For those of you like me who are not direct Kilgore paternal descendants, to view results, go to: (1) <The Kilgore DNA Project>, click on "Y Results" & you will get latest YDNA results on the participants & known ancestry (2) < johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/TMRCA.html> & you will get John's 2/8/08 posting of a wonderful table to help translate the raw results into meaningful groupings. We all owe the selfless individuals like Gail, Vickie, & John a debt of gratitude for their efforts to identify the major Kilgore branches & their septs or sub branches. Gail & Vickie have the patience of Job in answering the many (sometimes inane) questions from newbies like me. Jack T.

I've just posted a page with two new tables at : http://johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/R-TMRCA.html The second table is an update of the one I posted earlier, and includes those who have been tested since the last table. The first table is a genetic distance table, and in a way, it might be more useful for determining family branches, as it uses a hybrid rather than infinite mutation model. That means that it takes into account real world ways in which mutations occur, and gives a slightly more accurate idea of family grouping. I used only those who have at least 37 marker tests. I did not use any markers above 37. I used a 30 year generation model, and 75% probability. I'm sure this will generate a lot of questions - I will try to answer them to the best of my meager ability. We still need more data in order to make a tree with branches. The answers are beginning to seem tantalizingly close. JK

As promised, I've just posted a page with a new TMRCA table in years at : http://johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/TMRCA-Y.html Again, please bear in mind that this is essentially a very loose but educated guess based on an average generation of 30 years, which is probably on the high side, and an AVERAGE mutation rate. As you will see, the years are multiples of 30, so they all correspond to the generation table I posted earlier. This is not an exact science - the variables are the mutation rate which is not fixed (it can happen faster or slower - sometimes a lot faster or a lot slower,) and the time between generations, which is also not fixed.

This may horrify the geneticists, but I just posted a new table using the following experiment: I noticed in the y-results page that there are some mutations that are unique to an individual. That is, an a whole column of 11s, there will be one and only one 10. There are about 14 of these unique mutations that are clearly outliers, and not familial, at least not yet. It seemed to me that if I eliminated these oddballs, or rather changed the number to match all the others, and then ran them through the chart maker, it might show us better where the family groupings are. It certainly changes the genetic distance chart. Take a look and see if it lights any lightbulbs: http://johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/sport.html