There is just too many Kilgore's. I'm still going with the 5 from Kings Mountain. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: [KILGORE] part 3 > Note that this record states that Gabriel's father, Thomas Kilgore whose > birth date is given as ca1759 had 3 brothers one of whom was shot through > at the battle of King's Mountain-would seem to be referring to Robert > Kilgore. In Goodspeed's History of Arkansas-Columbia County. D. L. > Kilgore (Dawson Lea Kilgore s/o Gabriel Lea Kilgore) was included in their > biography section: > > **D. L. Killgore physician, represented Columbia Co in General Assembly of > AR b Robertson Co TN 1823, second child of Gabriel & Matilda (Moore) > Killgore natives of NC. Gabriel moved to TN where he m 1819. A planter > and slave owner and a resident of AR after 1850 until his death at 78, > representative of Union Co in State Legislature, but in 1860, until his > death in 1872, a resident of Columbia Co. Gabriel's father was Thomas > Killgore Revolutionary Soldier, in Battle of King's Mountain where his > brother was killed by his side. Gabriel's wife Matilda's father was Rev. > William Moore of the Old School Presbyterian Church. Matilda d 1876 at 82 > years. D. L. Killgore attended school TN, and at 21 years began study of > medicine at Holly Springs MS where his father had moved in 1823, graduated > from medical college Memphis, TN 1848-49, settled at Three Creeks, Union > Co AR until 1803, (??) moved to Magnolia until after the war, to a farm > six miles from Magnolia where he practiced u! > ntil 1883, after which he lived in Magnolia. Joined Confederate Army in > 1861, Captain of Columbia Guards, 6th Ark Reg of Infantry, later Major. > In 1862 he resigned and returned home, raising Sec Ark Volunteers, elected > Lieut Col was in battles of Farmington and Poison Springs, Mark's Mill and > other battles, surrendered his command at Magnolia. After the war to > purchase medicine he sold his gold watch in Shreveport La. Political > career followed. He m Mary Pearce of Ripley MS 1847. she was d/o Joseph > Pearce of Weakley Co TN. Children of D L and Mary: Pearce Killgore > physician; Dawson L. Killgore physician d 1866; Albert S. Killgore atty of > Magnolia. Pearce Killgore m Miss Bettie Farr of Magnolia. D. L. & Mary > were Methodists 1 7/27 > > > Note this entry states that Thomas Kilgore's brother was killed at King's > Mountain-would seem to be referring to the Hiram Kilgore listed by Judge > G. W. Kilgore. Question: Is this brother who was killed the same as the > one who was shot through? > Thomas Kilgore born c1759 h/o Phoebe Lea is listed with a brother named > Charles Kilgore who married Unice Lea in 1796 Orange Co NC. It is > believed that he was one of the two males listed in the 1786 NC state > census in the household of Lydia Kilgore age under 16 making him born no > earlier than 1770 and meaning he was about 10 when the battle of King's > Mountain took place in 1780. > > These assertions made by Gabriel Lea Kilgore and D. L. Kilgore his son > cast doubts on the 5 Kilgore brothers who purportedly came to America > c1763. We know that it was Charles Kilgore born 1740 who was at the > Battle of Kings Mountain not Charles Kilgore age 10 who later married > Unice Lea in 1796 Orange Co NC. It's my opinion that the 5 men named > Kilgore listed in the book found by G. W. Kilgore were presumed to be > brothers but not proven-indeed evidence seems to refute that. Note too > that we always presume that it was Robert Kilgore who married Winnie > Clayton who was the Robert Kilgore referred to as one of the 5 Kilgore > brothers and was the one who was shot through the body but survived. But, > what if we're wrong?? Maybe it was the Bob Kilgore who was listed in > 1797: > 1797-March 11 Cherokee Country TN:List of names and employments of men > residing in Cherokee country: Bob Kilgore "the worst of bad characters" > (p329 Tennessee Passports). > > We know nothing more about him and in fact it's a presumption that Bob was > a nickname for Robert-but what if this was in fact that Robert Kilgore who > was at King's Mountain? What if this was one of the 3 brothers of Thomas > Kilgore born c1759 who participated in the Rev. War and another was Hiram > who was killed??? What if the other names, James, William & Charles were > just that- names of men named Kilgore who were at the battle but weren't > brothers??? > > It's believed though not proven that Charles & Robert Kilgore were likely > the sons of a Robert Kilgore who was listed on 1750 tax list Granville Co > NC. Both he and William Kilgore were listed near each other on 1751 tax > list. Note: the name Thomas Kilgore does not appear on records so far > found in NC until 1764. The 1751 tax list appears to be fairly complete. > The 1755 tax list that Robert Kilgore appears on is believed to be a > fragment of the original list. He's listed as Robert Kilgore and two > sons -3.0 in 1755. It's my understanding that this means he had two sons > in his household who were 16-21 years old. If Charles Kilgore were his > son-he'd have been about 15 and shouldn't be either of the 2 males. I > strongly believe that Robert Kilgore his presumed brother was born before > Charles (evidence seems to support this) making him born before 1740 and > he could very well be one of the males 16-21 years old. I believe that > the other male was probably a Thomas Kilgore-! > probably the one who died in 1822 Robertson Co TN (whom I don't believe > was 110 years old-yes, I know, he was listed in newspapers in TN as being > 110 years at the time of his death and published in 1822 and his > grandchildren believed he was 110 but this was a time of no record keeping > and it's known that the Thomas Kilgore of 1822 was illiterate. I think > that he somehow came to believe that he was much older than he was and > that became a belief so strong that it was passed down as such and was > printed as such at the time). The available evidence just doesn't support > these believed facts about him. For instance, his supposed wife, Lydia > was listed as head of household in Orange Co NC in 1786 -this means she > was a widow-it doesn't mean that her husband was off in TN -if he was > living-he was still the landowner and still head of household whether he > was under their roof or in Timbukto he would still have been listed in > census records as the head of household. For instance,! > why isn't Thomas listed on the early tax records? This is never expl > ained by Thomas Kilgore's chief biographer, Evelyn Yates Carpenter. There > are other questions not raised by his biographer that don't add up; > however, I can't figure them out. I keep coming to the conclusion that > we're somehow missing something or more likely that there was more than > one Thomas Kilgore (which I believe and that there has been some confusing > of facts and people by us later researchers.) A male age 16-21 in 1755 > would have been born c1734-1739. The first time Thomas Kilgore appears in > records in NC is 1764 -if he was a male 16-21 in 1755 he'd have been no > older than 30 in 1764-about right to be listed on a road jury and > obtaining land by 1766 and to have a child born c1759. If he was in fact > born 1712-1715, he should have been getting land at about the same time as > Robert Kilgore and appearing on earlier tax records-but he wasn't. If he > was born c1712 he was 49 years old when Thomas was born-doesn't mean he > didn't marry very late and start a family quit! > e late but??? > > > > Vickie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >