I will make a table in years, but it will be only a rough approximation of the years - NOT AT ALL EXACT. The picture changes considerably if you use different probabilities. 75% (a 3 in 4 chance) yields an accurate result for me, as I am separated by 7 generations from Thomas/Rebecca, but it may not be so accurate for others. Using a 95% probability results in much larger numbers, i.e. more generations/years back to the MRCA, and seems to be way too conservative. I'll post the link to the new chart as soon as I can get it done. JK On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:22 PM, Jack R. Templeton wrote: > John, > Thanks so much for your tables, especially your Genetic Distance > Table. I'm hoping to figure out how to hook up my printer so I can > create a hard copy easier than hand copying. I manually modified your > table to include only genetic distances 1 thru 4 & then color coded > each one. My next chore is to modify your "Generations to TMRCA" to > include only generations 4 thru 13 which will permit me to visualize a > rough guestimate of yrs to TMRCA. Your tables are making me think > outside the box. > > You're absolutely right that: > (1) Thos (151270) is closer to Chas (1740) than he is to either of the > James' (1760) > (2) You're also right on that Henry (131072) should probably be in the > Thos/Rebeca line rather than the James W. line > > Sherry, > You're reading the table right. 134024 & 134403 have a zero genetic > distance;i.e, they are a perfect match. > > Jack T. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

John, Thanks so much for your tables, especially your Genetic Distance Table. I'm hoping to figure out how to hook up my printer so I can create a hard copy easier than hand copying. I manually modified your table to include only genetic distances 1 thru 4 & then color coded each one. My next chore is to modify your "Generations to TMRCA" to include only generations 4 thru 13 which will permit me to visualize a rough guestimate of yrs to TMRCA. Your tables are making me think outside the box. You're absolutely right that: (1) Thos (151270) is closer to Chas (1740) than he is to either of the James' (1760) (2) You're also right on that Henry (131072) should probably be in the Thos/Rebeca line rather than the James W. line Sherry, You're reading the table right. 134024 & 134403 have a zero genetic distance;i.e, they are a perfect match. Jack T.

Sorry, but we do not all come from the "5 brothers". There may be half a dozen different Kilgores that came across the pond. I think there were other Kilgore's that fought at Kings Mountain and I know that there were more that fought other places in the Rev. War. Is anyone working on an actual family tree(s)? Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 330 425 8819 fax 330 963 6858 Engineered Special Products Inc. Product Engineer Adsco Line Products Inc. superchief87@roadrunner.com superchief87@yahoo.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Arnold" <sarnold77@verizon.net> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > Thanks John, I have learned a little!!! smiles I was 'thinking' the > larger > the number the closer the relation... WRONG!!! So that is a lesson > learned!!! I am fascinated by DNA but seem to have a mental block about > understanding it... But I guess "old dogs can learn new tricks" lol > > I LOVE our Kilgore site and will be glad when we all connect... For I > 'want' to believe that we all come from the 5 brothers legend... > Although, > it seems ALL lines have a multiple brothers tradition... smiles > > Sherry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:36 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > > >> The 0 means that the two are very closely related, so this confirms >> what you know. There is a link at the bottom of the chart that >> explains what the numbers mean - click on the one for 37 markers. >> >> The larger the number in the chart, the less closely related two kit >> numbers are. O-3 is most certainly related, 4 is probably related, 5 >> is possibly related, and 6 and above is ranging from very distant to >> absolutely not related. >> >> One note is that I have a couple of 6s, but people I am 3 away from >> are 3 away from my 6s, and I notice similar relations for others on >> the list. It appears that the James of Darlington District line has a >> higher then average rate of mutation. It would be interesting to see >> what FTDNA says about this. >> >> I made both of these charts with a fantastic web tool: >> >> http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html >> >> It was made for use by geneticists, but it's pretty darn useful for >> those trying to figure out how different lines are related. Like all >> statistical calculations, the results, particularly in the generation >> chart, are NOT precise, but close, and can show patterns that >> otherwise might have gone unnoticed. >> >> JK >> >> >> On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Sherry Arnold wrote: >> >>> John, I so don't undestand DNA but I am trying!!! I have written >>> down the >>> kit numbers that intersect and there is a zero between our number >>> 134024 and >>> 134403 who is Vickie's brother and we KNOW that we both come from >>> Charles b >>> 1740. Am I totally off base here??? I am reading it as you would >>> a mileage >>> chart??? >>> HELP!!! >>> >>> Sherry >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> >>> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >>> >>> >>>> Some observations, looking at the new charts: >>>> >>>> 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - >>>> it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of >>>> Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all >>>> related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. >>>> line. >>>> >>>> Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, >>>> rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., >>>> line. >>>> >>>> I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person >>>> who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your >>>> reasoning on the family grouping? >>>> >>>> JK >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks John, I have learned a little!!! smiles I was 'thinking' the larger the number the closer the relation... WRONG!!! So that is a lesson learned!!! I am fascinated by DNA but seem to have a mental block about understanding it... But I guess "old dogs can learn new tricks" lol I LOVE our Kilgore site and will be glad when we all connect... For I 'want' to believe that we all come from the 5 brothers legend... Although, it seems ALL lines have a multiple brothers tradition... smiles Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > The 0 means that the two are very closely related, so this confirms > what you know. There is a link at the bottom of the chart that > explains what the numbers mean - click on the one for 37 markers. > > The larger the number in the chart, the less closely related two kit > numbers are. O-3 is most certainly related, 4 is probably related, 5 > is possibly related, and 6 and above is ranging from very distant to > absolutely not related. > > One note is that I have a couple of 6s, but people I am 3 away from > are 3 away from my 6s, and I notice similar relations for others on > the list. It appears that the James of Darlington District line has a > higher then average rate of mutation. It would be interesting to see > what FTDNA says about this. > > I made both of these charts with a fantastic web tool: > > http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html > > It was made for use by geneticists, but it's pretty darn useful for > those trying to figure out how different lines are related. Like all > statistical calculations, the results, particularly in the generation > chart, are NOT precise, but close, and can show patterns that > otherwise might have gone unnoticed. > > JK > > > On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Sherry Arnold wrote: > >> John, I so don't undestand DNA but I am trying!!! I have written >> down the >> kit numbers that intersect and there is a zero between our number >> 134024 and >> 134403 who is Vickie's brother and we KNOW that we both come from >> Charles b >> 1740. Am I totally off base here??? I am reading it as you would >> a mileage >> chart??? >> HELP!!! >> >> Sherry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> >> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >> >> >>> Some observations, looking at the new charts: >>> >>> 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - >>> it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of >>> Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all >>> related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. >>> line. >>> >>> Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, >>> rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., >>> line. >>> >>> I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person >>> who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your >>> reasoning on the family grouping? >>> >>> JK >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The 0 means that the two are very closely related, so this confirms what you know. There is a link at the bottom of the chart that explains what the numbers mean - click on the one for 37 markers. The larger the number in the chart, the less closely related two kit numbers are. O-3 is most certainly related, 4 is probably related, 5 is possibly related, and 6 and above is ranging from very distant to absolutely not related. One note is that I have a couple of 6s, but people I am 3 away from are 3 away from my 6s, and I notice similar relations for others on the list. It appears that the James of Darlington District line has a higher then average rate of mutation. It would be interesting to see what FTDNA says about this. I made both of these charts with a fantastic web tool: http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html It was made for use by geneticists, but it's pretty darn useful for those trying to figure out how different lines are related. Like all statistical calculations, the results, particularly in the generation chart, are NOT precise, but close, and can show patterns that otherwise might have gone unnoticed. JK On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Sherry Arnold wrote: > John, I so don't undestand DNA but I am trying!!! I have written > down the > kit numbers that intersect and there is a zero between our number > 134024 and > 134403 who is Vickie's brother and we KNOW that we both come from > Charles b > 1740. Am I totally off base here??? I am reading it as you would > a mileage > chart??? > HELP!!! > > Sherry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > > >> Some observations, looking at the new charts: >> >> 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - >> it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of >> Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all >> related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. >> line. >> >> Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, >> rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., >> line. >> >> I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person >> who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your >> reasoning on the family grouping? >> >> JK >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Some observations, looking at the new charts: 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. line. Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., line. I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your reasoning on the family grouping? JK

John, I so don't undestand DNA but I am trying!!! I have written down the kit numbers that intersect and there is a zero between our number 134024 and 134403 who is Vickie's brother and we KNOW that we both come from Charles b 1740. Am I totally off base here??? I am reading it as you would a mileage chart??? HELP!!! Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > Some observations, looking at the new charts: > > 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - > it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of > Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all > related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. > line. > > Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, > rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., line. > > I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person > who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your > reasoning on the family grouping? > > JK > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've just posted a page with two new tables at : http://johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/R-TMRCA.html The second table is an update of the one I posted earlier, and includes those who have been tested since the last table. The first table is a genetic distance table, and in a way, it might be more useful for determining family branches, as it uses a hybrid rather than infinite mutation model. That means that it takes into account real world ways in which mutations occur, and gives a slightly more accurate idea of family grouping. I used only those who have at least 37 marker tests. I did not use any markers above 37. I used a 30 year generation model, and 75% probability. I'm sure this will generate a lot of questions - I will try to answer them to the best of my meager ability. We still need more data in order to make a tree with branches. The answers are beginning to seem tantalizingly close. JK

Karen, I apologize for not being more specific. That first referenced site is a summary provided by the site administrator which provides (1)"raw results" for each person tested, (2) their kit numbers & (3) their most recent known ancestors. The administrator also grouped those raw results into three major Kilgore branches each of which he considers having a relatively close genetic link. Those individuals tested can also refer to their personal page @ familytreedna.com & compare themselves to others who are a match or close match.If one has a match to a person with the same given surname of at least 34/37, you can be reasonably sure that you. share a common ancestor. Since those results are not available to those of us who can't be tested, the best we can hope for is to hopefully find someone in the data base with a common ancestor & use them as our surrogate to determine/confirm which branch & sept or sub-branch we belong to. Going back to the 2 references in my message- the first chart which you reviewed does not specifically tell you the number of mismatches between 2 individuals. You have to manually count these mismatches. The 2nd reference includes a wonderful table developed by John Kilgore that automatically does the "mismatch count" between each & every individual tested & lets you see how close each testee is genetically with every other testee. This is just my interpretation of all of these confusing numbers. Hopefully someone else can give a simpler explanation. I'm slowly getting self-educated on YDNA & still have to unravel the secrets & potential values of MtDNA. All I can say it's confusing but fun trying to understand. Jack

In a message dated 11/15/2009 9:41:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, jacktempleton27@me.com writes: 1) <The Kilgore DNA Project>, click on "Y Results" & you will get latest YDNA results on the participants & known ancestry Jack, I don't know much about DNA testing but I studied the whole chart and do not see the "Y results". Can you be more specific???? Karen Dean

THANKS Karen Dean

Sherry, No males. My husband (deceased) was the only son (from his mother) and we had a daughter. He may have some half-brothers out there but I don't know them. As I said, his father was married several times but I know not to whom. Makes it very difficult. Judy

http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results ----- Original Message ----- From: <Karengenealogy@aol.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- View YDNA results > > In a message dated 11/15/2009 9:41:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, > jacktempleton27@me.com writes: > > 1) <The Kilgore DNA Project>, click on "Y Results" & you will get > latest YDNA results on the participants & known ancestry > > > > Jack, I don't know much about DNA testing but I studied the whole chart > and do not see the "Y results". > Can you be more specific???? > Karen Dean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 11/14/2009 11:05:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jodiek444@aol.com writes: There is an error in William's age which says 45, but it states he was born in 1844 which would make him 55. I found this part interesting as my grandfather falsified his age at least four times to census takers and when signing up for WW1. When researching it was hard to pin point his age but we all concluded that he was born in 1879. It was not always the census takers, sometimes they really did not know when they were born or they just wanted to be younger than they really are. Dd

For those of you like me who are not direct Kilgore paternal descendants, to view results, go to: (1) <The Kilgore DNA Project>, click on "Y Results" & you will get latest YDNA results on the participants & known ancestry (2) < johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/TMRCA.html> & you will get John's 2/8/08 posting of a wonderful table to help translate the raw results into meaningful groupings. We all owe the selfless individuals like Gail, Vickie, & John a debt of gratitude for their efforts to identify the major Kilgore branches & their septs or sub branches. Gail & Vickie have the patience of Job in answering the many (sometimes inane) questions from newbies like me. Jack T.

