Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend from his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA projects so can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get totally surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does not descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA does not match anyone at 37 markers. Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case anyone descends from them. John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa L Kilgore JE Kilgore GL Kilgore H Kilgore We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would be willing to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male Kilgores who are willing to be tested. Gladys Forgety In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. http://www.familytreedna.com/ There are two basic test. 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back hundreds of years) Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back hundreds of years) A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, with no influence of any females along that line. Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back hundreds of years) Women can not take this test. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So, if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas' lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? g On 9/9/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I > descend from > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA projects > so > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might > get totally > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does > not > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA > does > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case > anyone descends from them. > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > L Kilgore > JE Kilgore > GL Kilgore > H Kilgore > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would > be willing > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male Kilgores > who are willing to be tested. > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > > There are two basic test. > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > with no influence of any females along that line. > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > hundreds of years) > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is the John Kilgore who died without heirs in 1731 Chester Co PA-this man wasn't the f/o James Kilgore and whether he was the h/o Elspeth Howeson -I can't say-if he was then neither she nor any heirs was listed in his estate settlement. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA What about John Kilgore b.1660-1675 in Down Ireland Father of James William Kilgore Married Elspeth Howeson 1683-1726 Died 7 mar 1731 in Chester PA. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results<http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results> > > This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. > So, > if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how > would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell > Thomas' > lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would > Robert's > DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? > > g > > > On 9/9/08, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I >> descend from >> his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would >> prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA >> projects >> so >> can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might >> get totally >> surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does >> not >> descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA >> does >> not match anyone at 37 markers. >> >> Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case >> anyone descends from them. >> >> John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland >> Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga >> R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) >> James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa >> James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa >> L Kilgore >> JE Kilgore >> GL Kilgore >> H Kilgore >> >> We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if >> someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would >> be willing >> to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male >> Kilgores >> who are willing to be tested. >> >> Gladys Forgety >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes: >> >> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >> http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/> >> >> >> There are two basic test. >> >> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >> >> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >> with no influence of any females along that line. >> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >> hundreds of years) >> Women can not take this test. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think I'm going about this wrong. I've made my arguments why the Robert Kilgore in Orange Co NC isn't the same as the Robert Kilgore who married Margaret Spencer in 1743. What are your arguments supporting this claim? Sincerely, Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA I now suspect that there are 3 john Kilgores, 1760, 1770 and 1775. I think the 1775 one might be the best choice. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >I don't know-I'm not concerned with John Kilgore b.1670 because he's not my >ancestor. Robert Kilgore & Margaret Spencer can not be the parents of the >children listed for them; therefore, this is not the Robert Kilgore listed >in NC in 1750. It's a false lineage. > Sincerely, > Vickie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > Thanks Vicki, > Any suggestions on who should replace the John Kilgore b1670? > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > According to the wills James Kilgore died 1771 of Chester & Cumberland > > Counties PA & his wife Elizabeth Jack Kilgore who died in 1792, they > did > > not have a son named Charles whom we believe was the brother of Robert > (M: > > Winnie Clayton). They did have a son named Robert though. But if you > are > > referring to James Kilgore's father as the John Kilgore who died in > 1731 > > Chester Co PA-then you are again looking at misinformation. This line > > once believed this man John Kilgore was the f/o James Kilgore-but later > > researchers found that this man died an almost penniless pauper in 1731 > > with no heirs. His estate was inventoried because his lodging house > owner > > requested the court to sell this John Kilgore's effects to pay for his > > lodging and burial. If James Kilgore had been this man's son, he would > > have been obligated to assume his father's debts as his heir. This > wasn't > > the case. > > Sorry, Vickie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob > Shaw<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is > descended > > from > > James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living > > Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of > Nancy > > Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. > > Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William > > Kilgore. > > Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John > > Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. > > > > When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother > and 7 > > brother accounts to recon with. > > > > Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be > > > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > > fax 330 963 6858 > > cell 330 247 8543 > > phone 330 425 8819 > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > > > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/%3Chttp://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>>> > > To: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > > > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I > descend > > > from > > > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA > > would > > > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > > > projects so > > > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > > > totally > > > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line > > does > > > not > > > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples > > YDNA > > > does > > > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > > > > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in > > case > > > anyone descends from them. > > > > > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > > > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > > > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > > > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > > L Kilgore > > > JE Kilgore > > > GL Kilgore > > > H Kilgore > > > > > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially > if > > > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, > > would > > > be willing > > > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male > > Kilgores > > > who are willing to be tested. > > > > > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > writes: > > > > > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched > the > > > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/>>> > > > > > > > > > There are two basic test. > > > > > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > > > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > > hundreds of years) > > > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > > hundreds of years) > > > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > > > > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of > > their > > > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal > line, > > > with no influence of any females along that line. > > > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > > > hundreds of years) > > > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new > fashion > > > blog, > > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > > > > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>>>) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > with > > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > with the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > > message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message