I was just reading some of the posts I missed while sick. In one there was a question about a Cherokee connection. Let me tell you what I know on that. A physician/anthropologist told me many years ago that I was mostly Indian, specifically Choctaw and Cherokee. He could tell by specific physical traits, such as: bone structure, muscle attachments, muscle mass, sprung ribs, high red blood cell count, high pain threshold, etc. I laughed because at that time I thought I was only a tiny bit Indian. Silly me. I have since discovered that there were Indians on my mother and my father's family. Interestingly I discovered I have Indian feet. Nike makes a special running shoe for Indians but I can't get them, because I am not a government Indian. Yep, Nike practically gives them to Indians on reservations but won't sell them to those of us who do not. That sucks. What are Indian feet? You can see a picture of my feet on my blog (email me for address). But basically the traits are a very wide foot, narrow heal and high instep. Getting shoes that fit are extremely difficult. Moving on... The Kilgores I am familiar with were descendants of Robert Kilgore (abt 1740 NC) and Winifred Clayton (abt 1740 NC) who settled on the South Cumberland plateau of Tennessee. Many of them married Indians, most of which moved into the area with Dragging Canoe. Google him for details. Basically he was a pissed off chief that moved with 1000 braves and their families from VA/NC to TN in the late 1700s. They went to the Chattanooga TN area and eventually into Marion and Grundy Co TN. Some left during the removal (Trail of Tears) but many refused to go. During and after the removal, some moved into NE Alabama. Remember that during the removal, if you could pass as black or white, you could stay and keep your property. If you were obviously Indian then they took your property and imprisoned you. If part of the family was Indian then those individuals were removed. The federal troops, sent to Monteagle TN to remove the Indians (yep Kilgore ones), disappeared. Hummmm. The feds are still holding a grudge over that. :-) Dragging Canoe nor the Chikamaka have ever signed a treaty. I went to a meeting of the Chikamaka Cherokee. I can't tell you how weird it was to walk into a room full of strangers that looked like me. One guy said, "I knew you were family the minute you walked in the door." It was pretty obvious to me too. I am still collecting Kilgore related Cherokee applications from the early 1900s. I will include them in my Kilgore project data. Most of them were denied. That was just the federal procedure. Get an application. Deny it. They did not want the official Indian population to increase. They continue to have the same attitude. Did you know that the state of Tennessee doesn't recognize any Tennessee tribes? No kidding. It is just crazy and I suspect related to potential casino control. But I digress... Cousin Dennie

Cousin Dennie Quite a tail (of tears). My wife is part Indian but not those tribes. One of her ancestors was abducted by the Shawnee and escaped but was pregnant. Nancy Alleys sister. Nancy, my wife, is descended from Robert and Winifred too. Now I have either Scot or German feet. The 2nd toe is significantly longer than the big tow. Must make it better from hanging from trees? I know how you feel. I walked into a log cabin in Sutton West Virginia and expected to be shot. Till someone said " I don't know who he is but he is a Shaw". I am still trying to go back further on the Kilgore line and come forward with the Douglas line till they meet. Ain't we having fun? Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:31 PM Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore Indians >I was just reading some of the posts I missed while sick. > In one there was a question about a Cherokee connection. > Let me tell you what I know on that. > > A physician/anthropologist told me many years ago that I was mostly > Indian, specifically Choctaw and Cherokee. He could tell by specific > physical traits, such as: bone structure, muscle attachments, muscle > mass, sprung ribs, high red blood cell count, high pain threshold, etc. > I laughed because at that time I thought I was only a tiny bit Indian. > Silly me. I have since discovered that there were Indians on my mother > and my father's family. > > Interestingly I discovered I have Indian feet. Nike makes a special > running shoe for Indians but I can't get them, because I am not a > government Indian. Yep, Nike practically gives them to Indians on > reservations but won't sell them to those of us who do not. That > sucks. What are Indian feet? You can see a picture of my feet on my > blog (email me for address). But basically the traits are a very wide > foot, narrow heal and high instep. Getting shoes that fit are extremely > difficult. > > Moving on... > > The Kilgores I am familiar with were descendants of Robert Kilgore (abt > 1740 NC) and Winifred Clayton (abt 1740 NC) who settled on the South > Cumberland plateau of Tennessee. Many of them married Indians, most of > which moved into the area with Dragging Canoe. Google him for details. > Basically he was a pissed off chief that moved with 1000 braves and > their families from VA/NC to TN in the late 1700s. They went to the > Chattanooga TN area and eventually into Marion and Grundy Co TN. Some > left during the removal (Trail of Tears) but many refused to go. During > and after the removal, some moved into NE Alabama. > > Remember that during the removal, if you could pass as black or white, > you could stay and keep your property. If you were obviously Indian > then they took your property and imprisoned you. If part of the family > was Indian then those individuals were removed. > > The federal troops, sent to Monteagle TN to remove the Indians (yep > Kilgore ones), disappeared. Hummmm. The feds are still holding a > grudge over that. :-) Dragging Canoe nor the Chikamaka have ever > signed a treaty. > > I went to a meeting of the Chikamaka Cherokee. I can't tell you how > weird it was to walk into a room full of strangers that looked like > me. One guy said, "I knew you were family the minute you walked in the > door." It was pretty obvious to me too. > > I am still collecting Kilgore related Cherokee applications from the > early 1900s. I will include them in my Kilgore project data. > Most of them were denied. That was just the federal procedure. Get an > application. Deny it. They did not want the official Indian population > to increase. They continue to have the same attitude. > > Did you know that the state of Tennessee doesn't recognize any Tennessee > tribes? No kidding. It is just crazy and I suspect related to > potential casino control. But I digress... > > Cousin Dennie > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

That toe is supposed to be from Longshanks, Edward I or some king. You can tell that I don't remember exactly which one. My not so nice ex mother in law had that trait. Cousin Dennie Bob Shaw wrote: > Cousin Dennie > Quite a tail (of tears). > My wife is part Indian but not those tribes. One of her ancestors was > abducted by the Shawnee and escaped but was pregnant. Nancy Alleys sister. > Nancy, my wife, is descended from Robert and Winifred too. > Now I have either Scot or German feet. The 2nd toe is significantly longer > than the big tow. Must make it better from hanging from trees? > > I know how you feel. I walked into a log cabin in Sutton West Virginia and > expected to be shot. Till someone said " I don't know who he is but he is a > Shaw". > > I am still trying to go back further on the Kilgore line and come forward > with the Douglas line till they meet. > > Ain't we having fun? > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected] > [email protected] > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> > To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:31 PM > Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore Indians > > > >> I was just reading some of the posts I missed while sick. >> In one there was a question about a Cherokee connection. >> Let me tell you what I know on that. >> >> A physician/anthropologist told me many years ago that I was mostly >> Indian, specifically Choctaw and Cherokee. He could tell by specific >> physical traits, such as: bone structure, muscle attachments, muscle >> mass, sprung ribs, high red blood cell count, high pain threshold, etc. >> I laughed because at that time I thought I was only a tiny bit Indian. >> Silly me. I have since discovered that there were Indians on my mother >> and my father's family. >> >> Interestingly I discovered I have Indian feet. Nike makes a special >> running shoe for Indians but I can't get them, because I am not a >> government Indian. Yep, Nike practically gives them to Indians on >> reservations but won't sell them to those of us who do not. That >> sucks. What are Indian feet? You can see a picture of my feet on my >> blog (email me for address). But basically the traits are a very wide >> foot, narrow heal and high instep. Getting shoes that fit are extremely >> difficult. >> >> Moving on... >> >> The Kilgores I am familiar with were descendants of Robert Kilgore (abt >> 1740 NC) and Winifred Clayton (abt 1740 NC) who settled on the South >> Cumberland plateau of Tennessee. Many of them married Indians, most of >> which moved into the area with Dragging Canoe. Google him for details. >> Basically he was a pissed off chief that moved with 1000 braves and >> their families from VA/NC to TN in the late 1700s. They went to the >> Chattanooga TN area and eventually into Marion and Grundy Co TN. Some >> left during the removal (Trail of Tears) but many refused to go. During >> and after the removal, some moved into NE Alabama. >> >> Remember that during the removal, if you could pass as black or white, >> you could stay and keep your property. If you were obviously Indian >> then they took your property and imprisoned you. If part of the family >> was Indian then those individuals were removed. >> >> The federal troops, sent to Monteagle TN to remove the Indians (yep >> Kilgore ones), disappeared. Hummmm. The feds are still holding a >> grudge over that. :-) Dragging Canoe nor the Chikamaka have ever >> signed a treaty. >> >> I went to a meeting of the Chikamaka Cherokee. I can't tell you how >> weird it was to walk into a room full of strangers that looked like >> me. One guy said, "I knew you were family the minute you walked in the >> door." It was pretty obvious to me too. >> >> I am still collecting Kilgore related Cherokee applications from the >> early 1900s. I will include them in my Kilgore project data. >> Most of them were denied. That was just the federal procedure. Get an >> application. Deny it. They did not want the official Indian population >> to increase. They continue to have the same attitude. >> >> Did you know that the state of Tennessee doesn't recognize any Tennessee >> tribes? No kidding. It is just crazy and I suspect related to >> potential casino control. But I digress... >> >> Cousin Dennie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >