Hi Trying to get list together for you, I'm trying to update my sources. I'll send you a descendants chart, (4 Generations). Joe K.

I would like to have all of his descendants if possible. I have his wife and children - - Thanks - - - - - Wm Schwartz - 10 Village Circle - Garden Valley, Idaho 83622 "Timothy W. Kimmel" wrote: > William... > > Do you want just the children, or all descendants? His wife and > children appear listed with their birth dates on a family document on my > images web page at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Images.htm (see Nich001 > Nicholas). > > --Tim Kimmel > ====================== > > Wm Schwartz wrote: > > > If you have a list of the descendents of Nicholas Kimmel born 1728 > > please send it to me. > > > > William Schwartz > > 10 Village Circle > > Garden Valley, Idaho 83622 > > > > wschwart@micron.net

William... Do you want just the children, or all descendants? His wife and children appear listed with their birth dates on a family document on my images web page at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Images.htm (see Nich001 Nicholas). --Tim Kimmel ====================== Wm Schwartz wrote: > If you have a list of the descendents of Nicholas Kimmel born 1728 > please send it to me. > > William Schwartz > 10 Village Circle > Garden Valley, Idaho 83622 > > wschwart@micron.net

If you have a list of the descendents of Nicholas Kimmel born 1728 please send it to me. William Schwartz 10 Village Circle Garden Valley, Idaho 83622 wschwart@micron.net

I would appreciate getting the pedigree's of the descendants of Nicholas Kimmel b. 19 September 1728. What I have came from E. R. Stoner M.D. of Berlin, Somerset Co. PA that was done 1n 1936 and I can't be sure I am getting it right. Thanks, William Schwartz 10 Village Circle Garden Valley, Idaho 83622

Dear Kimmel Cousins: Some of you asked me to write about our October visit to the villages of our ancestors. Much has been written by others but I will attempt to fulfill my promise. Craig and I arrived at Stuttgart three days before the friends we were neeting arrived at Frankfurt. We spent part of that time visiting Gimbsheim, Eich, and Alsheim. Each village is unique. Our perceptions of them follow: Eich is right on the Rhein River. You can catch a ferry to or from the east side of the river there (and we did). It appeared to us to now be a busy, growing suburb of Worms, nearby historical city, which is adding industrial areas and trucking traffic to the ancient attraction created by 4 worthy cathedrals. We visited an interesting old Reformed Church in Eich but the person we talked with there spoke no English and we could gain little information about the old church and grounds. It appeared to have date from our Kimmel ancestor's time, at least in part. From Tim Kimmel's website: "Eich Reformed Church records have the birth and baptism dates for all of the children of Johann Michael's son, Johann Philip and some detail on Johann Michael's brother, Johann Georg. Johann Philip's wife, Anna Elizabeth Volz was born in Eich and both her birth and death records are here." It would have been ideally suited to be a port of departure for agricultural products of the area. Next, we went up the road about 4 miles to Gimbsheim. Gimbsheim appears to be smaller and quieter, more agricultural now, in the present day, than Eich - perhaps because it is located a bit further from commercial areas. There is a lovely old Reformed Church there. Though we found it locked when we tried to go on two occasions, the third time a lady on a bicycle, married to the pastor, offered to open it for us. She spoke English but had to leave almost immediately, so we could only learn that it was 150 years old. I now wonder if she was referring to a restoration. Perhaps someone on the list knows the answer or the Gimbsheim historical book would say. It has obviously been recently painted inside in the old decorative manner and is very beautiful. If the present building is not old (by European standards), we thought the site may have once been the home of an older church. It was surrounded by a stone wall with large buttresses. We walked through the unlocked wooden gate in the stone wall and up several steps to the church, which was seated high above the surrounding neighborhood. There was an old Catholic Church in town, as well. We didn't visit it because of parking problems. The streets are narrow and houses are right next to the street, so bicycles work better than cars there. We drove from the church to the Rhein (about 1 mile east) -- saw fields of sugar beets, which had just been harvested and were piled beside the road. On one trip there, we saw a group of seniors on bicycles on an outing, perhaps a picnic beside the river or just enjoying the fall colors which were spectacular. There were 25 or 30 happy bicyclers in the group. We walked through the cemetery and found only recent gravesites, as described by previous visitors. On our third visit we found the City Hall open. The administrator was there and I was able to communicate that I wanted to buy a copy of the Gimbsheim history book, which I did. She said the Mayor (?) was on holiday so there was no one to show us around. From the Kimmel Record website: "Gimbsheim Reformed Church records include references to Hans Conrad Kimmel and his children, Johann Michael, Johann Georg and Anna Catharina. The 1732 marriage of Johann Michael to Anna Elizabeth Hartmann is here. So is the record of Johann Michael's death in Gimbsheim in 1734." We took some pictures, imagined we could identify Frau Helwig's Gustehaus and the city history cellars, and headed west across a the valley to a lovely little village on the hillside, Alsheim. "Alsheim Reformed Church records include references to Hans Conrad Kimmel and his children, Johann Michael, Johann Georg and Anna Catharina. The 1732 marriage of Johann Michael to Anna Elizabetha Hartmann is here, So is record of Johann Michael"s death in Gimbsheim in 1734." The hills around the village of Alsheim are covered with grapevines and the town is especially charming, with wineries throughout and a couple of interesting restaurants. We found the city hall locked and didn't really try to talk to anyone there but just enjoyed the area. There were almost always people waiting for the trains that run though the wine country, low on the hillside of villages. The grapevines continue south for many miles and we received information at the visitor center in Worms which designated this as a main wine-producing area. We noticed that there is a rooster on the top of the steeple of each Reformed Church and assumed that has to do with the awakening of the reformation. The only other reference I can think of is Peter's denial of Christ "three times before the cock crowed". Perhaps someone can tell me the meaning of this symbolism for sure. My thanks to all who so kindly sent me maps and instructions to help us find our way, interesting places to visit and things to do. You pointed the way and greatly benefited our vacation time in Germany. Janet Christie Janet Christie

I agree, Deb. It appears Bittinger confused the two. --Tim ========== DebbyBliss@aol.com wrote: > On 10-2-00 Tim Kimmel wrote: > <> > > Sorry to be so slow with this. The Brethren Encyclopedia on page 797 has an > entry for George Adam Martin. It states, "He was raised to the ministry by > Beissel, although he was married (to Mary Knepper) and the father of many > children." > > It is my belief that Emmert Bittinger mixed up George Adam Martin and Philip > Kimmel. > > Debby

On 10-2-00 Tim Kimmel wrote: <> Sorry to be so slow with this. The Brethren Encyclopedia on page 797 has an entry for George Adam Martin. It states, "He was raised to the ministry by Beissel, although he was married (to Mary Knepper) and the father of many children." It is my belief that Emmert Bittinger mixed up George Adam Martin and Philip Kimmel. Debby

Tim, I'm finally putting together some of the pieces of the puzzle. Here is what I have for Charles Wesley Kimmel, son of William, grandson of Jacob, etc. Gloria Gloria J. Bowser Snyder, ( Somerset Co., PA 1948), d/o > William E. Bowser, ( Somerset Co., PA 1926) s/o > Emma Fisher Bowser, ( Somerset Co., PA 1898-1980 PA) d/o > Lulu Kimmel Fisher, ( Somerset Co., PA 1873 - 1916 PA) d/o > Charles Wesley Kimmel, (PA 1845 - 1911 KS ?) s/o William Kimmel, ( PA 1819 - 1885 PA) s/o > Jacob Kimmel, (PA 1782 - 1855 PA) s/o > Johann Jacob Kimmel, (1757 - 1824) s/o > Johann Philip Kimmel, (GER 1724 - 1796 PA) s/o > Johann Phillip Kimmel, (GER 1695-1777 PA) s/o > Johann Michael Kimmel GER Descendants of Charles Wesley Kimmel Generation No. 1 1. CHARLES WESLEY10 KIMMEL (WILLIAM9, JACOB8, JOHANN JACOB7, JOHANN PHILIP6, JOHANN PHILIP5, JOHANN MICHAEL4, HANS KONRAD3 KIMMELL, KONRAD2, KONRAD1) was born 1845, and died 02 Sep 1911. He married (1) LYDIA LENHART, daughter of BENJAMIN LENHART and ELIZAN FLICK. She was born 1851, and died 02 Feb 1897. He married (2) MARY A. JONES 25 Dec 1901 in Somerset Twp., daughter of WILLIAM JONES and ANN SHAW. She died 17 Mar 1930 in Somerset, PA. Children of CHARLES KIMMEL and LYDIA LENHART are: > 2. i. AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, b. 22 Oct 1873, Somerset Co., PA; d. 26 > Nov 1957, White Cross Hospital, Columbus, OH. > ii. RUSSELL KIMMEL, b. 1874. > iii. MARY KIMMEL, b. 1876. > iv. ARVILLA KIMMEL, b. 1878 m. Eiler (Eyler?) > v. WILLIAM H. KIMMEL, b. 1880. > vi. CHARLES William KIMMEL. > vii. ELLIS R. KIMMEL, b. 1882; d. 02 Oct 1883, At age 9 mos. 2 > days. > viii. GEORGE KIMMEL. > ix. JOHN D. KIMMEL, b. 1886. > x. LOTTIE KIMMEL. > xi. HULDA GRACE KIMMEL, b. 1889; m. UNKNOWN BETTS. > 3. xii. ROY SYLVESTER KIMMEL, b. 1891; d. 1929. > xiii. BESSIE KIMMEL, b. 1893; m. UNKNOWN BARBER. > xiv. NELLIE KIMMEL. > xv. EDNA BERTHA KIMMEL. > > > Generation No. 2 > > 2. AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL (LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER > LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 22 Oct 1873 in Somerset Co., > PA, and died 26 Nov 1957 in White Cross Hospital, Columbus, OH. She > married ALEXANDER FISHER 1893 in Somerset, PA , son of JOSEPH FISHER and > SUSAN QUEER. He was born 11 Aug 1873 in Somerset Co., PA, and died 04 Sep > 1956 in Friedens, Somerset Co., PA. > > Children of AGATHA KIMMEL and ALEXANDER FISHER are: > i. MARY BELLE6 FISHER, b. 09 Jul 1894, Berlin, Somerset Co., > PA; d. 16 Aug 1894, Garrett, Somerset Co., PA. > ii. FRANK RUSSELL FISHER, b. 05 Jul 1895; d. 21 Apr 1960. > iii. EARL BRYAN FISHER, b. 17 Sep 1896; d. 14 Aug 1974. > 4. iv. EMMA ELIZABETH FISHER, b. 02 Oct 1898, Garrett, Somerset > Co., PA; d. 06 Jul 1980, Berlin, Somerset Co., PA. > v. EDITH PEARL FISHER, b. 21 Jan 1900; d. 07 Jul 1995; m. > CHARLES W. YORTY, Dec 1921. > 5. vi. MILDRED ALTHEA FISHER, b. 11 Nov 1904. > vii. GRACE MARGARET FISHER, b. 23 Aug 1906; d. 18 Jun 1990. > viii. ELWOOD HENRY FISHER, b. 27 Mar 1908; d. 30 Mar 1993. > ix. RALPH ELLIS FISHER, b. 28 Apr 1910. > x. LOTTIE MAY FISHER, b. 27 Jan 1912. > xi. JOHN WILLIAM FISHER, b. 28 Jul 1913; d. 01 Jun 1974. > xii. RUTH ALVERDA FISHER, b. 22 Jan 1915. > > > 3. ROY SYLVESTER5 KIMMEL (LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN > PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 1891, and died 1929. > He married ALDA BOWSER, daughter of WILLIAM BOWSER and SARA CLAYCOMB of > Bedford Co, PA. She was born 11 Nov 1895, and died 12 Jul 1977 in Berlin, > Somerset Co., PA. > > Children of ROY KIMMEL and ALDA BOWSER are: > 6. i. CLYDE6 KIMMEL, b. 1919. > 7. ii. MARY KIMMEL, b. 1921. > > > > Generation No. 3 > > 4. EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER (AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN > FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 02 > Oct 1898 in Garrett, Somerset Co., PA, and died 06 Jul 1980 in Berlin, > Somerset Co., PA. She married DAVID ROSS BOWSER in Somerset Co., PA, son > of WILLIAM BOWSER and SARA CLAYCOMB of Bedford Co., PA. He was born 30 > Oct 1892 in Cessna, Bedford Co., PA, and died 17 Nov 1952 in Berlin, > Somerset Co., PA. > > Children of EMMA FISHER and DAVID BOWSER are: > 8. i. HELEN LOUISE7 BOWSER, b. 1918; d. 1983. > 9. ii. EVELYN MAE BOWSER, b. 1919. > 10. iii. KATHRYN BOWSER, b. 1921. > 11. iv. MARY BOWSER, b. 1922. > 12. v. DAVID ROSS BOWSER, JR., b. 1924, Berlin, Somerset Co., PA; > d. 1999, Allegheny General Hospital, Pittsburgh, PA. > 13. vi. WILLIAM EUGENE BOWSER, b. 1926, Berlin, Somerset Co., PA. > 14. vii. JOAN BOWSER, b. 1931, Berlin, Somerset Co., PA. > 15. viii. JACK EDWARD BOWSER, b. 1932, Berlin, Somerset Co., PA; d. > 1995, Bedford Co., PA. > 16. ix. KAY ANN BOWSER, b. 1937. > > > 5. MILDRED ALTHEA6 FISHER (AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN > FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 11 > Nov 1904. She married (1) UNKNOWN STAHL & (2) DANIEL J. LABUTTE, son of > DANIEL LABUTTE and EVELYN LA VOY. > > Children of MILDRED FISHER and UNKNOWN STAHL are: > i. MAY7 STAHL, m. UNKNOWN ZIMMER. > ii. WILLIAM STAHL. > iii. JUNE STAHL, m. UNKNOWN BAKER. > iv. KENNETH STAHL. > > > 6. CLYDE6 KIMMEL (ROY SYLVESTER5, LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, > JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 1919. He > married (1) HELEN SKIBO & (2) ANN SUTO WITZER. > > Children of CLYDE KIMMEL and HELEN SKIBO are: > i. ROY7 KIMMEL. > ii. TAMARA KIMMEL. > > > 7. MARY6 KIMMEL (ROY SYLVESTER5, LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, > JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 1921. She > married (1) WILLIAM HENRY & (2) KARL FERGUSON. > > Child of MARY KIMMEL and WILLIAM HENRY is: > 17. i. BARBARA7 HENRY. > > > Generation No. 4 > > 8. HELEN LOUISE7 BOWSER (EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER, AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, > LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN > PETER1 LENHART) was born 1918, and died 1983. She married (1) WILLIAM > WALTERS & (2) HARVEY CAMERON. He was born 1922, and died 1970. > > Children of HELEN BOWSER and WILLIAM WALTERS are: > 18. i. LOIS ARLENE8 WALTERS. > 19. ii. DORIS "JEAN" WALTERS. > > > 9. EVELYN MAE BOWSER (EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER, AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, > LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN > PETER1 LENHART) was born 1919 in Ohio. She married JAY SCHROCK. He was > born 1917 in Somerset Co., PA, and died 1975 in Latrobe, PA. > > Children of EVELYN BOWSER and JAY SCHROCK are: > i. JOANNE8 SCHROCK. > ii. JANET SCHROCK. > iii. JON SCHROCK. > > > 10. KATHRYN 7 BOWSER (EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER, AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, LYDIA4 > LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 > LENHART) was born 1921. She married (1) EARL DEANER & (2) ALFRED > CHRISTNER . > > Children of KATHRYN BOWSER and EARL DEANER are: > 20. i. BEVERLY8 DEANER, > 21. ii. SUSAN E. DEANER, b. 1945; d. 1986. > > > Child of KATHRYN BOWSER and ALFRED CHRISTNER is: > 22. iii. DAVID8 CHRISTNER. > > > 11. MARY7 BOWSER (EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER, AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, LYDIA4 > LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN PETER1 > LENHART) was born 1922. She married ELMER LEECY, son of ANTHONY LEECY. > He was born 1920, and died 1975. > > Children of MARY BOWSER and ELMER LEECY are: > i. ELMER LEECY8 JR., > ii. DONNA ANN LEECY,; m. HERBERT WEBER. > 23. iii. BRENDA LEECY, b. > iv. RONALD LEECY, b. > > > 12. DAVID ROSS 7 BOWSER, JR. (EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER, AGATHA LULU5 > KIMMEL, LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., > JOHANN PETER1 LENHART) was born 1924 in Berlin, Somerset Co., PA, and > died 1999 in Allegheny General Hospital, Pittsburgh, PA. He married > PEGGY ELLEN POORBAUGH. > > Children of DAVID BOWSER and PEGGY POORBAUGH are: > 24. i. KAREN8 BOWSER, > 25. ii. CAROL JEAN BOWSER, > iii. SANDY KAY BOWSER, > 26. iv. DEBRA ANN BOWSER, > v. DAVID BOWSER JR., > 27. vi. JONI MARIE BOWSER, > vii. CINDY LOU BOWSER, > > > 13. WILLIAM EUGENE7 BOWSER (EMMA ELIZABETH6 FISHER, AGATHA LULU5 KIMMEL, > LYDIA4 LENHART, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN3, JOHANN PETER LENHART2 JR., JOHANN > PETER1 LENHART) was born 1926 in Berlin, Somerset Co., PA. He married > LOUISE JANET GLESSNER , daughter of WILLIAM GLESSNER and JULIA HUTZELL. > She was born in 1932 in Meyersdale, Somerset Co., PA. > > Children of WILLIAM BOWSER and LOUISE GLESSNER are: > 28. i. GLORIA JEAN8 BOWSER m. Glenn Snyder > ii. PATRICIA ANN BOWSER, > 29. iii. TOMALEE BOWSER, > 30. iv. WILLIAM EUGENE BOWSER III. > >

Thanks - He was a Dunkard minister. I don't know that he ever had a church at Zanesville but he did have churches in different parts of Ohio. Thanks again - - - - - Bill KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > Alas, I do not find Samuel French White in the ministerial list volume. > Which doesn't mean he wasn't--it may just mean the BE folks didn't find him. > I also don't find a listing under "Zanesville" Ohio for a church, which might > mean that it's called something like Stony Creek or whatever. Or it might > mean he was United Brethren instead of Dunkard, and they're a different > denomination. Sorry. > > Jan T

Thanks for the corrections concerning Ted Kimmel-- I had wondered how he fit into the family but assumed that somehow he did. It's sad to lose someone so young, but he sounds like somebody to be proud of. Thanks for the information. Jan T

Alas, I do not find Samuel French White in the ministerial list volume. Which doesn't mean he wasn't--it may just mean the BE folks didn't find him. I also don't find a listing under "Zanesville" Ohio for a church, which might mean that it's called something like Stony Creek or whatever. Or it might mean he was United Brethren instead of Dunkard, and they're a different denomination. Sorry. Jan T

Your web site didn't come up - - - - Bill CaptDNK@aol.com wrote: > Dear Jan and Tim. > > It's interesting seeing some of the information about my direct family in my > e-mail yesterday and today. I also was surprised when I saw my brother Ted, > mentioned, and his wife Jo. > > There were 4 brothers in my family and I'm the oldest and brother Ted was the > youngest. In order to state who my ancestors are, I'll list them from Johann > Philip Kimmel followed by his son by the same name, then Jacob, Ludwig, > Tobias, Samuel, then my father Harry Oscar Kimmel 1892-1948.For more > information about us you may view my Web Site at http://members.aol/captdnk . > > Theodore Ecroyd Kimmel (note spelling of ECROYD) was born 3-30-1929 and was > killed in an airplane crash in Madagascar on 5-11-1965. Ted's wife you have > correct. She is a minister today in a Methodist Church in the Phoenix area. > Her full name is Joann Stuckey Kimmel. She has several college degrees and > later went back and got her theology degree, as did brother Ted earlier. > > Your information about Jo (she writes under the name of Jo Kimmel) authoring > the books mentioned is correct. However, she has authored a couple more books > since these two. > > Ted was asked by the Church World Service to head up their program in > Madagascar in the early 60's, and he was killed in a small airplane crash in > the northern mountainous region in 1965. Jo and their 3 daughters returned to > the States where Jo became an Instructor at Manchester College in Indiana. > > You can read the biographies of Ted and Jo in my Web Site. > > Sincerely, > > David N. Kimmel > captdnk@aol.com

Thanks for such a quick response and for all the information. Most of it was lost between generations. Bob Kimmell. At 11:01 AM 10/2/00 EDT, you wrote: >Yes, Brethren Encyclopedia has Arthur Vance Kimmell in the ministerial lists >and also gives him a full paragraph in the main part of the encyclopedia. > >In the ministerial lists BE has this: > > 'KIMMELL, ARTHUR VANCE (FGBC); 8-30-1880/5-27-1955; ord. 3-30-1902 at >Dayton, OH (p. 1902-03); min. term., ca. 1950; Lordsburg (LaVerne) CA )p >(1905 -08); Los Angeles CA, 1st (p. 1908-13; Whittier CA (p.1913-27); Los >Angeles CA, 2d (p.1927-30); Philadelphia PA , 1st (p & eld 1930-50?); >..." [citations given are all Brethren denominational publications]. > >As to abbreviations used above, "p" stands for pastor. His ministry >terminated about 1950. FGBC has to do with which branch of the Brethren >this Kimmell was a minister in, and I don't find the list of abbreviations >just yet. "eld" is elder. "min.term." means ministry terminated. > >However, in the main portion of BE on page 693 -694 Arthur Vance Kimmell is >given his own entry, and it has some very good genealogical information in it: > > "Kimmell, Arthur Vance (BC, FGBC) 1880-1955, pastor. Born Aug. 30 near >Pleasant Hill, OH, A V Kimmell was a grandson of Elias Teeter and a nephew of >R R Teeter. He joined the Brethren Church in Dayton, OH, in 1898, and was >ordained an elder there in 1902. Kimmell was pastor at Lordsburg (LaVerne) >CA 1905-08, while studying at Lordsburg (LaVerne) College. Between 1908 and >1930 he was pastor of congregations he helped establish at Los Angeles (First >Brethren 1908, Second Brethren 1910) and Whittier (1913), CA. In this way >Kimmell as responsible for much of the early groowth of the Brethren Church >in southern California.... He was pastor at the First Brethren Church, >Philadelphia, 1930-ca1950. > >"Kimmell was moderator of General Conference (BC) in 1930. President of the >Foreign Missionary Society Board for many years, he also edited the Brethren >Missionary 1923-29. He was president of the Grace Seminary board from its >inception as the Brethren Biblical Seminary Assn in 1937. Kimmell resigned >as pastor at Philadelphia..... He died May 27 in Philadelphia. " > >Citations are mostly Brethren Church denominational stuff, but R L Howe's >History of a Church (1943) is also mentioned. > >BC stands for Brethren Church. FGBC presumably is the Grace Brethren >branch. (Brethren have had lots of splits.) > >Happy hunting. > > > >

Bill, Sorry, I did not have the right URL. It should have been http://members.aol.com/captdnk/ Dave Kimmel

When you have time would you please look up Samuel French White born in 1835 in Zanesville, Ohio. He served sever churches in different parts of Ohio. He is my great grandfather. - - - - Bill KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > I will be happy to check the ministerial lists to see what kind of > biographical information Brethren Encyclopedia gives on any Dunkard > (Brethren) pastor. > Of course, you know that many Dunkard ministers and their families tell jokes > on the topic of Dunkard ministers. When one old man said that his father > had been a Dunkard pastor, supposedly the response he received was something > like: "Well, so was my old man, but he finally found AA...." > > As to the Kimmels listed they are: > > Kimmel, Charles E 1884-1956 > Kimmel (Kimmell), David 1826-1897 (MINE!) > Kimmel, Harvey H, 1862-1953 > Kimmel, Homer D 1914 [-1999] > Kimmel, J T (no dates, but was address for Mishler OH in 1894.) > Kimmel, John A 1831-1898. > Kimmel, John M (1866-1958) > Kimmel, Joseph L 1856-1931 > Kimmel, Josiah R 1826-1897 > Kimmel, Josiah Regal, 1851-1917 > Kimmel, Lewis, 1836-1907 > Kimmel, Michael (1881 addr for Lanark IL) > Kimmel, Milton L, 1886-1965 > Kimmel, Myers P c1920 - > Kimmel, Theodor Acroyd 1929-1965 > Kimmell, Arthur Vance, 1880-1955. > > If anybody wants additional info on any of these folks, I will happily put > the cat out and then pass on what it says about any of the above. > > As to other Kimmels in the Brethren Encyclopedia "Lists" volume, there are > two amongst the authors: > > Kimmel, Jo 1931- "Steps to Prayer Power." Nashville TN, Abingdon Press. > "Stop Playing Pious Games, " Nashville TN, Abingdon Press 1974. 126 pp. > > Kimmel, John M. 1866-1958. "Chronicles of the Brethren, Comprising a Concise > History of the Brethren or Dunker Church from Its Organization in Europe in > AD 1708 to Its Separation in America in AD 1881 and the Subsequent History of > the OId German Baptist Church to and Including the Years AD 1900. Covington > OH, for the author by the Little Printing Co. 1951. 324 pp. reprinted by > Economy Printing Concern Inc. 1972. > > I know who John M. Kimmel was and how he fits into the family. He also > edited THE VINDICATOR and Old Order Brethren periodical. I don't know who > Jo Kimmel is, but her name appears as a citation re Theodore A. Kimmel, and > she may be the same person as Joan Stuckey Kimmel, his wife. > > John M. Kimmel has his own Brethren Encyclopedia entry on page 693, in > addition to appearing in the Lists volume. There are also individual entries > for Joseph L. Kimmel (page 693) and Lewis Kimmel (p 693), as well as Theodor > Acroyd Kimmel, same page. Also for Arthur Vance Kimmell (pp693-694). The > entry for Kimmel Family on page 693 is fairly brief, but a photo of an old > Kimmel farmhouse is on p 694. > > "Kimmel Family. The father of the American Kimmels is believed to be > Johann Michael Kimmel (1661-1734). A group of Kimmels arrived in > Philadelphia in 1751 on the St. Andrew, from Rotterdam via Cowes, England. > Their descendants spread out to W. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Ohio, Indiana, > Illinois, and Kansas, for the most part. Some members of the family joined > the Ephrata Community in the 18th century. This family has produced dozens > of ministers and educators. Lewis Kimmel was one of the first Brethren > ministers to attain college degrees; in 1874 he organized the Plum Creek > Normal School. J M Kimmel edited THE VINDICATOR and compiled the CHRONICLES > OF THE BRETHREN. Theodore A. Kimmel died in an airplane accident in > Madagascar 91965) while serving as a relief administrator. Kimmel family > members have been prominent in several Brethren denominations. GFB" > > Citations include (yes, of course) Austin Cooper's Brothersvalley book; R B > Strassburger and W J Hinke, eds., PIONEERS (1934) 1:457; COLONIAL AMERICA > (1967) index; W. PENNSYLVANIA (1916); KANSAS (1922). > > Happy Sunday evening. > > Jan T

Dear Jan and Tim. It's interesting seeing some of the information about my direct family in my e-mail yesterday and today. I also was surprised when I saw my brother Ted, mentioned, and his wife Jo. There were 4 brothers in my family and I'm the oldest and brother Ted was the youngest. In order to state who my ancestors are, I'll list them from Johann Philip Kimmel followed by his son by the same name, then Jacob, Ludwig, Tobias, Samuel, then my father Harry Oscar Kimmel 1892-1948.For more information about us you may view my Web Site at http://members.aol/captdnk . Theodore Ecroyd Kimmel (note spelling of ECROYD) was born 3-30-1929 and was killed in an airplane crash in Madagascar on 5-11-1965. Ted's wife you have correct. She is a minister today in a Methodist Church in the Phoenix area. Her full name is Joann Stuckey Kimmel. She has several college degrees and later went back and got her theology degree, as did brother Ted earlier. Your information about Jo (she writes under the name of Jo Kimmel) authoring the books mentioned is correct. However, she has authored a couple more books since these two. Ted was asked by the Church World Service to head up their program in Madagascar in the early 60's, and he was killed in a small airplane crash in the northern mountainous region in 1965. Jo and their 3 daughters returned to the States where Jo became an Instructor at Manchester College in Indiana. You can read the biographies of Ted and Jo in my Web Site. Sincerely, David N. Kimmel captdnk@aol.com

I guess that we are not the only ones who have cats that have trained us well- - - - - Bill KTompk7744@aol.com wrote: > I see I sent a paragraph of Greek when I thought my fingers were on the right > keys but weren't. My cat was helping me by pacing back and forth between me > and the screen because her catfood was "dusty," having been exposed to the > air for more than 15 minutes, and she wanted me to hurry up and earn my keep. > I'll look back at BE and see what it REALLY said in those paragraphs about > dividing.... > > Jan T

Tim, No, you're not a troublemaker, just an inquiring searcher after the facts. We need more questioning minds like yours. Jay Kimmel

--------------D347A3EFEEC522440E6EEC19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted a better version of the timeline at http://www2.fwi.com/~tkimmel/Spec-Stonycreek.htm for H. Austin Cooper's book '"Two Centuries of Brothersvally Church of the Brethren." The bracketed notes I had inserted in the first version was likely to be misleading, so I added more text from the book and separated other comments in a way to make it obvious they were my clarifications and not part of the book's text. I also added the second page from Edward Morgan's account of Stonycreek for which a copy of those pages of the manuscript appears in Cooper's book. The second version also has Cooper's credit to the Athenaeum Library in Boston for the loan of the Morgan Edwards manuscript. This is apparently where one can find the original manuscript. If you printed out the earlier version, you should probably replace it with this one so everyone is referring to exactly the same text in our discussions. I'm obviously going to have to get a copy of the Morgan Edwards manuscript. I'm certain that when Morgan Edwards wrote about Rev. George Adam Martin: "In the year 1762 he adopted the sentiments of the seventhday Baptists, and preached at Bermudian. From thence he went to Stonycreek this year." that by "this year" Edwards was referring to 1770, the year the manuscript was written, and not the 1762, the year Martin started preaching at Bermudian. Otherwise, Edwards would have written "that year" or "the same year." The membership list would be as of 1770 and not 1762, regardless of when Martin went to Stonycreek or when the congregation was officially organized; Edwards didn't say they were "original" members or members as of some earlier date, just that the "seventeen persons are baptized and may be considered constituents of this church." I acknowledge I'm assuming this without having seen the rest of the manuscript to see how the Stonycreek section relates to the rest and without having seen any of Edwards' other works -- including his assertion that Philip Kimmel married a daughter of William Knepper, (the reference from Emmert Bittinger that Jan Tompkins shared with us. Jan--do you think Emmert Bittinger might be mistaken about Philip Kimmel having married a daughter of William Knepper? Edwards in the manuscript referred to by Cooper writes that it was Elder Martin who "married one of the Knippers." ) Cooper's assertion that all of the member's at Stonycreek were there at 1762 appears to rest entirely on his interpretation of this one paragraph from Edwards' manuscript. Nothing else Cooper presents documents that any of the seventeen members other than Henry Roth/Rhoads were there by 1762. Evidence offered only prove that most of the members were there by 1770 and, in a couple cases, prove some were elsewhere in between these dates. --Tim Kimmel (Am I being a troublemaker? First I take issue with General Anthony Kimmel's account of the arrival in America of Philip Kimmel Sr and sons, and now I pick on H. Austin Co