FORWARDED MESSAGE! ----- Original Message ----- From: "otto & Carolyn Rabe" <freespirit@wwdb.org> To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [KILGORE] Fw: {not a subscriber} > Wow!!! That was really funny. We sure got a laugh out of that story because > we have a farm with a creek(drinking water supply) We go through all kinds > of rules & stuff & that really hit home!!! I have noticed beavers making > little dams too.(oh oh) We also have a tree that could be 800 years old !! > (We will never cut it down.) But can you imagine the things of HISTORY that > tree could tell us if it could talk? I was never into history until I > started this genealogy search. Now, I am in so interested in everything & > amazed what our ancestors went through just to survive. > Still no information on my Kilgore Ancestor but somewhere something will be > uncovered. Still digging!!! > Thank You again for the Story!! > Carolyn > Washington State > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Meyer Kilgore" <gkilgore@primenet.com> > To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 4:11 PM > Subject: [KILGORE] Fw: {not a subscriber} > > > > FORWARDED MESSAGE! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "linda bond" <lyndaka99@yahoo.com> > > To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:50 PM > > Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Fw: {not a subscriber} RE: [KILGORE] Test > > > > > > > Jim, > > > This was precious. Thanks for the laugh. > > > Linda Killgore Bond > > > --- Gail Meyer Kilgore <gkilgore@primenet.com> wrote: > > > > Forwarded Message! > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "James Killgore" <jkilgore@mediaone.net> > > > > To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:14 AM > > > > Subject: {not a subscriber} RE: [KILGORE] Test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all you Kilgore's out there. This is a test > > > > from the best looking > > > > > Kilgore man in 250 years. > > > > > Have a great day. > > > > > > > > > > attached is for your amusement. Jim :-)) > > > > > > > > > > The following is a genuine hoot. This was an > > > > actual letter sent to Ryan > > > > > DeVries from the Michigan Department of > > > > Environmental Quality, State of > > > > > Michigan. > > > > > Wait till you read this guy's response - but read > > > > the entire letter before > > > > > you get to the response. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Ryan DeVries > > > > > 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339 > > > > > SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. > > > > 20; > > > > > Montcalm County > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. DeVries > > > > > It has come to the attention of the Department of > > > > Environmental Quality > > > > that > > > > > there has been recent unauthorized activity on the > > > > above referenced parcel > > > > > of > > > > > property. You have been certified as the legal > > > > landowner and/or contractor > > > > > who did the following unauthorized activity: > > > > Construction and maintenance > > > > of > > > > > two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of > > > > Spring Pond. > > > > > A permit must be issued prior to the start of this > > > > type of activity. A > > > > > review of the Department's files shows that no > > > > permits have been issued. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, the Department has determined that this > > > > activity > > > > > is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and > > > > Streams, of > > > > > the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection > > > > Act, Act > > > > > 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections > > > > 324.30101 to > > > > > 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, > > > > annotated. > > > > > > > > > > The Department has been informed that one or both > > > > of the > > > > > dams partially failed during a recent rain event, > > > > causing > > > > > debris and flooding at downstream locations. We > > > > find that > > > > > dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and > > > > cannot be > > > > > permitted. The Department therefore orders you to > > > > cease and > > > > > desist all activities at this location, and to > > > > restore the > > > > > stream to a free-flow condition by removing all > > > > wood and > > > > > brush forming the dams from the stream channel. > > > > All > > > > > restoration work shall be completed no later than > > > > January > > > > > 31, 1998. > > > > > > > > > > Please notify this office when the restoration has > > > > been > > > > > completed so that a follow-up site inspection may > > > > be > > > > > scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with > > > > this request > > > > > or any further unauthorized activity on the site > > > > may result > > > > > in this case being referred for elevated > > > > enforcement action. > > > > > We anticipate and would appreciate your full > > > > cooperation in > > > > > this matter. Please feel free to contact me at > > > > this office > > > > > if you have any questions. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative > > > > Land and > > > > > Water Management Division > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > RESPONSE > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Price: > > > > > > > > > > Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20; > > > > Montcalm > > > > > County > > > > > > > > > > Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been > > > > handed to me > > > > > to respond to. > > > > > > > > > > First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal > > > > landowner > > > > > and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, > > > > Michigan. I am > > > > > the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the > > > > (State > > > > > unauthorized) process of constructing and > > > > maintaining two > > > > > wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my > > > > Spring > > > > > Pond. While I did not pay for, authorize, nor > > > > supervise > > > > > their dam project, I think they would be highly > > > > offended > > > > > that you call their skillful use of natural > > > > building > > > > > materials "debris." > > > > > > > > > > I would like to challenge your department to > > > > attempt to > > > > > emulate their dam project any time and/or any > > > > place you > > > > > choose. I believe I can safely state there is no > > > > way you > > > > > could ever match their dam skills, their dam > > > > > resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam > > > > persistence, > > > > > their dam determination and/or their dam work > > > > ethic. As to > > > > > your request, I do not think the beavers are aware > > > > that they > > > > > must first fill out a dam permit prior to the > > > > start of this > > > > > type of dam activity. > > > > > > > > > > My first dam question to you is (1) Are you trying > > > > to > > > > > discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or (2) > > > > do you > > > > > require all beavers throughout this State to > > > > conform to said > > > > > dam request? > > > > > > > > > > If you are not discriminating against these > > > > particular > > > > > beavers, through the Freedom of Information Act I > > > > request > > > > > completed copies of all those other applicable > > > > beaver dam > > > > > permits that have been issued. Perhaps we will see > > > > if there > > > > > really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland > > > > Lakes and > > > > > Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental > > > > > Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of > > > > 1994, being > > > > > sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan > > > > Compiled > > > > > Laws, annotated. > > > > > > > > > > I have several concerns. My first concern is -- > > > > aren't the > > > > > beavers entitled to legal representation? The > > > > Spring Pond > > > > > Beavers are financially destitute and are unable > > > > to pay for > > > > > said representation -- so the State will have to > > > > provide them > > > > > with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern > > > > that either > > > > > one or both of the dams failed during a recent > > > > rain event > > > > > causing flooding is proof that this is a natural > > > > occurrence, > > > > > which the Department is required to protect. In > > > > other words, > > > > > we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone > > > > rather than > > > > > harassing them and calling their dam names. If you > > > > want the > > > > > stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - > > > > please > > > > > contact the beavers - but if you are going to > > > > arrest them > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== KILGORE Mailing List ==== > > PLEASE NOTE: Addressing your mail to the list AND > > to a current subscriber results in that person receiving > > 2 copies of your message. > > > > > >