This is the contact for Issac: Wanda <wk46@bellsouth.net> ________________________________ From: Vickie Miller <vickie7293@msn.com> To: Kilgore <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 6:06:46 AM Subject: [KILGORE] Isaac Kilgore Does anyone know who contributed the DNA for Isaac Kilgore kit # 134088 and how to contact him? He closely matches my Charles Kilgore line; but was believed to be of Robert & Winnie Kilgore's line. This seems to be wrong. I don't have this Isaac in my database; but this needs further investigation. Due to a computer crash of a couple of weeks ago, I've lost much of my stored email and some Kilgore data. My computer still isn't working 100% and I have problems with some internet sites and getting to addresses for them. Vickie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vickie This is what I have on Issac: 1 [1] Charles Cromell Kilgore b: 16 Nov 1820 in Scott Co VA d: 12 Aug 1887 in TX .. +Catherine Ferguson b: 24 Nov 1822 in KY d: 1858 ..... 2 James Harvey Kilgore b: 21 Dec 1844 d: 29 Apr 1922 ......... +Arzel Lykins b: 24 Sep 1849 d: 30 Dec 1927 ............ 3 Sarah Jane Kilgore b: 28 Feb 1877 d: 11 Jan 1979 ............ 3 SylvesterMarion Kilgore b: Nov 1869 ................ +Pearl M Roberts b: Nov 1872 ................... 4 Howard Crosby Kilgore b: Jan 1891 in TX .......................... 5 Lloyd Kilgore d: Abt. 1960 in LaGrande ORG ................... 4 Herman Kilgore b: Mar 1893 ................... 4 Jewel V Kilgore b: Dec 1897 ..... 2 John Henry Kilgore ......... +Arzilia Lykins ............ 3 Lou Allie Kilgore ..... 2 Issac Newton Kilgore b: 30 Nov 1849 ......... +Martha Merritt ..... 2 Joseph Dudley Kilgore b: 19 Dec 1853 ..... 2 Nathaneil Green Kilgore b: 01 Nov 1856 *2nd Wife of [1] Charles Cromell Kilgore: .. +Margret Leash b: 1829 ..... 2 William Clark Kilgore b: 23 Nov 1867 ......... +??? Winters ..... 2 Judith Kilgore b: 07 Jul 1870 ________________________________ From: Vickie Miller <vickie7293@msn.com> To: Kilgore <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 6:06:46 AM Subject: [KILGORE] Isaac Kilgore Does anyone know who contributed the DNA for Isaac Kilgore kit # 134088 and how to contact him? He closely matches my Charles Kilgore line; but was believed to be of Robert & Winnie Kilgore's line. This seems to be wrong. I don't have this Isaac in my database; but this needs further investigation. Due to a computer crash of a couple of weeks ago, I've lost much of my stored email and some Kilgore data. My computer still isn't working 100% and I have problems with some internet sites and getting to addresses for them. Vickie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to John's graphs the kits for Charles Kilgore born 1740 died 1823 Greene Co TN #134403 & 134024 and that of a believed descendant of Robert Kilgore died 1782 (Randy's submission) # 160254 there is a genetic dsitance of 3 in the first graph he sent yesterday and a genetic distance of 2 in his "cleaned up" graph. I'm a novice at DNA. Does this support the supposition that Robert & Charles were brothers or is it more likely that they were first cousins? Or not so closely related? I know that this isn't exact and that there should be more DNA submissions on these lines to be sure and that this is still something of a "best guess" scenario; but that's what I'm asking for. It's always been believed that Robert & Charles were brothers based on their proximity and apparently close relationship supported by circumstantial evidence; never documentary evidence; now DNA seems to suggest otherwise (at least that's how I read it). Can anyone who knows more about this make a "best guess" for me? Vickie

Is anyone here connected to the James Kilgore born c1812 TN who is represented by the DNA kit # 133429? In the past, we've worked on this one before trying to fit him into the line of Charles Kilgore of Greene Co TN. He now seems to be a close match and possibly/probably descended from Charles. I still don't see how he fits in; but I'd like to look back over this lineage. Vickie

Does anyone know who contributed the DNA for Isaac Kilgore kit # 134088 and how to contact him? He closely matches my Charles Kilgore line; but was believed to be of Robert & Winnie Kilgore's line. This seems to be wrong. I don't have this Isaac in my database; but this needs further investigation. Due to a computer crash of a couple of weeks ago, I've lost much of my stored email and some Kilgore data. My computer still isn't working 100% and I have problems with some internet sites and getting to addresses for them. Vickie

Kit #162376 James Kilgore of SC appears to be a false lineage. This one doesn't match the other 3 James Kilgore of SC's kits: 112473, 61976, 114727. It would appear that the contributor has made an error in his genealogy and connected his ancestor to the wrong James Kilgore. This line appears to be connected to Thomas Kilgore of MD. The other kit numbers for James of SC show they aren't closely connected to Charles Kilgore of Greene Co #134404/134024 or Thomas Kilgore 134747/135160 Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Templeton<mailto:jacktempleton27@me.com> To: Kilgore@rootsweb.com<mailto:Kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- John's Genetic Distance Experimental Table John, Your thought process reminds me of a framed Thos Edison quotation which I kept above my desk @ work- "There's a way to do it better, FIND IT". In the area of YDNA test interpretations, you sound like another Thos Edison. I think you hit on something. Comparison of your modified & unmodified Genetic Distance tables appears to tighten up (reduce Genetic Distances [GD's] in the following areas: (1) 134747/135160 reduced from 1 to 0, the 2 Thos (MD)'s appear to be identical (2) 133184/53335 appear to be identical. 160254 appears to also be a descendant of the same Wm[GA]. I didn't have his ancestor listed. (3) 134088 (James W.) now appears to be identical with the other 2 James W's 134024/134403 (4) Closer match between Thos (MD) & Chas (1740), Wm (GA), James W. & James, SC (5) " " " Wm (GA) & Thos (MD), Chas (1740) & James (SC) (6) " " " Chas (1740) & Thos (MD), Am (GA) & Jame M. This is all based on a cursory comparison. Jack T. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sure glad that you understand that Jack... I am out in left field... got your check yesterday... the Kilgore's thank you. Gal On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jack Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com>wrote: > John, > Your thought process reminds me of a framed Thos Edison quotation which I > kept above my desk @ work- "There's a way to do it better, FIND IT". In the > area of YDNA test interpretations, you sound like another Thos Edison. > I think you hit on something. Comparison of your modified & unmodified > Genetic Distance tables appears to tighten up (reduce Genetic Distances > [GD's] in the following areas: > > (1) 134747/135160 reduced from 1 to 0, the 2 Thos (MD)'s appear to be > identical > (2) 133184/53335 appear to be identical. 160254 appears to also be a > descendant of the same Wm[GA]. I didn't have his ancestor listed. > (3) 134088 (James W.) now appears to be identical with the other 2 James > W's 134024/134403 > (4) Closer match between Thos (MD) & Chas (1740), Wm (GA), James W. & > James, SC > (5) " " " Wm (GA) & Thos (MD), Chas (1740) & > James (SC) > (6) " " " Chas (1740) & Thos (MD), Am (GA) & > Jame M. > > This is all based on a cursory comparison. > > Jack T. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, Your thought process reminds me of a framed Thos Edison quotation which I kept above my desk @ work- "There's a way to do it better, FIND IT". In the area of YDNA test interpretations, you sound like another Thos Edison. I think you hit on something. Comparison of your modified & unmodified Genetic Distance tables appears to tighten up (reduce Genetic Distances [GD's] in the following areas: (1) 134747/135160 reduced from 1 to 0, the 2 Thos (MD)'s appear to be identical (2) 133184/53335 appear to be identical. 160254 appears to also be a descendant of the same Wm[GA]. I didn't have his ancestor listed. (3) 134088 (James W.) now appears to be identical with the other 2 James W's 134024/134403 (4) Closer match between Thos (MD) & Chas (1740), Wm (GA), James W. & James, SC (5) " " " Wm (GA) & Thos (MD), Chas (1740) & James (SC) (6) " " " Chas (1740) & Thos (MD), Am (GA) & Jame M. This is all based on a cursory comparison. Jack T.

Sherri, you caught me on that one. I meant an actual family tree like we have on Ancestry.com where everyone could see where they are. I believe we have the following lineages: James Kilgore 1603, and Isabel Steel 1607, Joseph Kilgore 1701 and Penelope Treworgy 1694, James Kilgore 1610, John Kilgore 1675 and Elpeth Howeson 1683, Charles Kilgore 1703 and Jane Clark 1725, Samuel 1724, James Kilgore 1635, Lord Douglas Kilgore 1650 and Margaret Lowe 1654, James Kilgore 1643 and probably more. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 330 425 8819 fax 330 963 6858 Engineered Special Products Inc. Product Engineer Adsco Line Products Inc. superchief87@roadrunner.com superchief87@yahoo.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Arnold" <sarnold77@verizon.net> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > But Bob, aren't we all working on our family tree??? > > "half a dozen Kilgores that came across the pond" Let's see, that would > be > the 5 BROTHERS plus one??? LOL Just kidding you Bob, couldn't resist > that > one... > > Sherry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:20 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > > >> Sorry, but we do not all come from the "5 brothers". >> There may be half a dozen different Kilgores that came across the pond. >> I >> think there were other Kilgore's that fought at Kings Mountain and I know >> that there were more that fought other places in the Rev. War. >> >> Is anyone working on an actual family tree(s)? >> >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> 330 425 8819 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> Engineered Special Products Inc. >> Product Engineer >> Adsco Line Products Inc. >> superchief87@roadrunner.com >> superchief87@yahoo.com >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sherry Arnold" <sarnold77@verizon.net> >> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:34 AM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >> >> >>> Thanks John, I have learned a little!!! smiles I was 'thinking' the >>> larger >>> the number the closer the relation... WRONG!!! So that is a lesson >>> learned!!! I am fascinated by DNA but seem to have a mental block about >>> understanding it... But I guess "old dogs can learn new tricks" lol >>> >>> I LOVE our Kilgore site and will be glad when we all connect... For I >>> 'want' to believe that we all come from the 5 brothers legend... >>> Although, >>> it seems ALL lines have a multiple brothers tradition... smiles >>> >>> Sherry >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> >>> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:36 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >>> >>> >>>> The 0 means that the two are very closely related, so this confirms >>>> what you know. There is a link at the bottom of the chart that >>>> explains what the numbers mean - click on the one for 37 markers. >>>> >>>> The larger the number in the chart, the less closely related two kit >>>> numbers are. O-3 is most certainly related, 4 is probably related, 5 >>>> is possibly related, and 6 and above is ranging from very distant to >>>> absolutely not related. >>>> >>>> One note is that I have a couple of 6s, but people I am 3 away from >>>> are 3 away from my 6s, and I notice similar relations for others on >>>> the list. It appears that the James of Darlington District line has a >>>> higher then average rate of mutation. It would be interesting to see >>>> what FTDNA says about this. >>>> >>>> I made both of these charts with a fantastic web tool: >>>> >>>> http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html >>>> >>>> It was made for use by geneticists, but it's pretty darn useful for >>>> those trying to figure out how different lines are related. Like all >>>> statistical calculations, the results, particularly in the generation >>>> chart, are NOT precise, but close, and can show patterns that >>>> otherwise might have gone unnoticed. >>>> >>>> JK >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Sherry Arnold wrote: >>>> >>>>> John, I so don't undestand DNA but I am trying!!! I have written >>>>> down the >>>>> kit numbers that intersect and there is a zero between our number >>>>> 134024 and >>>>> 134403 who is Vickie's brother and we KNOW that we both come from >>>>> Charles b >>>>> 1740. Am I totally off base here??? I am reading it as you would >>>>> a mileage >>>>> chart??? >>>>> HELP!!! >>>>> >>>>> Sherry >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> >>>>> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:07 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Some observations, looking at the new charts: >>>>>> >>>>>> 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - >>>>>> it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of >>>>>> Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all >>>>>> related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. >>>>>> line. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, >>>>>> rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., >>>>>> line. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person >>>>>> who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your >>>>>> reasoning on the family grouping? >>>>>> >>>>>> JK >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- >>>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This may horrify the geneticists, but I just posted a new table using the following experiment: I noticed in the y-results page that there are some mutations that are unique to an individual. That is, an a whole column of 11s, there will be one and only one 10. There are about 14 of these unique mutations that are clearly outliers, and not familial, at least not yet. It seemed to me that if I eliminated these oddballs, or rather changed the number to match all the others, and then ran them through the chart maker, it might show us better where the family groupings are. It certainly changes the genetic distance chart. Take a look and see if it lights any lightbulbs: http://johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/sport.html

Looking at your graph, I see these entries from James Kilgore of SC -kits # 162376, 114727, 151270, 112473. The kit #162376 whom was listed as James Kilgore f/o John William Kilgore 1793-1874 doesn't match these others. I think that you are correct in that this lineage is connected to the wrong James Kilgore. Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kilgore<mailto:john@johnkilgore.com> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com<mailto:kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore-Genetic Distance Table I have a James as one of the children of Thos. and Rebecca (via Rebecca's will) - could this be the James Kilgore, f/o John William Kilgore, 1793-1874 listed as kit 162376's oldest known ancestor? He and I are at genetic distance 1. Working on other possible linkages - more as they reveal themselves... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a James as one of the children of Thos. and Rebecca (via Rebecca's will) - could this be the James Kilgore, f/o John William Kilgore, 1793-1874 listed as kit 162376's oldest known ancestor? He and I are at genetic distance 1. Working on other possible linkages - more as they reveal themselves...

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: shelleychris88 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kilgore/973.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John "Jack" Bays was my 3rd great grandfather. I also would like more info. I have just started researching Scott Co. Va. The Bays family. Would appreciate more history! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks to Jack & John. All of this has been helpful. Karen Dean

But Bob, aren't we all working on our family tree??? "half a dozen Kilgores that came across the pond" Let's see, that would be the 5 BROTHERS plus one??? LOL Just kidding you Bob, couldn't resist that one... Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > Sorry, but we do not all come from the "5 brothers". > There may be half a dozen different Kilgores that came across the pond. > I > think there were other Kilgore's that fought at Kings Mountain and I know > that there were more that fought other places in the Rev. War. > > Is anyone working on an actual family tree(s)? > > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > 330 425 8819 > fax 330 963 6858 > Engineered Special Products Inc. > Product Engineer > Adsco Line Products Inc. > superchief87@roadrunner.com > superchief87@yahoo.com > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Arnold" <sarnold77@verizon.net> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables > > >> Thanks John, I have learned a little!!! smiles I was 'thinking' the >> larger >> the number the closer the relation... WRONG!!! So that is a lesson >> learned!!! I am fascinated by DNA but seem to have a mental block about >> understanding it... But I guess "old dogs can learn new tricks" lol >> >> I LOVE our Kilgore site and will be glad when we all connect... For I >> 'want' to believe that we all come from the 5 brothers legend... >> Although, >> it seems ALL lines have a multiple brothers tradition... smiles >> >> Sherry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> >> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 3:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >> >> >>> The 0 means that the two are very closely related, so this confirms >>> what you know. There is a link at the bottom of the chart that >>> explains what the numbers mean - click on the one for 37 markers. >>> >>> The larger the number in the chart, the less closely related two kit >>> numbers are. O-3 is most certainly related, 4 is probably related, 5 >>> is possibly related, and 6 and above is ranging from very distant to >>> absolutely not related. >>> >>> One note is that I have a couple of 6s, but people I am 3 away from >>> are 3 away from my 6s, and I notice similar relations for others on >>> the list. It appears that the James of Darlington District line has a >>> higher then average rate of mutation. It would be interesting to see >>> what FTDNA says about this. >>> >>> I made both of these charts with a fantastic web tool: >>> >>> http://www.mymcgee.com/tools/yutility.html >>> >>> It was made for use by geneticists, but it's pretty darn useful for >>> those trying to figure out how different lines are related. Like all >>> statistical calculations, the results, particularly in the generation >>> chart, are NOT precise, but close, and can show patterns that >>> otherwise might have gone unnoticed. >>> >>> JK >>> >>> >>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 12:39 AM, Sherry Arnold wrote: >>> >>>> John, I so don't undestand DNA but I am trying!!! I have written >>>> down the >>>> kit numbers that intersect and there is a zero between our number >>>> 134024 and >>>> 134403 who is Vickie's brother and we KNOW that we both come from >>>> Charles b >>>> 1740. Am I totally off base here??? I am reading it as you would >>>> a mileage >>>> chart??? >>>> HELP!!! >>>> >>>> Sherry >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Kilgore" <john@johnkilgore.com> >>>> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 11:07 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- New Tables >>>> >>>> >>>>> Some observations, looking at the new charts: >>>>> >>>>> 151270 (Thomas Kilgore, b 1792 KY,) appears to be in the wrong line - >>>>> it looks like he is possibly related to 134024 and 134403, both of >>>>> Charles Kilgore, b. 1740, NC, d 1823 Greene Co.,TN and not at all >>>>> related to the James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist. >>>>> line. >>>>> >>>>> Also, 131072 (Henry - ) appears to belong to the Thomas/Rebecca side, >>>>> rather than the James W. Kilgore, b.ca. 1701 Ireland, d. 1771 PA., >>>>> line. >>>>> >>>>> I am not a DNA expert, so I may be missing something. Is the person >>>>> who groups the data on this list? If so, can you share some of your >>>>> reasoning on the family grouping? >>>>> >>>>> JK >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- >>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

