Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore line. But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. Bob Shaw wrote: > It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is > won't work? > The rest of her family has passed away. > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected] > [email protected] > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > >> Dear Cousins, >> RE: DNA >> >> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >> not >> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more of >> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the message >> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. If >> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >> the >> DNA program. >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> Dear Cousins, >> RE: DNA >> >> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >> my >> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >> weeks >> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so >> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >> best. >> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >> can >> reasonably afford. >> >> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >> >> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>> >>> >>> There are two basic test. >>> >>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>> hundreds of years) >>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>> hundreds of years) >>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>> >>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>> hundreds of years) >>> Women can not take this test. >>> >>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>> >>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>> better. >>> >>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>> registered on the site. >>> >>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> >>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>> >>> Accuracy >>> >>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>> >>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>> fertile. >>> >>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>> Her parents died without telling her. >>> >>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>> >>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>> discover more than they want to know. >>> >>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>> >>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>> accurate the group results. >>> >>> Clear as mud? >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> * >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It has to be a male with the Kilgore name, right??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore > line. > But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male > descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. > > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is >> won't work? >> The rest of her family has passed away. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >>> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >>> not >>> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more >>> of >>> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the >>> message >>> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >>> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >>> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >>> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. >>> If >>> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >>> the >>> DNA program. >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >>> >>> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >>> my >>> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >>> weeks >>> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and >>> so >>> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >>> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >>> best. >>> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >>> can >>> reasonably afford. >>> >>> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >>> >>> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> There are two basic test. >>>> >>>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>>> >>>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Women can not take this test. >>>> >>>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>>> >>>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>>> registered on the site. >>>> >>>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>>> >>>> Accuracy >>>> >>>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>>> >>>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>>> fertile. >>>> >>>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>>> Her parents died without telling her. >>>> >>>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that >>>> absolutely >>>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>>> >>>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>>> discover more than they want to know. >>>> >>>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>>> >>>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>>> accurate the group results. >>>> >>>> Clear as mud? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I will do that. But first. would someone kindly give me the "accepted" family tree (you can omit children for now) for Rev. Robert Kilgore's ancestors?? so I can update my tree. Thanks. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore > line. > But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male > descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. > > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is >> won't work? >> The rest of her family has passed away. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >>> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >>> not >>> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more >>> of >>> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the >>> message >>> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >>> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >>> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >>> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. >>> If >>> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >>> the >>> DNA program. >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >>> >>> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >>> my >>> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >>> weeks >>> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and >>> so >>> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >>> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >>> best. >>> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >>> can >>> reasonably afford. >>> >>> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >>> >>> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> There are two basic test. >>>> >>>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>>> >>>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Women can not take this test. >>>> >>>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>>> >>>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>>> registered on the site. >>>> >>>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>>> >>>> Accuracy >>>> >>>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>>> >>>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>>> fertile. >>>> >>>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>>> Her parents died without telling her. >>>> >>>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that >>>> absolutely >>>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>>> >>>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>>> discover more than they want to know. >>>> >>>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>>> >>>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>>> accurate the group results. >>>> >>>> Clear as mud? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >