Dear Tim, Wish I had an answer to your latest problem-- but, I surley dont ! But, I am wondering if you had received any new information from Dr. Bill Thompson. As I recall he would be back state-side in May. There , he would supply you the family history they got in Gimbsheim, back in the 1970's. I hope we can continue to learn about those early ancestors ! Wishing you well, Allan ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy W. Kimmel <tkimmel@fwi.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:15 PM Subject: [KIMMEL] Philip Kimmel portraits > Here's a puzzle. > > Those who have seen "Records of the Kimmel and Related Families," a > family history by Charles Messner, have seen the pictures of Johann > Michael, Johann Philip, Henry, Peter and Singleton Kimmel. His son and > cousins do not know where he found the pictures or what happened to his > copies. Some relatives got miniature copies of Michael and Philip. I > had been told by others that they came from the Admiral Husband Kimmel's > family. An old Henderson newspaper article confirmed that the family at > least had the Philip Kimmel portrait. > > Well, I finally got copy of the Philip Kimmel portrait associated with > the Admiral Kimmel family. It is in the book "Kentucky Ante-bellum > Portraiture" (pages 298-299) that I requested from the librarian at > Henderson. I have posted the write-up from the book on a page of my web > site at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Doc-Antebellum.htm and the portrait > at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Phil001c.jpg . > > Compare to the portrait Charles Messner photographed that I posted at > http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Phil001a.jpg . > > The pose and outfit is the same, but the portraits are obviously not the > same! So I am back at square one: where on earth did Charles Messner > find the portraits of Johann Michael, Johann Philip, etal. that appeared > in his family history and what happened to his copies? > > --Tim Kimmel > ================= >

In the book THE BERLIN AREA 1777-1977 (Berlin PA Hist. Soc.) I found a few Kimmel burial sites listed for veterans of various wars: Brothersvalley Twp farms: Boyd Burial Plot George Kimmel Revolutionary War IOOF Cemetery, Berlin: Section 13 #5 Jacob Kimmel War of 1812 Section 16 # ___ Glenn O. Kimmel WW II Section 18 #6 Dr. John Kimmel War of 1812 Section 22 #9 Ray D. Kimmel WW II Economy Telephone Stock Company franchise: An ordinance was granted to the Economy Telephoen Stock Company of Somerset County, PA, the privilege of erecting its poles on the streets of the Borough of Berlin, Pa... passed Dec 7 1903. attest Don M. Kimmel, clerk. An ordinance granted certain rights to the Pennsylvania and Maryland Street Railway Company or assigns to construct and operate an Electric Street Railway in the Borough of Berlin... March 9, 1907. Z T Kimmel, President of Town Council. Adam A. Miller Justice of the Peace, marriages from 1791-1798 Solomon Kimmel and Elizabeth Brubaker Also several paragraphs devoted to Dr. John Kimmel. Jan T

Sorry but no help - - - Bill PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > I'm forwarding this message to all you Kimmel cousins. If any of you have > any knowledge of this particular Kimmel, please e-mail privately to the cc: > address. Thanks! > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > > In a message dated 05/19/2000 4:40:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > KFinch1111@aol.com writes: > > << I am looking for a Joanne Kimmel. She lived in Williamstown NJ in the > early > 1980's. Her parents names were Harry and Mary (Iris). Joanne married a Joe > Camper from Roebling or Florence NJ around 1968.I was in her wedding and > would like very much to see her again. She has a daughter age about 30.Her > parents and my parents were friends for years but lost contact. > > Kathleen Vest Finch >>

I'm forwarding this message to all you Kimmel cousins. If any of you have any knowledge of this particular Kimmel, please e-mail privately to the cc: address. Thanks! ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall In a message dated 05/19/2000 4:40:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, KFinch1111@aol.com writes: << I am looking for a Joanne Kimmel. She lived in Williamstown NJ in the early 1980's. Her parents names were Harry and Mary (Iris). Joanne married a Joe Camper from Roebling or Florence NJ around 1968.I was in her wedding and would like very much to see her again. She has a daughter age about 30.Her parents and my parents were friends for years but lost contact. Kathleen Vest Finch >>

Here's a puzzle. Those who have seen "Records of the Kimmel and Related Families," a family history by Charles Messner, have seen the pictures of Johann Michael, Johann Philip, Henry, Peter and Singleton Kimmel. His son and cousins do not know where he found the pictures or what happened to his copies. Some relatives got miniature copies of Michael and Philip. I had been told by others that they came from the Admiral Husband Kimmel's family. An old Henderson newspaper article confirmed that the family at least had the Philip Kimmel portrait. Well, I finally got copy of the Philip Kimmel portrait associated with the Admiral Kimmel family. It is in the book "Kentucky Ante-bellum Portraiture" (pages 298-299) that I requested from the librarian at Henderson. I have posted the write-up from the book on a page of my web site at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Doc-Antebellum.htm and the portrait at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Phil001c.jpg . Compare to the portrait Charles Messner photographed that I posted at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Phil001a.jpg . The pose and outfit is the same, but the portraits are obviously not the same! So I am back at square one: where on earth did Charles Messner find the portraits of Johann Michael, Johann Philip, etal. that appeared in his family history and what happened to his copies? --Tim Kimmel =================

--part1_b8.574d4f0.26497c4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_b8.574d4f0.26497c4d_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <tresslerg@erols.com> Received: from rly-st08.mail.aol.com (rly-st08.mail.aol.com [172.31.34.3]) by air-yg05.mail.aol.com (v73.12) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 May 2000 18:44:36 -0400 Received: from rly-yh04.mx.aol.com (rly-yh04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.36]) by rly-st08.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA29605 for <KTompk7744@aol.com>; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207-172-4-60.in-addr.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by rly-yh04.mail.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Mon, 08 May 2000 18:37:11 -0400 Received: from 207-172-111-225.s225.tnt1.ann.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.111.225] helo=tresslerg) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ow9G-0003sr-00 for KTompk7744@aol.com; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:37:10 -0400 Message-ID: <002201bfb93c$35b20a20$e16faccf@tresslerg> Reply-To: "Glenda Tressler Smith" <tresslerg@erols.com> From: "Glenda Tressler Smith" <tresslerg@erols.com> To: <KTompk7744@aol.com> References: <39.4be4346.26478456@aol.com> Subject: Re: Somerset County Assess - thanks Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:24:42 -0400 Organization: Dell Computer Corporation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Jan: Do you have a Margaret Kimmel in your tree somewhere. I'm descended from a Margaret Kimmel who was married to a William Johnston. Her dates would be about 1800 - ??. I do know she was still living in 1850 when she was living with her son, Thomas. They also had a daughter, Anne Johnston, who married Melchi Hartzell. With Smiths (two different branches), Kimmels and Johnstons, I've been spending most of my time on my other surnames but anytime I find something I try to make a note of those names. Thanks. Glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: <KTompk7744@aol.com> To: <tresslerg@erols.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: Somerset County Assess - thanks Thanks for posting these. I'm 99% sure that's MY David Kimmel (1763). Jan Tompkins --part1_b8.574d4f0.26497c4d_boundary--

UNSUBCRIBE PLEASE. KIMMEL-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > KIMMEL-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 52 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [KIMMEL] Kimmel-Penrod [MOscarMcc@cs.com] > #2 Re: [KIMMEL] Kimmel-Penrod [William Schwartz <wschwart@micron.] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from KIMMEL-D, send a message to > > KIMMEL-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [KIMMEL] Kimmel-Penrod > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:32:49 EDT > From: MOscarMcc@cs.com > To: KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com > > Philip Kimmel (b.1756) was a brother of my ancestor Isaac Kimmel. Notes I > have show Philip Kimmel and Drusilla Penrod Kimmel having these children: > Philip > Daniel 1792-1843 m. Catherine Hunsaker > John Kimmel Baptist Preacher m. Polly Shroud > George Kimmel 1795 - 1868 > m. Elizabeth Kimmel - 1821 > 2nd Susana Smith - 1822 > 3rd Elizabeth Christy 1805 - 1887 14 children > Benjamin Kimmel > David Kimmel m. Prissilla Wood > Mary Kimmel m. John Penrod 12 children > Catherine Kimmel m. _______ Chrise > Jane Kimmel m Samuel Penrod > > Philip Kimmel (b 1756): > his parents: Philip Kimmel 1724 Eich, Germ. 1796 > and Anna Christina Henn > his grand parents: Johann Philip Kimmel 1695 Germ. - 1777 > and Anna Elizabeth Voltz > his great grand parents: Johann Michael Kimmel 1662 Alsheim, Germ - 1734 > and Anna Margarethe Oswald nee Souter 1663 - 1728 > his great great grand parents: Hans Konrad Kimmel b. c. 1635 Oppenheim, Germ > > d. Alsheim, Germany > and Ann Marie Knebel > > I have more details if you are interested. > > Lois-Ann McCollum > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [KIMMEL] Kimmel-Penrod > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:49:32 -0600 > From: William Schwartz <wschwart@micron.net> > To: KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com > > Thanks - - - - Wm Schwartz > > MOscarMcc@cs.com wrote: > > > Philip Kimmel (b.1756) was a brother of my ancestor Isaac Kimmel. Notes I > > have show Philip Kimmel and Drusilla Penrod Kimmel having these children: > > Philip > > Daniel 1792-1843 m. Catherine Hunsaker > > John Kimmel Baptist Preacher m. Polly Shroud > > George Kimmel 1795 - 1868 > > m. Elizabeth Kimmel - 1821 > > 2nd Susana Smith - 1822 > > 3rd Elizabeth Christy 1805 - 1887 14 children > > Benjamin Kimmel > > David Kimmel m. Prissilla Wood > > Mary Kimmel m. John Penrod 12 children > > Catherine Kimmel m. _______ Chrise > > Jane Kimmel m Samuel Penrod > > > > Philip Kimmel (b 1756): > > his parents: Philip Kimmel 1724 Eich, Germ. 1796 > > and Anna Christina Henn > > his grand parents: Johann Philip Kimmel 1695 Germ. - 1777 > > and Anna Elizabeth Voltz > > his great grand parents: Johann Michael Kimmel 1662 Alsheim, Germ - 1734 > > and Anna Margarethe Oswald nee Souter 1663 - 1728 > > his great great grand parents: Hans Konrad Kimmel b. c. 1635 Oppenheim, Germ > > > > d. Alsheim, Germany > > and Ann Marie Knebel > > > > I have more details if you are interested. > > > > Lois-Ann McCollum

Thanks - - - - Wm Schwartz MOscarMcc@cs.com wrote: > Philip Kimmel (b.1756) was a brother of my ancestor Isaac Kimmel. Notes I > have show Philip Kimmel and Drusilla Penrod Kimmel having these children: > Philip > Daniel 1792-1843 m. Catherine Hunsaker > John Kimmel Baptist Preacher m. Polly Shroud > George Kimmel 1795 - 1868 > m. Elizabeth Kimmel - 1821 > 2nd Susana Smith - 1822 > 3rd Elizabeth Christy 1805 - 1887 14 children > Benjamin Kimmel > David Kimmel m. Prissilla Wood > Mary Kimmel m. John Penrod 12 children > Catherine Kimmel m. _______ Chrise > Jane Kimmel m Samuel Penrod > > Philip Kimmel (b 1756): > his parents: Philip Kimmel 1724 Eich, Germ. 1796 > and Anna Christina Henn > his grand parents: Johann Philip Kimmel 1695 Germ. - 1777 > and Anna Elizabeth Voltz > his great grand parents: Johann Michael Kimmel 1662 Alsheim, Germ - 1734 > and Anna Margarethe Oswald nee Souter 1663 - 1728 > his great great grand parents: Hans Konrad Kimmel b. c. 1635 Oppenheim, Germ > > d. Alsheim, Germany > and Ann Marie Knebel > > I have more details if you are interested. > > Lois-Ann McCollum

Philip Kimmel (b.1756) was a brother of my ancestor Isaac Kimmel. Notes I have show Philip Kimmel and Drusilla Penrod Kimmel having these children: Philip Daniel 1792-1843 m. Catherine Hunsaker John Kimmel Baptist Preacher m. Polly Shroud George Kimmel 1795 - 1868 m. Elizabeth Kimmel - 1821 2nd Susana Smith - 1822 3rd Elizabeth Christy 1805 - 1887 14 children Benjamin Kimmel David Kimmel m. Prissilla Wood Mary Kimmel m. John Penrod 12 children Catherine Kimmel m. _______ Chrise Jane Kimmel m Samuel Penrod Philip Kimmel (b 1756): his parents: Philip Kimmel 1724 Eich, Germ. 1796 and Anna Christina Henn his grand parents: Johann Philip Kimmel 1695 Germ. - 1777 and Anna Elizabeth Voltz his great grand parents: Johann Michael Kimmel 1662 Alsheim, Germ - 1734 and Anna Margarethe Oswald nee Souter 1663 - 1728 his great great grand parents: Hans Konrad Kimmel b. c. 1635 Oppenheim, Germ d. Alsheim, Germany and Ann Marie Knebel I have more details if you are interested. Lois-Ann McCollum

Looking for any one researching Kimmels in Gratiot and Ingham counties , MI in late 1800 and early 1900. Looking for parents of Wilbur Kimmel born 1900 Gratiot co. Thanks Dawn

Thanks - - - - Bill KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > Benjamin Franklin Keller b 7/12/1839 Montgomery Co. OH, married Sarah Ann > Kimmel in 1863 in Montgomery Co. OH, died 4/1/1915 in Arcanum, Darke Co. OH, > buried in Abbotsville Cem. 3 mi. n of Arcanum OH. He was s/o Samuel Keller > (1803-1868) and Catherine Beavers (1806-1881). Children of Benjamin > Franklin Keller and Sarah Ann Kimmel were: > > Lillie Catherine Keller (1863-1867). > Irene Pearl Keller (1866-1867). > William Henry Keller (1868-1945 m. Lodena Gephart (children) > Mary Susan Keller (1871-1956) m. Orie Sylvester Harris (children) > Charles Franklin Keller (1881-1970) m. Ethel Greeley Phellis (children) > > > Sarah Ann Kimmel Keller was d/o Michael Kimmel & Catherine Armentrout. > Church affiliation United Brethren. She was born 6/19/1842 Montgomery Co. > OH. Married 1/15/18633 at home in Montgomery Co. OH by Rev J J Welsh, > pastor N S Lutheran Church. She died 5/16/1921 Arcanum OH, buried > Abbotsville Cem. there. > > A different batch of Kimmel Keller connections: > > Eli Keller is s/o Godlip Keller & Hannah Beeghley. Hannah Beeghley is d/o > Michael Beeghley Jr (1789-1856) & Susanna Kimmel (1793-1858). Beeghley is > sometimes spelled Beuchele (also Beachley, Beekley, Butchley, etc.) . > Susanna Kimmel was 2d wife of Beeghley and is a d/o of David Kimmel 1763 and > Barbara Croner. Eli has a sister, Susan Keller. I don't have dates on > most of these folks except David & Barbara Croner Kimmel. Hannah Beeghley > Keller & Godlip Keller had 12 children. > > Then I've got an earlier yet non-Kimmel Keller connection: > > Barbara Keller b 1634 Switzerland (Zurich), married Jacob Altorfer in > Switzerland 12/6/1657. Daughter Barbara Altorfer Rathgeb and are forebears > of my Shively line, one of whom married a Badger who married a Bower and > begat my Granddaddy Bower. > > Jan T > > >

