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Michael Diveley's birth date : Oct 14, 1787 Berlin, PA death date: July 10, 1840 Berlin, PA It is the death location of Julianna (Schwartz) Diveley that I had reflected as Salisbury, Chariton Co. MO. (I might have gotten this information from G. Putt) Does anyone know for sure where Julianna is buried?

I would appreciate it if I could get the Birthday of Michael Diveley - Thanks ---- Bill Wm Schwartz wrote: > I think you are right - Thanks - - - Bill > > DebbyBliss@aol.com wrote: > > > wschwart@micron.net wrote: > > > > <> > > > > My understanding of the message was that it was Michael Jr. (b 1828) that > > died in MO. His biography was for Jackson Co., MO. > > > > Debby

I think you are right - Thanks - - - Bill DebbyBliss@aol.com wrote: > wschwart@micron.net wrote: > > <> > > My understanding of the message was that it was Michael Jr. (b 1828) that > died in MO. His biography was for Jackson Co., MO. > > Debby

Michael Diveley Jr. died November 19, 1901 in Kansas City, MO I have his obituary. Michael L. Diveley----- Original Message ----- From: <DebbyBliss@aol.com> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [KIMMEL] Michael & Juliana Schwartz Diveley to MO? Death by Indians of E... > wschwart@micron.net wrote: > > <> > > My understanding of the message was that it was Michael Jr. (b 1828) that > died in MO. His biography was for Jackson Co., MO. > > Debby > >

Oops. I had what Bill wrote on the screen when I sent the email. I don't know what happened. I'll try again. Sorry I messed it up. wschwart@micron.net wrote: I am sure that that Michael and Juliana Schwartz Diveley are buried at Salisbury. When I was there I was looking for the headstone of Jacob Schwartz (and found it). It didn't look for their graves. Where the idea of them being buried in Missouri came from was (after they were dead) the family got bounty land there. I will study your message and see if I can come up with any thing else. ------ My understanding of the message was that it was Michael Jr. (b 1828) that died in MO. His biography was for Jackson Co., MO. Debby

wschwart@micron.net wrote: <> My understanding of the message was that it was Michael Jr. (b 1828) that died in MO. His biography was for Jackson Co., MO. Debby

I am sure that that Michael and Juliana Schwartz Diveley are buried at Salisbury. When I was there I was looking for the headstone of Jacob Schwartz (and found it). It didn't look for their graves. Where the idea of them being buried in Missouri came from was (after they were dead) the family got bounty land there. I will study your message and see if I can come up with any thing else. Thanks - - - Bill KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > Interesting, the idea that these folks might be buried in MO. Do you have a > note about where in MO? All I have is "Salisbury PA" on both of them > (Michael & Juliana Schwartz Diveley.) > > For Edward Diveley born 7/13/1818, m. 6/13/1847 (no place given) to Eliza > Sterner, died 6/14/1867 in Cedar County MO. according to my notes "Per Jack > Schell. Believed killed by Indians in Missouri while trying to locate bounty > tract belonging to Lydia Diveley Hazelbarth and William Diveley (siblings) > after 29 June 1855. > > >From the "George genealogies" "Killed by Indians while crossing the plains." > > Q re Gayle Putt different dates and spouses. Maybe different Edward? > > Anyway, 1867 doesn't sound overly likely for getting scalped by Indians but > I'm not sure where Cedar County is. (Surely does sound like the Lyons KS > story though my recollection is one was Schwartz and the other Diveley?) > But then I don't see how he could get killed "after 1855" and then have a > specific DOD in 1867. So probably I garbled something. Anybody have more > specific info on this? > > Jan

Your records as far as I can recall agree with mine, I will do same research and get back to you. Sarah Pyle Schwartz is buried at the cemetery (Kimmel-Elkville) near Elkville which is across the road from where she lived. After her first husband Edward died she married his older brother George. George is buried in the same cemetery as Sarah and Edward is buried at the McElvain cemetery near DuQuoin. I have been to both cemeteries and have pictures of their headstones. My great grandfather was Horatio. Horatio and his family moved to Idaho in 1881 and I have a picture of their log house on the Lemhi River above Salmon with Mary and her husband Robert McElvain when they were visiting.from Illinois - - - Bill KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > The "George genealogies" have Edward Schwartz Sr (3/14/1800-9/13/1843) > marrying Sarah Pyle, born 10/24/1807-7/12/1895. I have a/the same? Sarah > Pyle with the same dates marrying his brother George Schwartz. Presumably > this means that both brothers married the same woman. Since Edward Sr died > relatively young, I guess that's not so unlikely, just didn't know if my > facts were correct. DOM for 2d marriage is 1845. > > For children of this first marriage I have: > > William Schwartz > Edward Schwartz Jr. > Isabelle Schwartz Kimmel m. Joseph Kimmel > Eliza Schwartz Kimmel m. Philip Kimmel > Horatio Schwartz > Josiah Schwartz > Hiram Schwartz > Elizabeth Schwartz > > Children I have for Sarah Pyle Schwartz Schwartz and George Schwartz are > > Samuel Schwartz > Mary A. Schwartz McElwain > > Edward Sr. is s/o Jacob Schwartz Sr and Catherine Kimmel. d/o J. George > Kimmel and Juliana Ruby. > > The two Schwartz sisters married two Kimmel brothers, according to my > records, which come from the George genealogies but which are somehow > garbled. Isabelle married Joseph and Eliza married his brother Philip. > Both Kimmels somehow are supposed to be sons of "Henry--Abe" whatever that > may mean. Maybe somebody can straighten me out. > > Jan T

Thank you - - - Bill DebbyBliss@aol.com wrote: > Jan T wrote: > > >> Isabelle Schwartz Kimmel m. Joseph Kimmel > Eliza Schwartz Kimmel m. Philip Kimmel > > The two Schwartz sisters married two Kimmel brothers, according to my > records, which come from the George genealogies but which are somehow > garbled. Isabelle married Joseph and Eliza married his brother Philip. > Both Kimmels somehow are supposed to be sons of "Henry--Abe" whatever that > may mean. Maybe somebody can straighten me out. << > > At Tim's web page these men are: > Joseph Kimmel AC-BFDD > Philip Kimmel AC-BFDG > > They are sons of Henry Kimmel and Maria Rosina Geeting, Henry s/o Abraham > Kimmel and Elizabeth Heiple, Abraham s/o Philip Kimmel (1724-1796) and Anna > Christina Henn. > > Debby

Thank you very much - - - Bill "Michael L. Diveley" wrote: > Leonard Kimmel came to America in 1758, he was the father of Frederick who > was the father of Joseph who married Caroline Diveley, Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wm Schwartz <wschwart@micron.net> > To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:58 PM > Subject: [KIMMEL] ? > > > According to the material I have received the last 2 days. The > > husband of Caroline Diveley was Joseph Kimmel.and he had a nephew > > Frederick Kimmel whos wife was Elizabeth Yingling. Frederick was the > > son of Leonard Kimmel. From this I would assume that Leonard and Joseph > > were cousins. My question is who was the father of Leonard and Joseph > > and did Leonard and Joseph come from Germany together. > > Sorry to be so much trouble (Hope I am not all twisted up). > > Bill > > > >

Does any one have Kimmels that ended up in MI in late 1800's? Dawn

Leonard Kimmel came to America in 1758, he was the father of Frederick who was the father of Joseph who married Caroline Diveley, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Wm Schwartz <wschwart@micron.net> To: <KIMMEL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:58 PM Subject: [KIMMEL] ? > According to the material I have received the last 2 days. The > husband of Caroline Diveley was Joseph Kimmel.and he had a nephew > Frederick Kimmel whos wife was Elizabeth Yingling. Frederick was the > son of Leonard Kimmel. From this I would assume that Leonard and Joseph > were cousins. My question is who was the father of Leonard and Joseph > and did Leonard and Joseph come from Germany together. > Sorry to be so much trouble (Hope I am not all twisted up). > Bill > >

According to the material I have received the last 2 days. The husband of Caroline Diveley was Joseph Kimmel.and he had a nephew Frederick Kimmel whos wife was Elizabeth Yingling. Frederick was the son of Leonard Kimmel. From this I would assume that Leonard and Joseph were cousins. My question is who was the father of Leonard and Joseph and did Leonard and Joseph come from Germany together. Sorry to be so much trouble (Hope I am not all twisted up). Bill

I forgot to say that my great grandfather Schwartz, Horatio and Gayle Putts g.g grandfather were brothers, his name was Edward - - - Bill JDiveley@aol.com wrote: > I have this quote from a book on the history of Jackson County Missouri > regarding Michael Diveley, son of the above mentioned Michael Diveley. > " Was born in Somerset county, Pa., December 8, 1828, and is of German > descent. His father was a volunteer in the war of 1812, entering as captain, > soon afther was promoted lieutenant-colonel, and subsequently became > brigadier-general." > > I am decended through Michael & Julianna (Schwartz) Diveley's son Edward who > was killed 6/14/1867 by the Kaw Indiana (scalped) as he traveled the Santa Fe > Trail near Lyons Kansas. > > Charles Albert Diveley > Charles Raudabaugh Diveley > Gerry Warner Diveley > Julie Diveley Townsend (me) > > If you should have any interesting facts regarding the schwartz family, > please forward them on to me. A cousin by the name of Gail Putt has given me > somethings, but you might have other stuff. > > Will be waiting to hear from you. > > Julie Diveley Townsend

Thanks for the information. I will do some research and try to put something together for you. I have corresponded with Gayle Putt quite often. I am sure that as a researcher you already know to double check the things you get from others. (Gayle told me that Michael Diveley and his wife Juliana Schwartz were buried in Missouri). I have you in my address book. - - - Bill JDiveley@aol.com wrote: > I have this quote from a book on the history of Jackson County Missouri > regarding Michael Diveley, son of the above mentioned Michael Diveley. > " Was born in Somerset county, Pa., December 8, 1828, and is of German > descent. His father was a volunteer in the war of 1812, entering as captain, > soon afther was promoted lieutenant-colonel, and subsequently became > brigadier-general." > > I am decended through Michael & Julianna (Schwartz) Diveley's son Edward who > was killed 6/14/1867 by the Kaw Indiana (scalped) as he traveled the Santa Fe > Trail near Lyons Kansas. > > Charles Albert Diveley > Charles Raudabaugh Diveley > Gerry Warner Diveley > Julie Diveley Townsend (me) > > If you should have any interesting facts regarding the schwartz family, > please forward them on to me. A cousin by the name of Gail Putt has given me > somethings, but you might have other stuff. > > Will be waiting to hear from you. > > Julie Diveley Townsend

Jan T wrote: >> Isabelle Schwartz Kimmel m. Joseph Kimmel Eliza Schwartz Kimmel m. Philip Kimmel The two Schwartz sisters married two Kimmel brothers, according to my records, which come from the George genealogies but which are somehow garbled. Isabelle married Joseph and Eliza married his brother Philip. Both Kimmels somehow are supposed to be sons of "Henry--Abe" whatever that may mean. Maybe somebody can straighten me out. << At Tim's web page these men are: Joseph Kimmel AC-BFDD Philip Kimmel AC-BFDG They are sons of Henry Kimmel and Maria Rosina Geeting, Henry s/o Abraham Kimmel and Elizabeth Heiple, Abraham s/o Philip Kimmel (1724-1796) and Anna Christina Henn. Debby

Interesting, the idea that these folks might be buried in MO. Do you have a note about where in MO? All I have is "Salisbury PA" on both of them (Michael & Juliana Schwartz Diveley.) For Edward Diveley born 7/13/1818, m. 6/13/1847 (no place given) to Eliza Sterner, died 6/14/1867 in Cedar County MO. according to my notes "Per Jack Schell. Believed killed by Indians in Missouri while trying to locate bounty tract belonging to Lydia Diveley Hazelbarth and William Diveley (siblings) after 29 June 1855. >From the "George genealogies" "Killed by Indians while crossing the plains." Q re Gayle Putt different dates and spouses. Maybe different Edward? Anyway, 1867 doesn't sound overly likely for getting scalped by Indians but I'm not sure where Cedar County is. (Surely does sound like the Lyons KS story though my recollection is one was Schwartz and the other Diveley?) But then I don't see how he could get killed "after 1855" and then have a specific DOD in 1867. So probably I garbled something. Anybody have more specific info on this? Jan

The "George genealogies" have Edward Schwartz Sr (3/14/1800-9/13/1843) marrying Sarah Pyle, born 10/24/1807-7/12/1895. I have a/the same? Sarah Pyle with the same dates marrying his brother George Schwartz. Presumably this means that both brothers married the same woman. Since Edward Sr died relatively young, I guess that's not so unlikely, just didn't know if my facts were correct. DOM for 2d marriage is 1845. For children of this first marriage I have: William Schwartz Edward Schwartz Jr. Isabelle Schwartz Kimmel m. Joseph Kimmel Eliza Schwartz Kimmel m. Philip Kimmel Horatio Schwartz Josiah Schwartz Hiram Schwartz Elizabeth Schwartz Children I have for Sarah Pyle Schwartz Schwartz and George Schwartz are Samuel Schwartz Mary A. Schwartz McElwain Edward Sr. is s/o Jacob Schwartz Sr and Catherine Kimmel. d/o J. George Kimmel and Juliana Ruby. The two Schwartz sisters married two Kimmel brothers, according to my records, which come from the George genealogies but which are somehow garbled. Isabelle married Joseph and Eliza married his brother Philip. Both Kimmels somehow are supposed to be sons of "Henry--Abe" whatever that may mean. Maybe somebody can straighten me out. Jan T