): Jay (plainj@ieee.org) (4) SOLOMON (1770-1825) Molly (mugsy@tk7.net), Harolyn (HSterl2728@aol.com) (3) J. NICHOLAUS (1728-1804) (4) LUDWIG (1760-XXXX): (4) ANNA MARGARETHA (1761-XXXX): (4) SUSANNA (1763-XXXX): (4) ELIZABETH (1766-1801): (4) ANNA MARIA (1768-XXXX): (4) DAVID (1770-1845): Carolyn (Cwladaver@aol.com) (4) TIMOTHY (1773-1853): (4) CONRAD (1775-XXXX): Deb (colinmor@ix.netcom.com), (4) ANNA (1780-XXXX): (4) JOEL (1787-1845): Brenda (bdavy@mindspring.com), Dick (kimmel@newulmtel.net) (3) JACOB (1734-1818) (4) ELIZABETH (1760-1813): (4) ANNA MARIA (1761-XXXX): (4) SAMUEL (1762-1803): (4) JOHN PHILIP (1764-1813): (4) CATHERINE (1767-XXXX): (3) J. MICHAEL (1736-1818) (4) DR. JOHN (1760-1846): (4) URSULA (1762-XXXX): (4) PHILIP (1766-XXXX): (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843): Pam (PamChowdr2@aol.com), Walt (wkb2@compuserve.com), Eleanor (crobic@dnvr.uswest.net), Sharon (Mumsie01@aol.com), Corliss (missmcq@alaska.net), Terri (tsteinmetz@jvlnet.com), Joe (Kimmeljfk@aol.com), Allan (once80k@cjnetworks.com), (4) JONAS (1771-1825): (4) MICHAEL (1778-1865): (3) J. GEORGE (1743-1818) (4) PETER (1771-1843): (4) CATHERINE (1774-1844): (4) GEORGE (1776-1849): (4) SUSANNAH (1781-1857): (4) HENRY (1784-1867): (4) ELIZABETH (1786-1840): (4) MARY MAGDALENA (1789-1859): (4) JULIANA (1793-1867): (3) ANTHONY (1746-1817) (4) ELIZABETH (1770-XXXX) (4) MARGARET (1771-1821) (4) MARY (1773-XXXX) (4) CATHERINE (1776-XXXX) (4) SUSANNA (1780-1813): (4) MICHAEL (1782-1824): (4) ANNA (1785-1803): (4) LYDIA (1792-1810): (4) GEN. ANTHONY (1798-1871): ************************************************************* (2) ELIZABETH (1697-1764): ************************************************************* (2) JOHANN VALENTIN (1701-1768) (3) MARIA VERONICA (1726-1813) (4) MARIA ELISABETH (1753-1820/30) Dan/Ruth (rdunlap@tsf.net) (3) ANNA MARGARET (1728-xxxx) (3) PHILIP (1735-1786) (4) SAMUEL (1770-1811) (4) SUSANNAH (1781-1863) (3) CATHERINE (1736-xxxx) (3) MARIA ELIZABETH (1838-1805) ************************************************************* (2) JOHANN CONRAD (1703-1735) (3) ANNA MARGARETHA (1725-xxxx) (3) MARIA MAGDALENA (1727-xxxx) (3) APPOLONIA (1731-xxxx) (3) ANNA MARIA (1734-xxxx) *************************************************** (2) JOHANN JACOB (1705-1784) (3) J. ADAM (1729-1778) (4) SARAH ANNE (1757-1847) (4) JULIANA JUSTINA (1760-1843): Peggy (pproctor@tctc.com), (4) ANNA BARBARA (1763-1802) (4) MICHAEL (1765-1791) (4) JACOB (1766-1843): Louis Ressler (winnilou@aol.com), Warren (WEKIML@aol.com), Linda (koharski@sunlink.net) (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843): (4) SAMUEL (1772-1801): (4) RECECCA (1775-XXXX): (4) WILLIAM (1778-XXXX): (3) ANNA ELIZABETH (1730-xxxx) (3) VERONICA (1735-1737) (3) JACOB (1739-1843) (3) BARBARA (1740-xxxx) (3) RUPERTUS (1748-xxxx) *************************************************** (2) MARIA PFRONIKA (1708-1764) ***************************************************
PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > > These are VERY early results, as alot of folks haven't checked in yet with > "their" great grandchild of Johann Michael. However, so far the results have > been very illuminating for me. I didn't know I had so many 4th cousins on > this list! If you haven't checked in yet, PLEASE do so. Just reply by > putting your first name and e-mail address under your generation 4 ancestor. > Hope y'all are having a great weekend :-) > > ~ Pamela in CA > > (1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) > (2) JOHANN PHILLIP (1695-1777) > (3) CONRAD (1722-xxxx) > (3) J. PHILIP (1724-1796) > > (4) J. PHILIP (1756-1830): > Linda (LLrich1144@aol.com), > Teresa (cdessell@bellsouth.net) Margaret (mlasater@myriad.net or margaret_lasater@hotmail.com) Margaret
I find some of my families through court records. After the death of John Brubaker (who married Anna Musser 1751-1819), there must have been problems in settling the estate. The eldest Brubaker daughter was Elizabeth, who married Solomon Kimmel (1770-1825). These records give several Kimmel and Musser names, so I've organized notes on what I found. The record is incomplete, but perhaps it will help to show documented evidence on some of our ancestors. Laurel Messenger, May 1975, page 7 Estate 2--1803--Administration Bond filed Feb. 22, 1803. Res. Brothersvalley Twp. Administrators Peter Brubaker, Robert Philson and George Swartz. Bondsmen John Campbell and Joseph Weigley. Administrators Acct. included rents received from Peter, Jacob and Joseph Brubaker and Robert McDonald. Petition of Anna Smooker, late Anna Brubaker, widow of John Brubaker asks for a guardian for Joseph a minor child. Jacob Smooker appointed guardian dated May 19, 1809. Petition states John Brubaker left issue 10 children. Somerset Past, Vol. I, No. 4, page 11 Common Pleas Minutes Somerset County, Volume A Jacob Swartz vs John Brubaker. Vend. Esp s. to February Term 1805. On motion of Mr. Weyley (Weigley?) to stay the proceedings, John Kimmel Ex. being interested withdrew from the bench, and the council of the plaintiff objected to the competency of Robert Philson Esq, he being one of the administrators of the estate of John Brubaker Dec'd, and also acknowledged in open Court (that he?) and George Swartz had a mortgage in the land in question, to secure the payment of this debt. Mr. Philson requesting the Prothonotary to enter that he never had paid any part of that debt out of his own property. Adjourned. (Same day in the afternoon, the court ordered the proceedings in this case to be stayed till next court.) Somerset Past Vol. 3 No. 1., page 12 Common Pleas Minutes Somerset Co, Volume A Robert Philson, George Swartz and Peter Brubaker, administrators of John Brubaker dec'd, vs John Kimmel, Esq. Jury: Jacob Loud (jur?), Christian Longabaugh, Andre Way (affirmed), Philip Wegley (crossed out), Patrick Nelson, John Collier, Jacob Smoker (crossed out), Henry (Wis-?-), William Morgan, Jacob Will, Peter Augustine, Ludwick Baker, Robert Skinner, George Young. Verdict for the defendant. $4 paid Somerset Past, Vol. 2, No. 1, page 11, 1982 Common Pleas Minutes, Somerset County, Volume A ( Sept. 1805) Robert Philson and George Swartz, administrators of John Brubaker dec'd, vs. John Musser. And now a jury of the county being called, elected, tried, sworn and affirmed respectively, viz.: Stewart Rowan, John Weimer, John Skelly, Samuel Kuntyz, Nathaniel Critchfield, Martin Mixell, Jacob Keffer, Michael Keffer, Nicholas, Miller, David Deiber, Michael Mowrer, and Alexander Linn, who upon their oaths and affirmations respectively do say that they find for the defendant 122 14 s 51/2 . 11 Sept. 1805: Rule to show cause why a new trial should not be granted. Testifying for the defendant: Patrick Sullivan (sworn), Jacob Smocker (affirmed), and 5 depositions read. Testifying for the plaintiff: George Kimmel Sr. (affirmed), Jacob Kimmel (affirmed), and Christian Cable (affirmed). Somerset Past, Vol. 11, Number 12, Page 19 Civil Court Records Continuance docket 3, February Term 1807 Prothonotary's Office, Somerset County Courthouse 62. George Kimmell Sr. vs. Robert Philson, George Swartz and Peter Brubaker, administrators of John Brubaker deceased. Appeal from the Judgment of George Johnston, Esq. Somerset County Land Liens, 1868 (Somerset Past, Vol. 6, No. 1) The following list is for lands that were warranted while Somerset was still a part of Bedford County: Brubaker, John: 400 acres in Quemahoning Twp warranted 04 Apr 1794 Donna Knupp
(4) Joseph Kimmel 1769-1843 Kimmeljfk@aol.com Joe K.
Jan, Thanks Jan, but I'm afraid my head is spinning now from all your information! It sure gets confusing. Debby
Interesting, Debby! When I looked up in my records Bishop Tobias Kreider 1721-3/1791, I see that I have him as s/o Martin Kreider and h/o Anna Buckwalter. Children listed are Jacob Greider and Barbara Kreider Musser. I also have a Tobias Kreider b 1826 d 1902 in southern Ohio who m. Lydia Welbaum. Children Lawrence Kreider and Willis Kreider, amonst others (10 I believe). Not sure how he fits into things. They show up on a list of ministers and elders for Church of the Brethren 1795-1989 requesting help in grathering info on these people and their families in 1989. The information on Bishop Tobias Kreider came from FOBG newsletter summer 1991 p 31. FOBG is Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists, and the newsletter is now called Brethren Roots. Mennonite Family History 1992 January carried a query by Carolyn Denlinger "Tobias Kreider (May 17, 1749-May 14, 1838) m. Barbara Diffenbaugh (May 13, 1761-Nov 13 1820). They had a son Jacob (May 19, 1781-Aug 8, 1855). Was there a son David March 1 1779-Jan 9 1844)? " She wanted more information on this family. PA German Marriages by Donna Irish has a Tobias Kreiter m. Maria Thompson of Lebanon 28 May 1793. And a Tobias Kreider, widower, m. Maria Dohner 24 Dec 1829 at Tabor First Reformed Church at Lebanon, Lebanon Co. PA. Which Tobias?? PA Mennonite Heritage mentions on p 33 Oct 98 a Tobias Kreider 1721-1791 who was f/o Jacob Kreider 1744-1789 a s/o Jacob Krittor/Kreider 1681-174- who m. Elizabeth ----. As to Anna Buckwalter Kreider born 10/28/1725 and died 10/6/1805, the name and dates for her came from PA Mennonite Heritage p 33 Oct 98. Years only. Wenger gave specific dates and calls her Anlea, names parents as Theodorus Buckwalter, Barbara Landis. >From Cathryn Driver (a triple Kimmel, I think, who married a double Kimmel, as I recall?) the name Jacob Greider as s/o Tobias and Anna Buckwalter Kreider. Jacob 1744 died 8/29/1789. Wife's name from FOBG summer 1991 p 31 "The David Kreider Family of Montgomery Co. Ohio." DOB< DOD from PA Mennonite Heritage p 33 Oct 98. Says he is s/o Tobias and Anna Buckwalter, grandson of Jacob Krittor/Kreider 1681-1741 and Elizabeth ---. I too have notes indicating that Barbara Kreider Musser is d/o Bishop Kreider and Anna Buckwalter. from PEOPLE OF THE MARSH 7/75 (via Duane Sawhill): John [Musser] (1753-1828) married Barbara (1751-1833) the daughter of Bishop Tobias Kreider (1721-1791) and granddaughter of the immigrant Jacob Kreider (Ref: : Gen Record of Greider-Kreider Family in America. by Stauffer. According to Mrs. Harry Jensen of Lancaster, Barbara's mother was Anlea Buckwalter (1725-1805) d/o Durst & Barbara Landis Buckwalter. John & Barbara Kreider Musser located the "Round Meadow" farm in Somerset in 1784. They had eight children. So the only things I've got that say Barbara wasn't Tobias's daughter but the d/o of Jacob or John Jacob Kreider are Austin Cooper's Brothersvalley book and a sourceless pedigree appearing in the Berlin genealogy newsletter, probably based on Cooper.... The only source I have for Tobias's father being Martin and not Jacob or John Jacob is an e-mail from Daniel Wenger 3/99. Hmmm. No wonder we need to go confirm the information with original sources, something I have yet to do on all this. Thanks for making me take a second look, Debby. Jan T
(1) JOHANN MICHAEL KIMMEL (1662-1734) (2) JOHANN PHILLIP (1695-1777) (3) J. MICHAEL (1736-1818) (4) JOSEPH (1769-1843) Terri (tsteinmetz@jvlnet.com)
Thanks, Donna. I'm keeping this information and trying to digest it. Jan T
Jan T wrote: >>Additional information on this couple comes from Austin Cooper's Two Centuries of Brothersvalley Church of the Brethren 1752-1952. "Jacob Kreider, father of Barbara, owned the land on which one-half of the city of Lancaster now stands. << I've seen this. I've also seen the Mennonite Research Journal from April 1976 page 14 which says Barbara Kreider (wife of John Musser) was a daughter of Tobias Kreider. I believed this to be Bishop Tobias Kreider (1714-1791) who married Anlea Buckwalter (1725-1805), although this was not stated. I have a record of a Jacob Kreider (c 1742 - c 1822) m1 Susanna Long, who are parents of a Barbara Kreider. This was from Pennsylvania Mennonite Heritage Oct 1985 page 23. I don't know if that is the Jacob which was referred to in Austin Cooper's book. I can't say with any authority who Barbara (Kreider) Musser's father was. I find it confusing. I descend from Mary Kreider who married John Light, parents of Anna Light who married Rudolph Meyer II. In my earlier research I thought Mary Kreider was a daughter of John Jacob Greider (1673-1725) and Anna. This fall a Kimmel descendant sent me her information showing Anna Light was a daughter of Jacob Light and Barbara Lnu (that is the way they spelled it). I've been so swamped I haven't had a chance to check up on this. If this is correct I may not have a Kreider line after all. It looks like I'll have to spend a lot of time straightening this out. Does anyone else show Barbara Kreider (wife of John Musser) to be a daughter of Bishop Tobias Kreider? Debby
You asked about the marriage info I have for Henry and Susanna and its source. In looking at my initial record it says for Henry Musser 1783-1874: "From PEOPLE OF THE MARSH: Henry 91783-1874), a balcksmith, married SUSANNA FAUST (1788-1884). They attended the Reformed and Lutheran Church, where several of their children were baptized, according to the records extracted by C E Saylor. The children were Joseph; Henry (b 1814); John (a blacksmithZ); Daniel (also a blacksmith b 1822, went to Ashland Ohio, where he married Anna Gebhart (1825-1908), had 3 children and died in 1908); Samuel (1825-1889) married his cousin Eliza Kuhns (1827-1863)...They are great grandparents of Harold Everett Musser, also a member of the SAR; Alexander (1829-1922) married his cousin Julianna Brubaker (1832-1922)...They are grnadparents of SAR member Jacob Countryman; David b 1831; Peter b 1820; Mary married Jacob Coleman." I also have a Henry Musser who married Maria Engle of Donegal Twp 20 Sep 1805 at First Reformed Church Lancaster Co. PA, but I do not know which Henry this is. This information comes from PA German Marriages p 238. People of the Marsh for 7/75 indicates a Henry as s/o Hans (John) Musser and I thought it might possibly be him.... As to the parents, John Musser 1753 and Barbara Kreider, my initial information came from researcher Duane Sawhill, who sent a page from PEOPLE OF THE MARSH July-Aug 1975, p 3) with information on many Mussers. Referrrrence given is Genealogical Record of Greider-Kreider Family in America by Stauffer. Additional information on this couple comes from Austin Cooper's Two Centuries of Brothersvalley Church of the Brethren 1752-1952. "Jacob Kreider, father of Barbara, owned the land on which one-half of the city of Lancaster now stands. Map in The Carpenter Family History book. He served in the Pennsylvania Militia during the French & Indian War 1753-1761." PA German Marriages lists a marriage of a John Musser to Barbara Reist, Swat., 11 Aug 1812, witness Mrs. Gloninger at Salem Reformed Church, Harrisburg, Dauphin Co. by Rev. Philip Gloninger. What John Musser was this? A Berlin pedigree (Berlin PA genealogy newsletter) with no source or name for Kate A. Kimmel says John Musser's father was "Hans Musser 1727." Same newsletter says Barbara Kreider's father was John Jacob Kreider (no source, no name.) Apparently this 7/75 issue of PEOPLE OF THE MARSH might be worth seeking out for the article on Mussers. I'm interested in anything else on these Mussers. I'm still expecting them to somehow tie in with my husband's Musser/Stump line in Indiana. Thanks, Jay. Jan T