Benjamin Franklin Keller b 7/12/1839 Montgomery Co. OH, married Sarah Ann Kimmel in 1863 in Montgomery Co. OH, died 4/1/1915 in Arcanum, Darke Co. OH, buried in Abbotsville Cem. 3 mi. n of Arcanum OH. He was s/o Samuel Keller (1803-1868) and Catherine Beavers (1806-1881). Children of Benjamin Franklin Keller and Sarah Ann Kimmel were: Lillie Catherine Keller (1863-1867). Irene Pearl Keller (1866-1867). William Henry Keller (1868-1945 m. Lodena Gephart (children) Mary Susan Keller (1871-1956) m. Orie Sylvester Harris (children) Charles Franklin Keller (1881-1970) m. Ethel Greeley Phellis (children) Sarah Ann Kimmel Keller was d/o Michael Kimmel & Catherine Armentrout. Church affiliation United Brethren. She was born 6/19/1842 Montgomery Co. OH. Married 1/15/18633 at home in Montgomery Co. OH by Rev J J Welsh, pastor N S Lutheran Church. She died 5/16/1921 Arcanum OH, buried Abbotsville Cem. there. A different batch of Kimmel Keller connections: Eli Keller is s/o Godlip Keller & Hannah Beeghley. Hannah Beeghley is d/o Michael Beeghley Jr (1789-1856) & Susanna Kimmel (1793-1858). Beeghley is sometimes spelled Beuchele (also Beachley, Beekley, Butchley, etc.) . Susanna Kimmel was 2d wife of Beeghley and is a d/o of David Kimmel 1763 and Barbara Croner. Eli has a sister, Susan Keller. I don't have dates on most of these folks except David & Barbara Croner Kimmel. Hannah Beeghley Keller & Godlip Keller had 12 children. Then I've got an earlier yet non-Kimmel Keller connection: Barbara Keller b 1634 Switzerland (Zurich), married Jacob Altorfer in Switzerland 12/6/1657. Daughter Barbara Altorfer Rathgeb and are forebears of my Shively line, one of whom married a Badger who married a Bower and begat my Granddaddy Bower. Jan T

My notes say Samuel Penrod who married Jane Kimmel Penrod was s/o Solomon Penrod. Married Jane 3/2/1802 Logan Co KY. source not noted but probably Marie Boney, who descends from this line. Jane Kimmel Penrod was d/o J. Philip Kimmel Jr & Druscilla Penrod Kimmel, according to descendant Marie Boney, who edited the Reeder-Kimmel newsletter. Mariah (Mary) Kimmel, her sister, married Allen Penrod at the same time. Mariah was d/o J. Philip Kimmel Jr. & Druscilla Penrod. My notes say it was a double wedding with 2 sisters marrying 2 brothers. LDS ancestral files shows a "Patty" Kimmel marrying Allen Penrod 1802 KY. Druscilla Penrod was d/o John Penrod per Marie Boney. "Possible spouse" of Philip Jr." She Died apx 1803 KY. Children were Philip Kimmel III, Catherine Kimmel Crise, David Kimmel, Jane Kimmel Penrod, Mariah Kimmel Penrod, Daniel Kimmel, John Kimmel, Benjamin Kimmel, George Kimmel. This J. Philip Kimmel Jr. was born 1756 York County PA, died 1830 McCracken County KY according to Marie Boney. (My family's notes said Illinois but gave no date or place). Baptized 23 March 1756. Will was written 29 Dec 1829 and filed 8 March 1830, McCracken County. Marie's notes say that family story is that the Kimmel children of J. Philip Kimmel 1724 had differences following the oild man's death and that Johann Philip Kimmel 1756 left PA because of this squabble. "Whether this is true or not, the younger JPK did leave PA about that time." Marie Boney's notes in Reeder Kimmel publication says JPK 1756 was baptized by the Rev. Jacob Lichty, a Reformed minister of Bermudian Reforemd & Lutheran Union Church, Patimore Twp, Adams (York) Co., PA on 23 March 1756. Parents: Philip Kimmel & Christina. Witness Philip Kimmel 1724. Marie mentions a 2d marriage by Philip 1756 to Ann (unk. maiden name) who had previously been married to a man named Lovelace, then a Robert Hester, and lastly our Philip. Schaefer lists Druscilla Penrod as first wife, "R Bear" as 2d but gives no YOD. This woman whose name is unclear was Rebecca Bond Kimmel in our family records, which have her marrying Philip Kimmel III in Logan County KY 1/23/1807, d. 1849 Indiana. Lloyd Kimmel's notes call her Rebecca Beard.... Our family records say she married Philip III and was m/o Benjamin, George & Elijah Kimmel. Jan T

Can anyone tell me who these Kimmels are? What Kimmel group do they come from. I. 4. John Shirk married Unknown KIMMEL John was the son of 3. David Shirk b. 5 March 1783 in Schoeneck, Lancaster Co. Pa & Anna Kurtz David was the son of 2. Ulrick ShirkIII b. 16 May 1751 in Schoneck, Lancaster Co., Pa & Mariah Eberly < Ulrich was the son of 1. Ulrich Shirk II b. 20 Aug. 1704 in Canton Basel, Switzerland & Annie Swar b. Lancaster, Pa II. 2. Drusilla Penrod b. 1756 Md d. 1803 Muhlenburg Co., KY Married Philip Kimmel b. 23 March 1756 in York Co.,Pa d. 29 Dec. 1820 Crawford Co., Indiana Drusilla Penrod was the daughter of 1. John Penrod b. 1725 NY d. 1799 Somerset, Pa. & Catherine Barrone III. 2. Samuel Penrod b. 1766 married POLLY JANE KIMMEL b. 1770 Samuel Penrod was the son of 1. John Penrod b. 1725 NY d. 1799 Somerset, Pa & Catherine Barrone Could Philip and Polly Jane Kimmel have been brother and sister? Their spouses were brother and sister. I found Shirk& Keller marriages in Lancaster, Pa. I also found Shirks that went from Lancaster to Stark Co., Ohio Are there Kimmels in Stark Co., Ohio? I found Keller and Shirk on the 1850 Pendelton County, Federal census The Shirks have married into the Kimble/Kimmel family in Va/WVa many times. The Shirks of this area were from Pa and can trace back to Ulrich of Canton Basel, Switzerland. The Shirks in Pa married at least one Kimmel in Pa. Can anyone on the list make a connection to the above Kimmels? Who were they? Betty Jane Kimble

Thanks William, Where were your George and Juliana Kimmel living and when? Johannes Kimmel/John Kimble of Hampshire, Va was born ca. 1734 + or - a few years. His sons were born 1750's up to 1780 +or- a few years He has a family of 10 1782 & a family of 8 1784 Wife's name was 1. Nancy Boober, possible 2. Catherine Other families associated with the Kimble/Kimmel family of Va/Wva 1. Stump/Stumpf 2. Mock/Moak 3. Becker/Baker 4. Styl/Steel 5. Nazelrodt/Nesselrodt 6. Schaeffer/Shaffer 7. Sponaugle 8. Helmick 9 Hedrick 10 Heckel/Hinkle (of Pa) Any connections to other Kimmels out there in the other family names? Betty Jane Kimble William Schwartz wrote: > I will do some research and get back to you. My Kimmel line is through > Kathrine Kimmel who married Jackob Schwartz. Her parents were George and > Juliana Ruby Kimmel. I have been to the graves of Juliana Ruby and Cathrine > Kimmel. Cathrine Kimmel lived in southern Illinois. Thanks and I will get > back to you. > William Schwartz > 10 Village Circle > Garden Valley, Idaho 83622 > >

There is a Bowers and Kimble(Kimmel) relationship in Va/WVa also. Look at John Bowers Sr. born in Pa below. Does he relate to any of the Bowers/Kimmels on this list? Mark E. Bowers of Harrisonburg, Va and also Pendelton County, WVa is a Kimble/Kimmel and Bowers descendant. He wrote a book Christian Bowers and His Descendants published 1991. Mark also published another book along with Nancy Hill on the Kimble and Alt Families of WVA which starts with the ADAM KIMBLE Line and his descendants. (Mark is the descendant of the Bowers, Alts and Kimble/Kimmels) ADAM was the son of JOHN KIMBLE (Johannes Kimmel) of Hampshire, Va now Grant WVA. John of Va had several sons that we know of as well as other children we do not know the names of. Those we know as follows Lambert, Jacob/John, Michael, Adam, Harmonas, George. (Lambert also had a son named George) Lambert and son George went to Fayette Co., Ohio from Va early 1800's Michael not sure where he went (Possibly is the Michael Kindle in Rockingham County, Va) Jacob/John not sure what happened to him (missing after 1798) Adam stayed in Va Harmonas went to Kentucky George I think went to Fayette Co., Ohio ( I am not sure if the George referred to in Fayette Co. Is the son or the Brother of Lambert above) (Information from Tim Kimmel of Fort Wayne & my correspondence with the descendants of the above sons of John ) 1850 Federal Census Microfilm #432-968 Pendelton County, Virginia (West Virginia) NAME AGE PLACE OF BIRTH Bowers Amanda 25 Virginia Bowers Amanda S. 4 Virginia Bowers Amos 2 Virginia Bowers Ann E. 2 Virginia Bowers Charles 7 Virginia Bowers Christian S. 27 Virginia Bowers Christina 69 Virginia Bowers Elizabeth 28 Virginia Bowers Henry 1 Virginia Bowers Ishmael 10 Virginia Bowers Jacob 33 Virginia Bowers John 27 Virginia Bowers John 4 Virginia Bowers John, Jr. 34 Virginia BOWERS JOHN,Sr. 63 PENNSYLVANIA (Born in Pa ca 1787) Bowers Lavina 5 Virginia Bowers Leah 25 Virginia Bowers Lucinda 8 Virginia Bowers Martha E. 5 Virginia Bowers Mary 24 Virginia Bowers Mary S. 4/12 Virginia Bowers Morgan C. 9 Virginia Bowers Phoebe 7 Virginia Bowers William A. 8/12 Virginia Also, on this census we have One William KIMMEL age 24 3 KEMBLE & about 20+ KELLER with the oldest listed as John born in Pennsylvania age 62 Is KELLER another variation of Kimmel in records? Kemble & Kimble are a variation of Kimmel. Some of the first names of the Keller group are known first names of Kimble/Kimmels of that time. There are no KIMBLEs listed in Pendelton County for this census I find this interesting as I know there were many in this area as well as in the adjoining county of Grant/Hardy. What are some of the unusual variations of the Kimmel name that you have seen in documents? Has Keller ever been used for a Kimmel? I know that some of the Kimmels on this list have other family names that are also associated with our Kimble/Kimmel line in Va/WVa . 1. Shook 2. Shirk 3. Synder 4. Kreider (Crider) 5. Miller (Muller) 6. Bower(s) (Bauer) 7.Site/Seitz 8.Judy Who on this list can make connections to these names through their Kimmel Line. Please let me know what your Kimmel line is also. I think that not everyone on this list has connected to the main Kimmels in Pa that the majority seems to come from. Perhaps our Va Line might be related to a Pa line. Betty Jane Kimble mountroyal@erols.com

--part1_79.3276fd2.2630c37b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Skip down to the KIMMEL listings. These are from Husband Cemetery in Somerset Co. PA. If I were smarter I'd know how to eliminate all the extra names but I'm old and don't have to learn. Jan --part1_79.3276fd2.2630c37b_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <SOMGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (rly-yd04.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.4]) by air-yd02.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:58:17 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.30]) by rly-yd04.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:57:36 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00988; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:56:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: tomnagy@nauticom.net Thu Apr 20 11:56:07 2000 Message-Id: <200004201855.OAA15538@pgh.nauticom.net> From: "TLN" <tomnagy@nauticom.net> Old-To: SOMGEN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:54:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Subject: [SOMGEN] Husband Cemetery J - M Resent-Message-ID: <K_YpBC.A.hN.NL1_4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: SOMGEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: SOMGEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <SOMGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3815 X-Loop: SOMGEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SOMGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com 342 JACOBY, Estella M. 1898 1920 513 JOHNSON, Elizabeth Naylor 1884 1924 33 JONES, James A. 1846 1906 G.A.R. 137 JONES, Thomas 9-13-1840 3-7-1915 138 JONES, Priscilla wife 2-22-1843 10-23-1913 541 KAM, Charles R. 4-5-1875 11-15-1928 Spanish American 239 KAMMERER, Mary G. 1874 1920 8 KANTER, John F. 1860 1926 682 KANTER, John H. 10-28-1825 4-6-1901 683 KANTER, Emily O. 4-6-1834 7-8-1909 684 KANTER, Edward S. 1865 1925 685 KANTER, Nora S. No dates 686 KANTER, Samuel H. 5-7-1853 7-31-1911 687 KANTER, J. Ralph 4-19-1889 6-4-1932 688 KANTER, John F. 10-31-1880 Aged 88-8-17 689 KANTER, Sarah consort of John F. 4-11-1858 Aged 58-7-0 690 KANTER, Charlesa 1819 1896 691 KANTER, Mary S. 1821-1912 692 KANTER, Cornelia W. 1842 1923 148 KARNS, Charles J. 1889 1920 431 KECK, Henry F. 1892 1929 478 KEEFER, Anna D. 1878 1932 110 KEEFER, Nora B. 1871 1926 111 KEEFER, Wm. E. 1864 1900 649 KEFFER, Edmund M. 1891 1913 650 KEFFER, Jonas M. 1843 1912 651 KEFFER, Clarke S. 1888 1913 158 KEMP, Charles J. s/o C.H.& D.B. 1-22-1908 4-13-1909 158a KEMP, Charles W. 5-17-1874 9-4-1937 411 KENNELL, Ralph C. 1898 1918 W.W.I 452 KNNY, Daisy B. 1876 1919 88 KIEFFER, Catherinne Long aged 27-5-0 9-1861 w/o D.J. & H. 89 KIEFFER, Daniel J.H. 1-3-1826 1-14-1905 90 KIEFFER, Catherine L. 1841 1932 "Mother" 91 KIEFFER, Margaret M. Aged 23-3-26 9-26-1898 d/o D.J.&L.C.. 201 KIFER, Emma E. 1873 1918 424 KIFER, Rebecca 1843 1924 425 KIFER, John 1849 1920 9 KIMMEL, Emily J. 7-2-1889 Aged 55-9-8 10 KIMMEL, Dr. Edmund M. Aged 57-6-16 10-13-1883 "Father" 11 KIMMEL, Dr. Edmund Jr. 12-4-1864 4-3-1897 12 KIMMEL, Mary Belle 10-11-1833 7-20-1891 615 KIMMEL, H.S., M.D. 1857 1932 616 KIMMEL, Sarah S. wife 1859 1920 291 KISYER, Mary E. 1846 1922 348 KNEE, Daniel S. 1830 1908 G.A.R. 349 KNEE, Hulda wife 1831 1911 479 KNEPPER, Edmund B. 1877 1926 470 KNEPPER, Emma W. 10-13-1867 10-23-1932 471 KNEPPER, Norman B. 9-28-1862 9-18-1930 128 KNEPPER, Henry F. 1-19-1839 11-2-1922 G.A.R. 129 KNEPPER, Margaret wife 9-10-1837 12-31-1907 596 KNEPPER, Nettie B. 1881 1915 597 KNEPPER, Sebina Smith 1845 1900 353 KNUPP, Elias L. 1838 1917 354 KNUPP, Harriet 1841 1914 398 KNUPP, Hiram 1854 1933 399 KNUPP, Sadie B. 1863 1932 495 KOONTZ, Elizabeth 1-13-1860 4-4-1930 496 KOONTZ, Peter 3-10-1857 12-24-1926 493 KOONTZ, Harvey L. 5-23-1892 7-3-1917 86 KOONTZ, Dr. W.C. 4-1-1849 2-24-1886 250 KRAMER, Frances A. 1907 1928 241 LAFFERTY, Clayton O. 1894 1930 W.W.I 242 LAFFERTY, James C. 1861 1926 243 LAFFERTY, Emma J. wife 1865 19 437 LAFFERTY, George E. 1860 1924 438 LAFFERTY, Anna B. 1862 1929 248 LAFFERTY, Mary E. d/o C.A.&E 1821 1924 472 LAKEL, Martha 1851 1923 445 LAMBERT, Carrie L. 3-31-1862 3-19-1925 446 LAMBERT, John A. 1-17-1854 11-25-1925 448 LAMBERT, Staniford L. 9-15-1887 12-5-1927 413 LAMBERT, William D. 1883 1928 435 LAMTERSON, Sarah B. 4-5-1850 1-28-1918 405 LANDIS, Mary A. 1857 1930 418 LANDIS, Uriah J. 1858 1930 419 LANDIS, Amanda 1860 1918 119 LAPE, Charles 1861 19 120 LAPE, Sara C. wife 1869 19 364 LAPE, Laran V. w/o Harry 1899 1918 492 LARMON, John W. 1870 1927 386 LICHTY, Christian 5-1-1852 Aged 44-6-28 387 LICHTY, Franka consort of Joseph 11-28-1844 Aged 71-3-5 388 LICHTY, Joseph 4-19-1847 Aged 88-5-28 389 LICHTY, Jacob 4-27-1863 Aged 65 390 LICHTY, Catherine consort of Jacob 1-27-1858 Aged55-8-3 391 LICHTY, Mary consort of J.H. 12-4-1867 Aged 33-0-11 75 LINT, Julia G. 1816 1901 76 LINT, Gillian 1806 1892 77 LINT, William H. 1846 1887 78 LINT, Cornelia S. 1839 1845 79 LINT, Emily O. 1841 1842 80 LINT, Osmond G. 1854 1855 404 LOHR, Amelia 11-29-1865 4-28-1928 476 LOHR, Helena A. 1872 1920 260 LOHR, Lincoln A. 1862 19 261 LOHR, Savilla E. 1867 19 262 LOHR, George D. 1892 1928 W.W.I 502 LOHR, Minnie Aa. 1881 1928 574 LONG, Milton 1858 1909 357 LOUTHER, Dr.. J.M. No dates G.Aa.Rr. 521 LOWRY, Miriam Scott 1898 1923 233 MANGES, Harry R. 6-21-1885 3-30-1933 571 MANGES, Howard 1869 1918 188 MARSHALL, Thomas R. 1844 1916 189 MARSHALL, Margaret H. 1852 1909 190 MARSHALL, Nellie M. 1882 1916 278 MARTEENY, Charles E. 9-20-1883 5-25-1930 279 MARTEENY, Lydia J. 12-9-1852 6-3-1922 280 MARTEENY, George W. 11-12-1856 11-14-1925 281 MARTEENY, Mary M. 10-15-1861 12-28-1932 408 MARTEENY, Chauncey S. 10-5-1887 12-9-1918 173 MARTEENY, Sadie E. Baker 1861 1913 72 MARTEENY, William 10-18-1843 1-25-1910 73 MARTEENY, Lavina E. 1-13-1862 12-19-1929 74 MARTEENY, William H. 9-1-1894 12-31-1918 254 MARTIN, Cordia Yorty 1897 1929 302 MARTZ, Laura P. 1861 1925 303 MARTZ, Hannibal L. 1862 1931 133 MASON, Freeman W. 8-23-1846 9-25-1914 134 MASON, Sarah wife 11-5-1853 5-12-1932 205 MATTHEWS, Mary Jane 1852 1929 206 MATTHEWS, W. Scott 1850 1926 207 MATTHEWS, Lloyd R. 1879 1905 324 McCUNE, Grace L. 1883 1920 325 McCUNE, Alexander L. 1873 1920 215 McFARLAND, Annie w/o Walter 3-30-1904 Aged 37-8-6 34 McKENZIE, George A. 1825 1909 G.A.R. 144 McMIILLAN, Mary 1852 1925 145 McMILLAN, Samuel J. 1848 1922 108 McQUADE, Alverda 9-6-1904 170 MENSER, Henry J. 7-20-1864 6-15-1915 514 MEYERS, Henrietta 1875 1915 397 MEYERS, Mary M. 10-27-1869 1-25-1933 255 MEYERS, Norman W. 1853 1928 256 MEYERS, Louise J. wife 1851 1928 207 MILLER, Alma Matthews 1878 1930 216 MILLER, Charles 6-30-1816 1--11-1896 217 MILLER, Johanna 10-31-1828 4-14-1902 414 MILLER, Daniel 1836 1916 415 MILLER, Mary Lichty 1841 1929 670 MILLER, Jacob D. 1809 1893 671 MILLER, Barbara 1814 1884 672 MILLER, Eli 10-4-1837 1-23-1919 673 MILLER, Joseph 1-21-1836 5-18-1862 G.A.R. 674 MILLER, Christian J. 10-8-1843 10-25-1904 318 MILLER, Maaggie 1865 1925 396 MILLER, William A. 12-27-1849 3-9-1919 153 MILLER, Williaam H. 3-18-1833 478 MILLER, Alverta P. 1897 1924 306 MONNNAHAN, John T. 1870 1926 676 MORGAN, Jesse L. 1880 1924 67 MORGAN, Joseph A. 9-19-1903 Aged 20-4-20 400 MOORE, Emanuel 1865 1930 577 MOORE, Morton H. 8-29-1888 4-6-1907 602 MORRISON, Clarence E. 5-15-1889 4-15-1909 s/o WL & ME 609 MUSSER, Amanda Pritts 1-2-1894 Aged 58-7-12 ==== SOMGEN Mailing List ==== The Somerset County PAGW website is located at http://www.rootsweb.com/~pasomers/index.htm. 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Thanks for the address, Pam. I'm back in touch with Betty. Happy Easter to everyone from Mexico. Patty At 11:15 PM 4/19/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 04/19/2000 6:34:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >coleman@cuer.laneta.apc.org writes: > ><< Somehow I have a message from BETTY JEAN KIMBLE that does > not have her e.mail address. Hope someone can send it to me because I need > to ask her some questions. >> > >I believe Betty Jean's e-mail address is: Mountroyal@erols.com > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > > >

I have found the name as Bower, Bowers & Bauer. I will do some more research but I have a feeling thatMary Bowers was the daughter of John Bower who was a brother of Mathias. Thank you very much - - - Bill "Allan T. Kimmell" wrote: > I find a Mary Bowers, who m. William Kimmell in Stark Cio., Ohio on Jan. 7, > 1819. William d. in Richland Co., Ohio-- reportedly from a kick from a > horse. ( He was a farrier) > Mary, & several children moved on to Williams Co., Ohio. > That doesn't sound like an answer to your query, but I think she is a > Bowers--not Bower. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PamChowdr2@aol.com> > To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 10:08 PM > Subject: [KIMMEL] Re:Kimmel/Bowers > > > In a message dated 04/17/2000 2:27:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > wschwart@micron.net writes: > > > > << If anyone has information on John Kimmel who married Eliza Bowers >> > > > > The Bowers name rang a bell, but I just ran through my my surname list and > no > > luck. I have several "Bower" surnames that are connected to various > Kimmels, > > but no "Bowers". > > > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall > >

I have found the name as Bowers, Bower & Bauer but mostly as Bower. They were probably born in the early 1830's. Eliza Bower was born in Ohio but I don't know where John Kimmel was born. I would appreciate any information that you may have. Thanks - - - - Bill PamChowdr2@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 04/17/2000 2:27:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > wschwart@micron.net writes: > > << If anyone has information on John Kimmel who married Eliza Bowers >> > > The Bowers name rang a bell, but I just ran through my my surname list and no > luck. I have several "Bower" surnames that are connected to various Kimmels, > but no "Bowers". > > ~ Pamela (Kimmel) Westfall