Judy, do you have any male Kilgores that would be willing to do a DNA testing? That's a great way to connect and there is a KILGORE DNA PROJECT!!! I am not an authority on DNA but there are a lot of people on this list that are. Last summer a bunch of us contributed to our direct Kilgore lines and had a candidate test, that way it was not too expesnive for any one of us individually. Gail can explain this a lot better than I.. Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jodiek444" <jodiek444@aol.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] William C. Kilgore of Georgia and Alabama Sherry, Thanks so much for the reply. I'm trying to go slow here and not jump to any conclusions too fast. I am 99 percent certain I have the correct William because of his son's WWI Draft Registration Card. It gives his name as "David Morris Kilgore" and states he was born in 1889 in Cottondale, Alabama. (My husband's name was Davis Maurice Kilgore but he went by David.) In the 1900 Tuscaloosa County census, Cottondale Beat , William Kilgore's family shows a son named David, age 11. There are two other children, Oscar (6) and Ruth (2). His wife is named Josie, age 40. born in Alabama. There is an error in William's age which says 45, but it states he was born in 1844 which would make him 55. William states that both his parents were born in South Carolina, but that may or may not be a lead, based on who gave the info and how accurate it is. I also don't know if they may have stopped somewhere in between on their way to Alabama. I searched for some Civil War service on Ancestry and found a William Kilgore but I have no way of knowing if it is the right one. Young Davis (b. 1889) grew up and married an Erline Cox and lived in Jefferson County, Alabama, where he raised his family. I have only two other children besides my Davis, Dorothy, b. abt 1914, and William Cox Kilgore, b. abt 1919. (These are from the 1920, 1930 census). MapQuest shows the address was probably in Bessemer. His son, also Davis, moved to Atlanta sometime between 1830 and 1840. He was married several times. I hesitate to give too much personal information because I know there are still living descendants out there. Would love to make contact with family members and take these Kilgores back as far as I can. Judy Kilgore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, you sound like a VERY thorough researcher, maybe there is someone on this list who will recognize your family and respond to you. Wish I could help but my KILGORE didn't get to Alabama, they stopped in Weakley Co TN, extreme western TN. BUT rhere are several early families in Weakley that came up from Limestone Co AL It that near your area? Good luck to you!!! Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jodiek444" <jodiek444@aol.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] William C. Kilgore of Georgia and Alabama Sherry, Thanks so much for the reply. I'm trying to go slow here and not jump to any conclusions too fast. I am 99 percent certain I have the correct William because of his son's WWI Draft Registration Card. It gives his name as "David Morris Kilgore" and states he was born in 1889 in Cottondale, Alabama. (My husband's name was Davis Maurice Kilgore but he went by David.) In the 1900 Tuscaloosa County census, Cottondale Beat , William Kilgore's family shows a son named David, age 11. There are two other children, Oscar (6) and Ruth (2). His wife is named Josie, age 40. born in Alabama. There is an error in William's age which says 45, but it states he was born in 1844 which would make him 55. William states that both his parents were born in South Carolina, but that may or may not be a lead, based on who gave the info and how accurate it is. I also don't know if they may have stopped somewhere in between on their way to Alabama. I searched for some Civil War service on Ancestry and found a William Kilgore but I have no way of knowing if it is the right one. Young Davis (b. 1889) grew up and married an Erline Cox and lived in Jefferson County, Alabama, where he raised his family. I have only two other children besides my Davis, Dorothy, b. abt 1914, and William Cox Kilgore, b. abt 1919. (These are from the 1920, 1930 census). MapQuest shows the address was probably in Bessemer. His son, also Davis, moved to Atlanta sometime between 1830 and 1840. He was married several times. I hesitate to give too much personal information because I know there are still living descendants out there. Would love to make contact with family members and take these Kilgores back as far as I can. Judy Kilgore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gail, I have some good news. One of my male Kilgore cousins is interested in participating in DNA tracking of a family line. Henry -----Original Message----- From: kilgore-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kilgore-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Kilgore Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:17 PM To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Thanks for your information, Henry. Your line is a new comer to the states....you can't get back any further than Joseph [1849-1927]? I guess you better give them cousins a call and see if they are interested. Heck, the first guy I called stammered and studdered when I told him he would just swab his mouth and put it in a vile and he told me I had better call the other Kilgore in town. ;-)) It ain't going