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    1. Re: [KILGORE] DNA
    2. Vickie Miller

    3. I don't know-I'm not concerned with John Kilgore b.1670 because he's not my ancestor. Robert Kilgore & Margaret Spencer can not be the parents of the children listed for them; therefore, this is not the Robert Kilgore listed in NC in 1750. It's a false lineage. Sincerely, Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Thanks Vicki, Any suggestions on who should replace the John Kilgore b1670? Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > According to the wills James Kilgore died 1771 of Chester & Cumberland > Counties PA & his wife Elizabeth Jack Kilgore who died in 1792, they did > not have a son named Charles whom we believe was the brother of Robert (M: > Winnie Clayton). They did have a son named Robert though. But if you are > referring to James Kilgore's father as the John Kilgore who died in 1731 > Chester Co PA-then you are again looking at misinformation. This line > once believed this man John Kilgore was the f/o James Kilgore-but later > researchers found that this man died an almost penniless pauper in 1731 > with no heirs. His estate was inventoried because his lodging house owner > requested the court to sell this John Kilgore's effects to pay for his > lodging and burial. If James Kilgore had been this man's son, he would > have been obligated to assume his father's debts as his heir. This wasn't > the case. > Sorry, Vickie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is descended > from > James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living > Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of Nancy > Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. > Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William > Kilgore. > Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John > Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. > > When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother and 7 > brother accounts to recon with. > > Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend > > from > > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA > would > > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > > projects so > > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > > totally > > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line > does > > not > > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples > YDNA > > does > > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in > case > > anyone descends from them. > > > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > L Kilgore > > JE Kilgore > > GL Kilgore > > H Kilgore > > > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, > would > > be willing > > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male > Kilgores > > who are willing to be tested. > > > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> writes: > > > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/>> > > > > > > There are two basic test. > > > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > hundreds of years) > > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > hundreds of years) > > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of > their > > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > > with no influence of any females along that line. > > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > > hundreds of years) > > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > > blog, > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>>) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    09/13/2008 06:24:11
    1. Re: [KILGORE] DNA
    2. Bob Shaw

    3. I now suspect that there are 3 john Kilgores, 1760, 1770 and 1775. I think the 1775 one might be the best choice. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >I don't know-I'm not concerned with John Kilgore b.1670 because he's not my >ancestor. Robert Kilgore & Margaret Spencer can not be the parents of the >children listed for them; therefore, this is not the Robert Kilgore listed >in NC in 1750. It's a false lineage. > Sincerely, > Vickie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > Thanks Vicki, > Any suggestions on who should replace the John Kilgore b1670? > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > According to the wills James Kilgore died 1771 of Chester & Cumberland > > Counties PA & his wife Elizabeth Jack Kilgore who died in 1792, they > did > > not have a son named Charles whom we believe was the brother of Robert > (M: > > Winnie Clayton). They did have a son named Robert though. But if you > are > > referring to James Kilgore's father as the John Kilgore who died in > 1731 > > Chester Co PA-then you are again looking at misinformation. This line > > once believed this man John Kilgore was the f/o James Kilgore-but later > > researchers found that this man died an almost penniless pauper in 1731 > > with no heirs. His estate was inventoried because his lodging house > owner > > requested the court to sell this John Kilgore's effects to pay for his > > lodging and burial. If James Kilgore had been this man's son, he would > > have been obligated to assume his father's debts as his heir. This > wasn't > > the case. > > Sorry, Vickie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob > Shaw<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM > > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is > descended > > from > > James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living > > Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of > Nancy > > Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. > > Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William > > Kilgore. > > Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John > > Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. > > > > When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother > and 7 > > brother accounts to recon with. > > > > Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be > > > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > > fax 330 963 6858 > > cell 330 247 8543 > > phone 330 425 8819 > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > > > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > To: > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > > > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I > descend > > > from > > > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA > > would > > > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > > > projects so > > > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > > > totally > > > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line > > does > > > not > > > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples > > YDNA > > > does > > > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > > > > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in > > case > > > anyone descends from them. > > > > > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > > > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > > > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > > > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > > L Kilgore > > > JE Kilgore > > > GL Kilgore > > > H Kilgore > > > > > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially > if > > > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, > > would > > > be willing > > > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male > > Kilgores > > > who are willing to be tested. > > > > > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > writes: > > > > > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched > the > > > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > > > > http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/>> > > > > > > > > > There are two basic test. > > > > > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > > > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > > hundreds of years) > > > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > > hundreds of years) > > > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > > > > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of > > their > > > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal > line, > > > with no influence of any females along that line. > > > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > > > hundreds of years) > > > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new > fashion > > > blog, > > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > > > > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>>) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > with > > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > with the > > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > > message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    09/13/2008 12:18:28