YEAH!!! Hey Vickie and Roy, did you hear that, WE ARE PERFECT!!! LOL Vickie had said before that she thought we were closely connected to Thomas... She is right on!!! Thanks, John and Jack. I like to see great minds work!!! smiles Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack R. Templeton" <jacktempleton27@me.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:22 AM Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore-Genetic Distance Table > John, > Thanks so much for your tables, especially your Genetic Distance > Table. I'm hoping to figure out how to hook up my printer so I can > create a hard copy easier than hand copying. I manually modified your > table to include only genetic distances 1 thru 4 & then color coded > each one. My next chore is to modify your "Generations to TMRCA" to > include only generations 4 thru 13 which will permit me to visualize a > rough guestimate of yrs to TMRCA. Your tables are making me think > outside the box. > > You're absolutely right that: > (1) Thos (151270) is closer to Chas (1740) than he is to either of the > James' (1760) > (2) You're also right on that Henry (131072) should probably be in the > Thos/Rebeca line rather than the James W. line > > Sherry, > You're reading the table right. 134024 & 134403 have a zero genetic > distance;i.e, they are a perfect match. > > Jack T. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: twodeans Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kilgore/516.519.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I do not have any Davis/David in my file, but I have a William b. abt. 1846, son of William C. I do not have anything on his line. Sorry I can't be more help. Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: twodeans Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.kilgore/516.520/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you looked at the 1860 census for William C.? They were in Calhoun Co, Morrisville. I believe the Martin age 9, is my Maston. Do you have anything on William's children? I have some info, but can't prove Martin/Maston are the same. Would be glad to share info. Contact me at: twodeans@comcast.net Linda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jack R. Templeton" <jacktempleton27@me.com> > Date: November 16, 2009 2:19:28 PM EST > To: kilgore@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Kilgore- Henry, Which Line > > John, > Although Henry (131072) has 4 genetic differences with both Thos/ > Rebecca (138160) & James W. (88559), his minimum genetic distance of > 3 is with Charles (1740) which I would think should put him in the > MD/NC/GA line. The only possible reason I can see (as a DNA newbie) > for putting him with the James W. line is his DYS/Marker #449 of 30 > - which those in James W's line have while all of the MD/NC/GA line > have a 449 marker of 29. Far fetched, it'll be interesting to see > what our project coordinator says. Til I hear otherwise, I'm still > with you on this one. > > Jack T.

As promised, I've just posted a page with a new TMRCA table in years at : http://johnkilgore.com/kilgoregen/TMRCA-Y.html Again, please bear in mind that this is essentially a very loose but educated guess based on an average generation of 30 years, which is probably on the high side, and an AVERAGE mutation rate. As you will see, the years are multiples of 30, so they all correspond to the generation table I posted earlier. This is not an exact science - the variables are the mutation rate which is not fixed (it can happen faster or slower - sometimes a lot faster or a lot slower,) and the time between generations, which is also not fixed.