to hurt one bit. And, it can remain private for his own personal use or to answers questions he may have or the family. But, I did find out that it has to be done thru Familytree DNA or it won't be added to our Kilgore results. That does not mean you have to participate in just this project but that is the project most of us have been using. Gail On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Henry A Hill <henryahill@zetetic.org>wrote: > Gail, > > My great grandfather was Joseph Kilgore (1849-1927) and my grandfather was > Henry U. Kilgore, (1880-1958). Joseph Kilgore was born near Londonderry, > Ireland and Henry Kilgore was born in Chambers Co., Texas. Joseph Kilgore > (1849-1927) immigrated along with siblings to the US circa 1860 and his > father's name was Joseph Kilgore. > > Joseph Kilgore (1849-1927) had a brother Robert Kilgore (1814-1861) who was > also born near Londonderry, Ireland. Robert Kilgore (1814-1861) immigrated > to the US circa 1838. Also, Robert Kilgore (1814-1861) was the great > grandfather of Charles Kilgore (1917-2008) of League City, Texas. > > I have one Kilgore male cousin that has Joseph Kilgore (1849-1927) as a > grandfather and two male Kilgore cousins that have Joseph Kilgore > (1849-1927) as a great grandfather. I have not approached them about > participating in a DNA marker tracking program. However, I would like to > for obvious reasons. > > With best regards, > > Henry Hill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kilgore-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kilgore-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Gail Kilgore > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:24 PM > To: kilgore@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > Henry, for a 37 marker I just paid $139.00 + $4.00 shipping for a total of > $143.00 > > We have members in our group who donate money to help pay for the DNA > testing. I defunked the account yesterday but have a donation coming in > that might be of use. Which line do you come from? > > We have been using FamilyTreeDNA. > > Gail > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Henry A Hill <henryahill@zetetic.org > >wrote: > > > Gail, > > > > Could you tell me what is the cost for a DNA test that is being used for > > the > > Kilgore lines? Thanks. > > > > Henry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kilgore-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kilgore-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Gail Kilgore > > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:24 PM > > To: kilgore@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > Gail Meyer Kilgore > > 10675 N Chinook Dr. > > Casa Grande, AZ 85122 > > > > 520.836.2636 > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Jack R. Templeton > > <jacktempleton27@me.com>wrote: > > > > > Gail, > > > Send me your address so I can contribute to the DNA fund. > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JudithK Surnames: Kilgore Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kilgore/516.519.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I believe this may also be my husband's line. He was David/Davis M. Kilgore, his father was Davis M. Kilgore (b. 1911 in Alabama, d. 1977 in Stockbridge, GA) and his father was Davis M. Kilgore (b. 1889 in Cottondale, AL). I believe the last Davis's father was William Kilgore, b. 1844, also in Alabama. My husband never knew his father because of family conflicts. I have just begun my research on Kilgores and would appreciate any help. I have one daughter and six grandchildren and am expecting a great-grandchild any day. This is their family. Many thanks, Judy Fowler Kilgore Newnan, GA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Sherry, Thanks so much for the reply. I'm trying to go slow here and not jump to any conclusions too fast. I am 99 percent certain I have the correct William because of his son's WWI Draft Registration Card. It gives his name as "David Morris Kilgore" and states he was born in 1889 in Cottondale, Alabama. (My husband's name was Davis Maurice Kilgore but he went by David.) In the 1900 Tuscaloosa County census, Cottondale Beat , William Kilgore's family shows a son named David, age 11. There are two other children, Oscar (6) and Ruth (2). His wife is named Josie, age 40. born in Alabama. There is an error in William's age which says 45, but it states he was born in 1844 which would make him 55. William states that both his parents were born in South Carolina, but that may or may not be  a lead, based on who gave the info and how accurate it is. I also don't know if they may have stopped somewhere in between on their way to Alabama.  I searched for some Civil War service on Ancestry and found a William Kilgore but I have no way of knowing if it is the right one. Young Davis (b. 1889) grew up and married an Erline Cox and lived in Jefferson County, Alabama, where he raised his family. I have only two other children besides my Davis, Dorothy, b. abt 1914, and William Cox Kilgore, b. abt 1919. (These are from the 1920, 1930 census). MapQuest shows the address was probably in Bessemer. His son, also Davis, moved to Atlanta sometime between 1830 and 1840. He was married several times. I hesitate to give too much personal information because I know there are still living descendants out there. Would love to make contact with family members and take these Kilgores back as far as I can. Judy Kilgore