Cousin Dennie, I truly enjoyed your 'Kilgore Indians' piece, thank you for sharing. Hope you are feeling well, you sound GREAT!!! Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore Indians > That toe is supposed to be from Longshanks, Edward I or some king. You > can tell that I don't remember exactly which one. > My not so nice ex mother in law had that trait. > Cousin Dennie > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> Cousin Dennie >> Quite a tail (of tears). >> My wife is part Indian but not those tribes. One of her ancestors was >> abducted by the Shawnee and escaped but was pregnant. Nancy Alleys >> sister. >> Nancy, my wife, is descended from Robert and Winifred too. >> Now I have either Scot or German feet. The 2nd toe is significantly >> longer >> than the big tow. Must make it better from hanging from trees? >> >> I know how you feel. I walked into a log cabin in Sutton West Virginia >> and >> expected to be shot. Till someone said " I don't know who he is but he >> is a >> Shaw". >> >> I am still trying to go back further on the Kilgore line and come forward >> with the Douglas line till they meet. >> >> Ain't we having fun? >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> >> To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:31 PM >> Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore Indians >> >> >> >>> I was just reading some of the posts I missed while sick. >>> In one there was a question about a Cherokee connection. >>> Let me tell you what I know on that. >>> >>> A physician/anthropologist told me many years ago that I was mostly >>> Indian, specifically Choctaw and Cherokee. He could tell by specific >>> physical traits, such as: bone structure, muscle attachments, muscle >>> mass, sprung ribs, high red blood cell count, high pain threshold, etc. >>> I laughed because at that time I thought I was only a tiny bit Indian. >>> Silly me. I have since discovered that there were Indians on my mother >>> and my father's family. >>> >>> Interestingly I discovered I have Indian feet. Nike makes a special >>> running shoe for Indians but I can't get them, because I am not a >>> government Indian. Yep, Nike practically gives them to Indians on >>> reservations but won't sell them to those of us who do not. That >>> sucks. What are Indian feet? You can see a picture of my feet on my >>> blog (email me for address). But basically the traits are a very wide >>> foot, narrow heal and high instep. Getting shoes that fit are extremely >>> difficult. >>> >>> Moving on... >>> >>> The Kilgores I am familiar with were descendants of Robert Kilgore (abt >>> 1740 NC) and Winifred Clayton (abt 1740 NC) who settled on the South >>> Cumberland plateau of Tennessee. Many of them married Indians, most of >>> which moved into the area with Dragging Canoe. Google him for details. >>> Basically he was a pissed off chief that moved with 1000 braves and >>> their families from VA/NC to TN in the late 1700s. They went to the >>> Chattanooga TN area and eventually into Marion and Grundy Co TN. Some >>> left during the removal (Trail of Tears) but many refused to go. During >>> and after the removal, some moved into NE Alabama. >>> >>> Remember that during the removal, if you could pass as black or white, >>> you could stay and keep your property. If you were obviously Indian >>> then they took your property and imprisoned you. If part of the family >>> was Indian then those individuals were removed. >>> >>> The federal troops, sent to Monteagle TN to remove the Indians (yep >>> Kilgore ones), disappeared. Hummmm. The feds are still holding a >>> grudge over that. :-) Dragging Canoe nor the Chikamaka have ever >>> signed a treaty. >>> >>> I went to a meeting of the Chikamaka Cherokee. I can't tell you how >>> weird it was to walk into a room full of strangers that looked like >>> me. One guy said, "I knew you were family the minute you walked in the >>> door." It was pretty obvious to me too. >>> >>> I am still collecting Kilgore related Cherokee applications from the >>> early 1900s. I will include them in my Kilgore project data. >>> Most of them were denied. That was just the federal procedure. Get an >>> application. Deny it. They did not want the official Indian population >>> to increase. They continue to have the same attitude. >>> >>> Did you know that the state of Tennessee doesn't recognize any Tennessee >>> tribes? No kidding. It is just crazy and I suspect related to >>> potential casino control. But I digress... >>> >>> Cousin Dennie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >