Define FULL. Some of the ships were supply ships with only a few passengers. I was bragging that I have 2 ancestors that came over on the Mayflower. My wife said that hers were already over here waiting on them. She was right. One of her ancestors came over on a ship in 1608. I think there are books you can purchase with passemger lists of later dates? > My mother's paternal family came over on their own ships. They owned a > big shipping company. > But I digress... > Were the 53 ships full of pilgrims? > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> Yes there is a list of ships and passengers for the early pilgrims from >> 1608 >> to about 1635. >> I have a copy of those. >> Did you know there were 53 ships that came over before the Mayflower?? >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> >> To: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] part 3 >> >> >> >>> In the time that these Kilgores or earlier ones came to America, it >>> wasn't >>> required that ships maintain passenger lists. It was the discretion of >>> the ship's captain to keep them or not-this was especially true in >>> Southern ports. That's why passenger lists as a source are hit and >>> miss. >>> Until they actually became required, most persons coming to America >>> weren't listed on any passenger lists or in any ports or any that >>> survived >>> until today. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Sherry Arnold<mailto:[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] part 3 >>> >>> >>> Vickie, thank you for taking your time to catch us new comers up on >>> past >>> research, I certainly appreciate it. >>> >>> Has anyone ever found any of these early Kilgores on a ship's passenger >>> list? >>> And do we have access to a record of departure lists from Ireland??? >>> >>> Sherry >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gail Kilgore" >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 5:30 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] part 3 >>> >>> >>> > Bob and others, >>> > >>> > Please remember that back when Addington wrote his book, >>> documentation >>> was >>> > not as readily available as it is today. >>> > >>> > This book has been picked apart by this group searching the Kilgore >>> name >>> > and >>> > have proven the information invalid. >>> > >>> > This is what Vicky is trying to say. >>> > >>> > This is also why the wrong information keeps getting printed as valid >>> > solid >>> > documentation when, in fact, it is wrong. >>> > >>> > Not to start an argument but to try and settle the truth, Bob what do >>> you >>> > have as solid in hand documentation of what you have found rather >>> than >>> > what >>> > some other researcher has said? >>> > >>> > Heck, I can say that my husband's line of Kilgore's were first >>> cousins >>> of >>> > Mary Queen of Scots but saying it and proving it is totally two >>> different >>> > things. >>> > >>> > I can also say, any new shred of information found on any of the >>> lines >>> > finds >>> > it way to this list, so this group of researchers can almost call >>> their >>> > work >>> > the "Gospel". >>> > >>> > Gail >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> with >>> the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with >>> the >>> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >