Freda, If I'm not mistaken, this is Roy E. Kilgore's line. Roy's book is more about Joseph's ancestors than his descendants. I don't recall him mentioning Penelope. He includes Joseph's parents, John Kilgore & Helen Lister. What I have on Joseph so far is: born, c1700 emigrated from Fife, Scotland to York, Maine. Wrote his will in 1764 naming his son Joseph, Jr as the recipient of his "Great Bible". His children were James, b 1724; Joseph, Jr, b 1730 m Abigail Page; Benjamin, b 1732, m Amy Hambleton; John (1734-1818) m Elizabeth Brackett; Mary b 1721; Alice b 1726; Katherine b 1727 m ? Beatle; and Elizabeth b 1736, m ? Abbot. I'll have to check my scribbled notes to see where I got the family info--I'm pretty sure it wasn't from Roy's book. All I recall from the book was Joseph's birth in 1701, his arrival in this country in 1718, his ancestor's names, he wrote his will in 1764 & he had a son Joseph, Jr. Maybe Roy can fill us in on Joseph's descendants. Jack T.

No sense of humor huh Cheryl. C Robert (Bob) Shaw Engineered special Products Inc. Product Engineer ADSCO Line Products Inc. 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 Phone: 330 425 8819 Fax; 330 963 6858 superchief87@yahoo.com superchief87@roadrunner.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Cheryl Kilgore Malaguti <cherylmalaguti@gmail.com> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 5:04:26 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Joseph Kilgore/Penelope Treworgy Line "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> wrote: >Maybe the ACLU got ahold of all those great bibles. Could you not inject politicized garbage to the list please? Thank you, -- Cheryl Kilgore Malaguti <cherylmalaguti@gmail.com> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Jack, I have Roy's book but haven't had a chance to read all of it. Wouldn't you love to know what happened to all those "Great Bibles"?   Freda Kilgo Daniel --- On Sun, 12/13/09, Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> wrote: From: Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> Subject: [KILGORE] Joseph Kilgore/Penelope Treworgy Line To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 1:13 PM Freda, If I'm not mistaken, this is Roy E. Kilgore's line. Roy's book is more  about Joseph's ancestors  than his descendants. I don't recall him  mentioning Penelope. He includes Joseph's parents, John Kilgore &  Helen Lister. What I have  on Joseph so far is: born,  c1700 emigrated  from Fife, Scotland to York, Maine. Wrote his will in 1764 naming his  son Joseph, Jr as the recipient of his "Great Bible". His children  were James, b 1724; Joseph, Jr, b 1730 m Abigail Page; Benjamin, b  1732, m Amy Hambleton; John (1734-1818) m Elizabeth Brackett; Mary b  1721; Alice b 1726; Katherine b 1727 m  ?  Beatle; and Elizabeth b  1736, m   ?  Abbot. I'll have to check my scribbled notes to see where I got the family  info--I'm pretty sure it wasn't from Roy's book.  All I recall from  the book was Joseph's birth in 1701, his arrival in this country in  1718, his ancestor's names, he wrote his will in 1764 & he had a son  Joseph, Jr. Maybe Roy can fill us in on Joseph's descendants. Jack T. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, I meant to send that message to Freda and not the list. Don't want to confuse anyone. We were discussing Peter Kilgore of Lancaster Co VA Vickie

I can look up anything you need for Lancaster Co VA (my library has quite a bit of info). I was able to get back to the library and look for Kilgores in Lancaster, York & Northumberland Counties (parents of Lancaster) before 1678. My comments in blue: According to the deed dated 16 Mar 1711/12 Peter Kilgore of Lancaster Co sold a tract of land to Thomas Pinson containing 40 acres. It states that this 40 acres was sold to Peter Kilgore & Robert Bennett by deed from William Thatcher & Elizabeth his wife dated "twentieth day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand six hundred twenty eight" and by the said Kilgore decd have given by his last Will unto his son Peter Kilgore the heir...(legal description of the land then follows) now it further states: "I the said Peter Kilgore have assigned the Deed of Sale before menconed (sic) dated March the seventh day and in the year of our Lord 1678. In witness thereof I set my hand ... (p9-10 Lancaster County Deeds 1710-1714) This deed is confusing-1728 is clearly written out; but it also states that the earlier deed mentioned was dated 7 March 1678 (which year I think is the correct one-I no longer think that 1628 was correct despite it being written out in the deed.). The really important thing in the deed is that it was Peter Kilgore (Sr) who obtained the land from William & Elizabeth Thatcher and that it was his son Peter Kilgore selling the land in 1711/12. In another deed dated 8 January 1713, Peter Kilgore sold a tract to John Wright. It states that this land was a parcel on which Ralph Briggs formerly lived and now in possession of Kilgore being 50 acres more or less which said land is part of a parcel belonging to William Edmonds the remainder unto whereof is now in the possession of Elias Edwards s/o William Edmonds and by him the said William Edmonds in his life time sold to Alexander Reed and by the said Alexander Reed by his last Will & Testament dated 22 Feb 1669 was given and devised to his daughter Anne Reed and descended to the said Peter Kilgore as son and heir of Anne Reed. It then states that Peter with his wife Elizabeth shall in person acknowledge these presents in Open Court... and is signed by Peter Kilgore & Elizabeth Kilgore witnessed by Charles Wright, William Chapple, William Chapple, Francis Wright. (p42-44 same source) In a deed dated 6 March 1713/14 Peter Kilgore sold a tract of land to Edward Nicken. This deed repeats that this land came down to Peter Kilgore through his mother Anne Reed who'd been left the tract by her father in his will dated 22 Feb 1669. This deed is also signed by Peter & Elizabeth Kilgore (p56-58 same source) In a deed dated 2 January 1713 between Ralph Briggs & Peter Kilgore-Ralph Briggs sold a parcel of land bordering Wm Edmonds land, the orphans of Charles Hill, Fishing Creek Marsh to land now in possession of Elias Edmonds s/o said Wiliam Edmonds and by him the sd Wm Edmons in his lifetime sold to Alexander Reed and by Reed's will dated 22 Feb 1669 devised to his daughter Anne Reed and the said Anne Reed marrying with Peter Killgore father of the abovesd Peter Killgore and he in his lifetime sold to Lidia Briggs and Thomas Reed by a Deed dated 31 January 1689 sold to them & and their heirs forever and the sd Lidia Briggs decd the sd land fell to the sd Ralph Briggs as son & heir to his Mother...Ralph Briggs with his wife Marg sold to Peter Kilgore Wit: John Wright, Wm Merideth, Wm Chappel... (p76-77 same source) In these 4 deeds we can clearly establish that it was the same Peter Kilgore selling the land in 1711/12 & 1713/1714 and that he was the son of Anne Reed & Peter Kilgore. We can also establish that Anne Reed married Peter Kilgore after 22 Feb 1669 because she was unmarried at the time Alexander Reed made his will-so that means her son Peter Kilgore had to have been born no earlier than 1669. The deeds also establish that both of Peter Kilgores parents were deceased by 1711. Virginia Genealogies Along and Near the Lower Rappahannock River 1607-1799 by John Otto Yurechko has 3 entries for Alexander Reed p153: 1663: Alex. Reade and John Nedle (Nedles) patented 220 acres in Lancaster Co, north of Peanketanck River...opposite to Store poynt Devident &c to a branch of Barbary Creek 23 Feb 1663 [91/448] 1664: Alexander Reade of Lancaster Co bought 50 acres and 300 acres from Will Hutchins of Corotoman. 2 Feb 1663/64 /s/ Will Hutchins & Eliz Hutchins, his wife. Lancaster Co [49/287]. She gave power of attorney to John Meredith to acknowledge sale. Recorded 8 Nov 1664 [49/293] 1666: Alexander & Lydia Reade. Alexander Read of Corotoman in Lancaster Co sold Tho Younge of ffleets bay in said county 200 acres from a tract of 300 acres adjoining land of Wm Hutchins and that of Mr. Robt Jones. Dated 10 Apr 1666. /s/ Alexander Reade & Lydia Reade Recorded 11 Apr 1666. Lancaster Co [49/343] oops! missed one: 1656: Alexander Reade and James Machmun purchased 300 acres from Vinc(ent?) Stanford, which he purchased from Thomas Hamp (Kemp?) and John Ashley /s/ Vinc Stanford. Recorded 23 Sep 1656 Lancaster Co [49/114] So we know that Alexander Read was in Lancaster Co as early as 1656. Note that a George Reed was bought land on south side of Peanketanke in Gloucester Co in 1648. He was described as Gentleman and this George Read patented 600 acres in Lancaster Co on north side of Peanketank River (Middlesex Co) 22 Oct 1651 [91/221, 337] I think I need to check out Gloucester & Middlesex Counties as well. Lancaster County, Virginia Deed & Will Abstracts 1661-1702 by Ruth & Sam Sparacio p39 Deed from Will: Hutchins of Corotomond Lancaster Co sold to Alexander Reade of same 50 acres mor or less in the Eastermost Branch of Corotomon on the South side up a Creek...ack'd in March Court by the sd Hutchins & Eliz: his wife /s/ Will: Hutchins, Eliz: Hutchins wit: Geo Flower, Walter Herd deed dated 2 Feb 1663 p71 is the deed dated 10 Apr 1666 from Alexander & Lydia Reed to Tho Younge Will of Alexander Rede 22 Feb 1669 Rec. 9 May 1669: Dau: Ann Rede land adjoining Chas Hill (not 16 yrs of age). Wife: Liddie & her son Thos Yant. Servants: John Shaw & John Hester. Youngest dau: Elizabeth 1 shilling to be paid by her mother or by John Ball. Wit: Henry parker, Thos Young. Bundle of loose papers 1653-79 (p185 Abstracts Lancaster County, Virginia Wills 1653-1800 An Inventory of Alex Reade rec'd 14 Oct 1685 presented by Ralph Briggs Will Book 5, p102 Northumberland County, Virginia Order Book 1674-1677 by Ruth & Sam Sparacio: p51: Northumberland County Court 19th of January 1675/76: Derby Hickey vs Jno. Chaffee: Whereas an Attacment was awarded Mr. Derby Hickey at the suite of John Chaffee for 516 pounds of tobacco which Attachment is returned executed in the hands of William KILGORE and whereas Derby Hickey hath made his debt appear due, Judgment is granted Derby Hickey for ye same with cost... p253 Note this is the only Kilgore I found in Northumberland Books prior to 1700 and it was a William Kilgore-so we now know that there was a William Kilgore in the area as early as 1675 You wrote: Actually, I was trying to say Spotsylvania off the top of my head and it came out Scott. This tells you there isn't much in the top of my head. I am aware of Peter I of Lancaster. He died 1709. Sons: Peter II and John, daughters: Ann and Margaret. No wife is mentioned. This is from: Abstracts LANCASTER COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILLS 1653 - 1800. I would say that this Will was the Peter Kilgore h/o Anne Reed since we know that he was deceased by 1711 and that he left a will. I think that the Peter Kilgore listed in deed below was the grandson of this Peter Kilgore because we know that Anne Reed & Peter Kilgore married sometime after Alexander Reed's will was dated 1669. The deed below was dated 1727 and we know that Peter Kilgore s/o Peter Kilgore & Anne Reed was selling land in 1711 and that his wife's name was Elizabeth. I would say that the Peter Kilgore below was a 3rd generation Peter Kilgore married to Mary Hayden in 1722 and/or Mary Hayden was the 2nd wife of Peter Kilgore s/o Anne & Peter. Note: that You wrote: From SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS 1721 - 1800: (my e-mail won't get out of Italics) Mary Kilgore, admx. of Peter, decd., with John and William Hackney, sec. May 2, 1727. This would be the Mary Haydon that m Peter Kilgow, 1 Nov 1722. This would be Peter II, Peter and John witnessed a deed there in 1726. These men would be brothers. All I have is the abstract below from John Kilgore of Johnston Co NC: 1761-January 18 Johnston Co NC:John Kilgore's will probated April 1861: Wife Sarah-Plantation on South side of Smith's Ck. during her life or widowhood. If she marry, to have 1/3 portion, & son Isaac to have 2/3. After death of wife, all plantation to son Isaac. Daughter Mary-Livestock Daughter Rachel-Livestock. Daughters Betty & Mille-100 ac. Land on Smith's Ck., to be divided equally. Son Ha(dan)?----?ac. Land on Smith's Ck. Remaining estate to wife Sarah. Exec. Peter Killgo, brother Wit:Mary Keeton?, Mary Bledsoe, Thomas Springfield John (X) Killgo If you have the original will copy then this is probably some kind of mistranslation. It does say that Son Ha(dan)? So how is this worded in the original? I'm thinking that if Mary Hayden was 2nd wife of Peter Kilgore s/o Anne Reed & Peter Kilgore, then his children were probably from 1st wife. The 1761 will of John Kilgore seems to indicate that his children weren't all fully grown since none of the daughters were mentioned with their husbands. Note that he gives land to son Isaac which will come to him after death of his wife or 2/3 if she should marry again. Really kind of suggests that son Isaac was under 21 which means that he was probably born no later than 1740 which means that John was probably born at least 20+ years before that-making him born 1720 or earlier possibly. Peter & Mary Hayden were married in 1722 making John born after 1722 making him 21 sometime after 1742 making Isaac born 1742 or later-which makes him a minor in 1761 when will was written-if John was the son of Peter Kilgore & Mary Hayden and not by a possible first wife: Elizabeth who'd have been having children as early as 1713/14. What do you think? Vickie

Look at a 1850 or 1860 census. Sometimes they had the names and a "freeborn". The others were slaves. C Robert (Bob) Shaw Engineered special Products Inc. Product Engineer ADSCO Line Products Inc. 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 Phone: 330 425 8819 Fax; 330 963 6858 superchief87@yahoo.com superchief87@roadrunner.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Gail Kilgore <gail.kilgore@gmail.com> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 12:57:06 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore slaveholders Yikes, with all the Kilgore's that were in VA, you still have a brick wall? Gail On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:59 PM, <DJones819@aol.com> wrote: > Vickie, > > According to family legend, our Kilgores also owned slaves and in Wythe > Co, VA but we have never been able to prove that as we have never been > able > to connect our Avarilla Jane Kilgore Heaton to any Kilgore. I keep > looking > when possible and reading all the info on the Kilgore rootsweb but still > have my brick wall. > > > In a message dated 12/12/2009 8:46:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > vickie7293@msn.com writes: > > Considering the number of Kilgore slave holders prior to the Civil War > it's to be expected that at least some passed on their genetic material to > their slaves. I'm 99% positive that my ancestor Charles Kilgore did > and/or it > was one of his sons. He freed a slave in his will and she almost > certainly bore either Charles or one of his sons a child whose last name > became > Henderson because Charles' son, disobeyed his wishes and instead of > freeing > the slave he sold her to his brother-in-law. Many years later, this > former > slave was able to go to court to sue for her freedom; which the court > granted along with the children she had after the date she was supposed to > have > been freed in the first place. This was in 1853 however, her owner > appealed > the ruling and it was still in the courts in 1858. I don't know the > outcome. I suspect it wasn't until the Emancipation Proclamation that she > was > actually freed rather than through the courts; although they did rule in > her > favor. Her el! > dest child, Washington Henderson was listed as a mulatto on 1850 slave > census and Charles Kilgore really didn't have the wherewithal to have been > simply magnanimous. I suspect he freed her because of her child/children > and > that he knew they were related. > > Vickie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Gail Meyer Kilgore D'Lites of the Desert Casa Grande, AZ 85122 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sure you have seen the Charles Kilgore Rev pension that lists Avarilla as his widow? Is this not yours? I believe that's right, I ordered it years ago thinling it might be mine but ours is the Charles b 1740 married Martha (LNU) Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: <DJones819@aol.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore slaveholders > Vickie, > > According to family legend, our Kilgores also owned slaves and in Wythe > Co, VA but we have never been able to prove that as we have never been > able > to connect our Avarilla Jane Kilgore Heaton to any Kilgore. I keep > looking > when possible and reading all the info on the Kilgore rootsweb but still > have my brick wall. > > > In a message dated 12/12/2009 8:46:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > vickie7293@msn.com writes: > > Considering the number of Kilgore slave holders prior to the Civil War > it's to be expected that at least some passed on their genetic material to > their slaves. I'm 99% positive that my ancestor Charles Kilgore did > and/or it > was one of his sons. He freed a slave in his will and she almost > certainly bore either Charles or one of his sons a child whose last name > became > Henderson because Charles' son, disobeyed his wishes and instead of > freeing > the slave he sold her to his brother-in-law. Many years later, this > former > slave was able to go to court to sue for her freedom; which the court > granted along with the children she had after the date she was supposed > to have > been freed in the first place. This was in 1853 however, her owner > appealed > the ruling and it was still in the courts in 1858. I don't know the > outcome. I suspect it wasn't until the Emancipation Proclamation that > she was > actually freed rather than through the courts; although they did rule in > her > favor. Her el! > dest child, Washington Henderson was listed as a mulatto on 1850 slave > census and Charles Kilgore really didn't have the wherewithal to have > been > simply magnanimous. I suspect he freed her because of her child/children > and > that he knew they were related. > > Vickie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just trying to knock down some brick walls........big brick walls..... I have a brick wall so huge and nothing has tumbled it... Kilgore/Alexander line. I am almost positive that the Alexander line connects to the 7 in MD but can't find Jack's 5th G Grandfather Alexander in PA. Scream....The Kilgore's were easy... the maternal line is not easy. I need someone in PA with lots of "free" time that wants a challenge.. either York or Lancaster Co., PA. AND, Jack has talk-able family living in both counties and they are not as serious about genealogy as some of us are. g On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Charles Shaw <superchief87@roadrunner.com>wrote: > I'm so glad that our Kilgore ancestry stops with Nancy b. 1799. It seems > to > get very confusing after that. > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > 330 425 8819 > fax 330 963 6858 > Engineered Special Products Inc. > Product Engineer > Adsco Line Products Inc. > superchief87@roadrunner.com > superchief87@yahoo.com > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Freda Daniel" <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts >

Yikes, with all the Kilgore's that were in VA, you still have a brick wall? Gail On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:59 PM, <DJones819@aol.com> wrote: > Vickie, > > According to family legend, our Kilgores also owned slaves and in Wythe > Co, VA but we have never been able to prove that as we have never been > able > to connect our Avarilla Jane Kilgore Heaton to any Kilgore. I keep > looking > when possible and reading all the info on the Kilgore rootsweb but still > have my brick wall. > > > In a message dated 12/12/2009 8:46:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > vickie7293@msn.com writes: > > Considering the number of Kilgore slave holders prior to the Civil War > it's to be expected that at least some passed on their genetic material to > their slaves. I'm 99% positive that my ancestor Charles Kilgore did > and/or it > was one of his sons. He freed a slave in his will and she almost > certainly bore either Charles or one of his sons a child whose last name > became > Henderson because Charles' son, disobeyed his wishes and instead of > freeing > the slave he sold her to his brother-in-law. Many years later, this > former > slave was able to go to court to sue for her freedom; which the court > granted along with the children she had after the date she was supposed to > have > been freed in the first place. This was in 1853 however, her owner > appealed > the ruling and it was still in the courts in 1858. I don't know the > outcome. I suspect it wasn't until the Emancipation Proclamation that she > was > actually freed rather than through the courts; although they did rule in > her > favor. Her el! > dest child, Washington Henderson was listed as a mulatto on 1850 slave > census and Charles Kilgore really didn't have the wherewithal to have been > simply magnanimous. I suspect he freed her because of her child/children > and > that he knew they were related. > > Vickie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Gail Meyer Kilgore D'Lites of the Desert Casa Grande, AZ 85122

Vickie, According to family legend, our Kilgores also owned slaves and in Wythe Co, VA but we have never been able to prove that as we have never been able to connect our Avarilla Jane Kilgore Heaton to any Kilgore. I keep looking when possible and reading all the info on the Kilgore rootsweb but still have my brick wall. In a message dated 12/12/2009 8:46:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vickie7293@msn.com writes: Considering the number of Kilgore slave holders prior to the Civil War it's to be expected that at least some passed on their genetic material to their slaves. I'm 99% positive that my ancestor Charles Kilgore did and/or it was one of his sons. He freed a slave in his will and she almost certainly bore either Charles or one of his sons a child whose last name became Henderson because Charles' son, disobeyed his wishes and instead of freeing the slave he sold her to his brother-in-law. Many years later, this former slave was able to go to court to sue for her freedom; which the court granted along with the children she had after the date she was supposed to have been freed in the first place. This was in 1853 however, her owner appealed the ruling and it was still in the courts in 1858. I don't know the outcome. I suspect it wasn't until the Emancipation Proclamation that she was actually freed rather than through the courts; although they did rule in her favor. Her el! dest child, Washington Henderson was listed as a mulatto on 1850 slave census and Charles Kilgore really didn't have the wherewithal to have been simply magnanimous. I suspect he freed her because of her child/children and that he knew they were related. Vickie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm so glad that our Kilgore ancestry stops with Nancy b. 1799. It seems to get very confusing after that. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 330 425 8819 fax 330 963 6858 Engineered Special Products Inc. Product Engineer Adsco Line Products Inc. superchief87@roadrunner.com superchief87@yahoo.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Freda Daniel" <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts Vickie, This is confusing. Maybe Elizabeth was the first wife of Peter or there was an Elizabeth Kilgore m William Hutchings before 1664. She could possibly be a sister to Peter and they would both have inherited from Alexander Reade. Elizabeth Hutchings is on several deeds with Alexander Reade. This needs a lot of work to figure out if Peter of Wake was the s/o Elizabeth or Mary Haydon. I found your listings on Peter I and Peter II in the archives. I know there are many Lancaster books. I have ABSTRACTS OF LANCASTER COUNTY, VIRGINIA, WILLS 1653-1899 and LANCASTER COUNTY VIRGINIA MARRIAGE BONDS 1652-1850 but can't find any later ones for sale. Wish I had time to go to Houston Clayton Library. --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Vickie Miller <vickie7293@msn.com> wrote: From: Vickie Miller <vickie7293@msn.com> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:08 AM Actually according to this, Peter's wife was named Elizabeth & he was the son of Peter Kilgore and Anne Reed d/o Alexander Reed and the elder Peter was in Lancaster Co VA as early as 1628!!!! Lancaster County Deeds 1710-1714 p9-10 In a deed dated 16 Mar 1711/1712 from Peter Kilgore of Lancaster Co to Thomas Pinson for 40 acres of land. It states that this land was originally sold to Peter Kilgore & Robert Bennett by Deed of Sale from William Thatcher & Elizabeth his wife dated 20 March 1628 and that this land was devised unto Peter by LW & Testament of Peter's father, Peter Kilgore. In another deed p42-44 it states tht land being sold by Peter Kilgore in a deed dated 8 Jan 1713 that the land was devised to his mother Anne Reed by Last Will & Testament of her father Alexander Reed dated 22 Feb 1669. This deed is signed Peter Kilgore & Elizabeth Kilgore p75-77 In a deed dated 2 Jan 1713 the deed proves that Anne Reed's husband was Peter Kilgore and their son was also named Peter Kilgore So you can trace your lineage back to 1628-Lancaster Co VA-which makes this Peter the earliest known Kilgore in the US Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Freda Daniel<mailto:ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com<mailto:kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts Actually, I was trying to say Spotsylvania off the top of my head and it came out Scott. This tells you there isn't much in the top of my head. I am aware of Peter I of Lancaster. He died 1709. Sons: Peter II and John, daughters: Ann and Margaret. No wife is mentioned. This is from: Abstracts LANCASTER COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILLS 1653 - 1800. >From SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS 1721 - 1800: (my e-mail won't get out of >Italics) Mary Kilgore, admx. of Peter, decd., with John and William >Hackney, sec. May 2, 1727. This would be the Mary Haydon that m Peter >Kilgow, 1 Nov 1722. This would be Peter II, Peter and John witnessed a deed >there in 1726. These men would be brothers. There were brothers Peter III and John in Johnston Co., NC as per the will of John, 1761. I have a copy of this will. John does not mention a son Haden. He states that his plantation borders Haden's line. There are two lines in the will that have holes. Because of the dates, I am assuming (not proven) they are the children of Peter II and Mary Hadon. Her husband must have died young. Now we are to Peter III. There is an IGI record stating that Peter Kilgow m Rachel Hunter. they give the date1762 but I have not found this record. Also, there doesn't seem to be a will for this Peter but he was the one in Johnston and Wake Co, NC. He is the father of my James. Does any of this make sense? John, the #114277 was just a typo. It should be #114274. I think there is no doubt that the SC group came from NC. There are a lot of people researching this line. I knew about the Maine Kilgores but hadn't considered they were related to my ancestors. --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John Kilgore <john@johnkilgore.com<mailto:john@johnkilgore.com>> wrote: From: John Kilgore <john@johnkilgore.com<mailto:john@johnkilgore.com>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts To: kilgore@rootsweb.com<mailto:kilgore@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 1:58 PM Hi Freda, The Joseph I was referring to is the one who was born in Markinch Scotland and moved to Maine. The kit number is 163654, and the lineage is given on the result pages as: John Kilgore, b. abt 1660, Scotland, Joseph Killgore, b 1690 Markinch Scotland, John Killgore, b. Maine, Joseph, b. Maine, Isaac, Sr., Maine, Isaac, Jr., Andrew, b. Michigan, Roy Sr. b. Michigan I don't see a kit number 114777 on the results page. There is a 114727, which is the James listed as follows: James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist., Peter Kilgore, Henry Kilgore, Robert Kilgore, b. 1850 Calhoun MS, Lewis Kilgore., b. 1886, Young's MS, Kilgore , Pope, Panola, MS It appears that Joseph, James and and your Peter Kilgo all come from what I am hypothesizing as the Scottish branch, as opposed to the Scots Irish branch, of the Kilgores. The DNA evidence, as far as I can tell, supports the theory that your brother is descended from Peter, the first Kilgore in America (1628. according to Vickie's excellent information,) who might have arrived directly from Scotland. It's also possible that he came to the new world from Ireland, as the Plantation of Ulster, begun in 1606 and taken over by the Crown in 1609, was already well under way. If so, he came here prior to the genetic diversification of the Kilgore lineages, and thus would have had the "original" Kilgore markers. At least that's my theory. Hope this helps, JK On Nov 21, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Freda Daniel wrote: > John, > > Thank you so much for your work on the charts. I am totally out in > left field on DNA. > > My brother's kit is #135168. This adds some value to my theory that > I descend from Peter of Scott, VA and his son Peter of Wake Co., > NC. Also, I have long thought that Isaac, of Wake, went to SC and > thus the James line. > > I am not familiar with Joseph #114777. Is he of Scott Co and is > anyone on this board connected to him? I know he didn't belong to > Peter, Sr, maybe a brother? > > Wish we could find someone to test for Isaac and John, brother of > Peter, Jr. > > Freda Kilgo Daniel > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE- > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excellent research Vicki. We all have ancestors that were slave owners. I believe the slaves used the owners last name as their own. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 330 425 8819 fax 330 963 6858 Engineered Special Products Inc. Product Engineer Adsco Line Products Inc. superchief87@roadrunner.com superchief87@yahoo.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <vickie7293@msn.com> To: "Kilgore" <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:45 AM Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore slaveholders > Considering the number of Kilgore slave holders prior to the Civil War > it's to be expected that at least some passed on their genetic material to > their slaves. I'm 99% positive that my ancestor Charles Kilgore did > and/or it was one of his sons. He freed a slave in his will and she > almost certainly bore either Charles or one of his sons a child whose last > name became Henderson because Charles' son, disobeyed his wishes and > instead of freeing the slave he sold her to his brother-in-law. Many > years later, this former slave was able to go to court to sue for her > freedom; which the court granted along with the children she had after the > date she was supposed to have been freed in the first place. This was in > 1853 however, her owner appealed the ruling and it was still in the courts > in 1858. I don't know the outcome. I suspect it wasn't until the > Emancipation Proclamation that she was actually freed rather than through > the courts; although they did rule in her favor. Her el! > dest child, Washington Henderson was listed as a mulatto on 1850 slave > census and Charles Kilgore really didn't have the wherewithal to have been > simply magnanimous. I suspect he freed her because of her child/children > and that he knew they were related. > > Vickie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Vickie,   This is confusing. Maybe Elizabeth was the first wife of Peter or there was an Elizabeth Kilgore m William Hutchings before 1664. She could possibly be a sister to Peter and they would both have inherited from Alexander Reade. Elizabeth Hutchings is on several deeds with Alexander Reade. This needs a lot of work to figure out if Peter of Wake was the s/o Elizabeth or Mary Haydon.    I found your listings on Peter I and Peter II in the archives. I know there are many Lancaster books. I have ABSTRACTS OF LANCASTER COUNTY, VIRGINIA, WILLS 1653-1899 and LANCASTER COUNTY VIRGINIA MARRIAGE BONDS 1652-1850 but can't find any later ones for sale. Wish I had time to go to Houston Clayton Library. --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Vickie Miller <vickie7293@msn.com> wrote: From: Vickie Miller <vickie7293@msn.com> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:08 AM Actually according to this, Peter's wife was named Elizabeth & he was the son of Peter Kilgore and Anne Reed d/o Alexander Reed and the elder Peter was in Lancaster Co VA as early as 1628!!!! Lancaster County Deeds 1710-1714 p9-10 In a deed dated 16 Mar 1711/1712 from Peter Kilgore of Lancaster Co to Thomas Pinson for 40 acres of land.  It states that this land was originally sold to Peter Kilgore & Robert Bennett by Deed of Sale from William Thatcher & Elizabeth his wife dated 20 March 1628 and that this land was devised unto Peter by LW & Testament of Peter's father, Peter Kilgore.  In another deed p42-44 it states tht land being sold by Peter Kilgore in a deed dated 8 Jan 1713 that the land was devised to his mother Anne Reed by Last Will & Testament of her father Alexander Reed dated 22 Feb 1669.  This deed is signed Peter Kilgore & Elizabeth Kilgore p75-77 In a deed dated 2 Jan 1713 the deed proves that Anne Reed's husband was Peter Kilgore and their son was also named Peter Kilgore So you can trace your lineage back to 1628-Lancaster Co VA-which makes this Peter the earliest known Kilgore in the US Vickie   ----- Original Message -----   From: Freda Daniel<mailto:ftdan2@sbcglobal.net>   To: kilgore@rootsweb.com<mailto:kilgore@rootsweb.com>   Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 4:03 PM   Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts   Actually, I was trying to say Spotsylvania off the top of my head and it came out Scott. This tells you there isn't much in the top of my head. I am aware of Peter I of Lancaster. He died 1709. Sons: Peter II and John, daughters: Ann and Margaret. No wife is mentioned. This is from: Abstracts LANCASTER COUNTY, VIRGINIA WILLS 1653 - 1800.   >From SPOTSYLVANIA COUNTY RECORDS 1721 - 1800: (my e-mail won't get out of Italics) Mary Kilgore, admx. of Peter, decd., with John and William Hackney, sec. May 2, 1727. This would be the Mary Haydon that m Peter Kilgow, 1 Nov 1722. This would be Peter II, Peter and John witnessed a deed there in 1726. These men would be brothers.   There were brothers Peter III and John in Johnston Co., NC as per the will of John, 1761. I have a copy of this will. John does not mention a son Haden. He states that his plantation borders Haden's line. There are two lines in the will that have holes. Because of the dates, I am assuming (not proven) they are the children of Peter II and Mary Hadon. Her husband must have died young.   Now we are to Peter III. There is an IGI record stating that Peter Kilgow m Rachel Hunter. they give the date1762 but I have not found this record. Also, there doesn't seem to be a will for this Peter but he was the one in Johnston and Wake Co, NC. He is the father of my James.   Does any of this make sense?   John, the #114277 was just a typo. It should be #114274. I think there is no doubt that the SC group came from NC. There are a lot of people researching this line. I knew about the Maine Kilgores but hadn't considered they were related to my ancestors.   --- On Sat, 11/21/09, John Kilgore <john@johnkilgore.com<mailto:john@johnkilgore.com>> wrote:   From: John Kilgore <john@johnkilgore.com<mailto:john@johnkilgore.com>>   Subject: Re: [KILGORE] John's charts   To: kilgore@rootsweb.com<mailto:kilgore@rootsweb.com>   Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 1:58 PM   Hi Freda,   The Joseph I was referring to is the one who was born in Markinch   Scotland and moved to Maine. The kit number is 163654, and the   lineage is given on the result pages as:   John Kilgore, b. abt 1660, Scotland,   Joseph Killgore, b 1690 Markinch Scotland,   John Killgore, b. Maine,   Joseph, b. Maine,   Isaac, Sr., Maine,   Isaac, Jr., Andrew, b. Michigan,   Roy Sr. b. Michigan   I don't see a kit number 114777 on the results page. There is a   114727, which is the James listed as follows:   James Kilgore b. 1760, Hartsville, SC Darlington Dist.,   Peter Kilgore, Henry Kilgore,   Robert Kilgore, b. 1850 Calhoun MS,   Lewis Kilgore., b. 1886, Young's MS,   Kilgore , Pope, Panola, MS   It appears that Joseph, James and and your Peter Kilgo all come from   what I am hypothesizing as the Scottish branch, as opposed to the   Scots Irish branch, of the Kilgores. The DNA evidence, as far as I   can tell, supports the theory that your brother is descended from   Peter, the first Kilgore in America (1628. according to Vickie's   excellent information,) who might have arrived directly from   Scotland. It's also possible that he came to the new world from   Ireland, as the Plantation of Ulster, begun in 1606 and taken over by   the Crown in 1609, was already well under way. If so, he came here   prior to the genetic diversification of the Kilgore lineages, and   thus would have had the "original" Kilgore markers. At least that's   my theory.   Hope this helps,   JK   On Nov 21, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Freda Daniel wrote:   > John,   >   > Thank you so much for your work on the charts. I am totally out in   > left field on DNA.   >   > My brother's kit is #135168. This adds some value to my theory that   > I descend from Peter of Scott, VA and his son Peter of Wake Co.,   > NC. Also, I have long thought that Isaac, of Wake, went to SC and   > thus the James line.   >   > I am not familiar with Joseph #114777. Is he of Scott Co and is   > anyone on this board connected to him? I know he didn't belong to   > Peter, Sr, maybe a brother?   >   > Wish we could find someone to test for Isaac and John, brother of   > Peter, Jr.   >   > Freda Kilgo Daniel   >   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-   > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes   > in the subject and the body of the message   >   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Considering the number of Kilgore slave holders prior to the Civil War it's to be expected that at least some passed on their genetic material to their slaves. I'm 99% positive that my ancestor Charles Kilgore did and/or it was one of his sons. He freed a slave in his will and she almost certainly bore either Charles or one of his sons a child whose last name became Henderson because Charles' son, disobeyed his wishes and instead of freeing the slave he sold her to his brother-in-law. Many years later, this former slave was able to go to court to sue for her freedom; which the court granted along with the children she had after the date she was supposed to have been freed in the first place. This was in 1853 however, her owner appealed the ruling and it was still in the courts in 1858. I don't know the outcome. I suspect it wasn't until the Emancipation Proclamation that she was actually freed rather than through the courts; although they did rule in her favor. Her eldest child, Washington Henderson was listed as a mulatto on 1850 slave census and Charles Kilgore really didn't have the wherewithal to have been simply magnanimous. I suspect he freed her because of her child/children and that he knew they were related. Vickie

D Renrow, What you are saying is true. I was talking about the Melungeons when they came over. , not as they are right now. After a few generations here they were of mixed race, primarily black and Indian as the whites wanted nothing to do with them. The original melungeons were a pure line and as "white" but also as dark as the Arabs or Jews. However, the ones of mixed races are not called Melungeons any more. They are listed a white now that they have eliminated the "brown" category. Again, I was referring to the original immigrants not the present day mixed breeds of which we all are. I am Irish, English, but mostly German. My wife is English, Bavarian but mostly Scott-Irish. I disagree that race should not be used in personal identification. Race is a big factor in medical identification. Different races are allergic to different modifications. I learned this fact after a grand mall seizure in Cleveland. They were treating me as European and not from the GB islands. They "Knew" of the difference, but no one told them of my ancestry. Have a great day. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 330 425 8819 fax 330 963 6858 Engineered Special Products Inc. Product Engineer Adsco Line Products Inc. superchief87@roadrunner.com superchief87@yahoo.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <topdog@corgi.net> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > Sherry is much closer to the truth or at least as it is believed to be > right now. > > Melungeons are mutts. Various mixtures making up the assorted family > lines. One thing for sure is that Melungeons are not pure white. They > carry genetic traits, which are consistent with Jewish lines. The > Indian connection has been documented. The black influence has also > been documented in certain lines. > > I found a federal document many years ago that was the official federal > guideline from the early 1900's If a person was half white and half > black, they were black. Half white and half Indian were Indian. Half > white, a quarter black and a quarter Indian could choose to be black or > Indian but not white. > > Census takers used their own judgment. They did not ask the subject > what their race was. > > Today we have the added confusion of Hispanic verses white, black, or > Indian. Or mutts that may or may not look like what they claim their > race to be. Because of the high degree of errors and confusion as to > what defines each race or what you do with mixes, race should not be > used in personal identification. > > While I am ranting... > > Have you noticed how many Irish people are dark skinned? That is > because the Romans brought Africans to the isle. They mixed with the > locals and Vikings. That also may explain where all the red hair came > from. > > There just aren't many pure white lines out there. > > Your Mutt Cousin > Dennie > > > > > > > Sherry Arnold wrote: >> Bob, I beg to differ with you,, there are numerous Melungeon sites and I >> am >> sure you will find much detailed info. They are tri racial!!! They are >> Native America/African/White!!! I can send you a link if you would >> like??? >> >> Sherry >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> >> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> >> >> >>> Freda >>> The melungeons are not tri racial. They are white. They are from the >>> Mediterranean area and dark skinned. >>> >>> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >>> 2425 Sherwin dr. >>> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >>> 330 425 8819 >>> fax 330 963 6858 >>> Engineered Special Products Inc. >>> Product Engineer >>> Adsco Line Products Inc. >>> superchief87@roadrunner.com >>> superchief87@yahoo.com >>> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Freda Daniel" <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> >>> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >>> >>> >>> >>> This is interesting. My James Kilgo, b 1777 in Wake, NC, was the s/o >>> Peter >>> and Rachel Hunter. He moved with that group from Wake to Clarke Co., GA, >>> to >>> Gwinnett, and then to Walton. Fortunately he was on the 1850 census. >>> There >>> were several other Kilgores there too. I know there was Peter Sr. There >>> was >>> a Peter W ,on the 1850 census, with wife Sarah. I am sure all of these >>> men >>> were connected. >>> >>> There was a discussion several years ago on this board about Melungeons. >>> I >>> believe it was Jack Goins that initiated it, stating that he was a >>> Melungeon. They are described as tri-racial. No one seems to know >>> exactly >>> the races but believe they are part Indian, black, and white. The white >>> was >>> possibly Portuguese, Spanish or Mediterranean. >>> >>> Keep us posted about the Walton Co Peter Kilgore. >>> >>> Freda Kilgo Daniel >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >>> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:46 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> Regarding Peter Kilgore: >>> >>> Funny you should mention that. Last week, I met a young woman of Black >>> African descent who, in routine conversation, identifed Peter Kilgore of >>> Walton County as her great-great-grandfather. I asked her about the >>> Thomas >>> Kilgore of Harbins, Gwinnett County GA in the DNA study, and she didn't >>> know >>> about him. I am in DeKalb County GA, and intend to go back and compare >>> genealogies with the young lady. She told me she has done extensive work >>> on >>> her families. I'll post whatever she lets me in on. >>> >>> Christopher Kilgore >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> >>> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:02 am >>> Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >>> >>> >>> Found this interesting article on p. 116 of the attached book while >>> oogling< "Peter Kilgore" "Mary Haydon"> & was wondering if Peter's >>> tepson could be the ancestor of our African American Kilgore. >>> >>> >>> Mary Haydon of Wicomico Parish, Lancaster Co,, VA gave birth to a >>> astard mulatto child c1716. This is probably the same Mary who was >>> ound later "living in sin with Peter Kilgore" in Spottsylvania Co, VA >>> n 1722 ( A Peter Kilgore appeared in Lancaster Co. records as early >>> s 1677). They agreed to marry to avoid prosecution & a few weeks >>> ater, their marriage filing appeared in [neighboring] "King George >>> o, VA records on Nov. 1, 1722. >>> ith this child being a Kilgore stepson as opposed to a biological son >>> f Peter, his YDNA would probably not match any of our Kilgore lines >>> - unless HIS father's father was a Kilgore. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com >>> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of >>> he message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sherry is much closer to the truth or at least as it is believed to be right now. Melungeons are mutts. Various mixtures making up the assorted family lines. One thing for sure is that Melungeons are not pure white. They carry genetic traits, which are consistent with Jewish lines. The Indian connection has been documented. The black influence has also been documented in certain lines. I found a federal document many years ago that was the official federal guideline from the early 1900's If a person was half white and half black, they were black. Half white and half Indian were Indian. Half white, a quarter black and a quarter Indian could choose to be black or Indian but not white. Census takers used their own judgment. They did not ask the subject what their race was. Today we have the added confusion of Hispanic verses white, black, or Indian. Or mutts that may or may not look like what they claim their race to be. Because of the high degree of errors and confusion as to what defines each race or what you do with mixes, race should not be used in personal identification. While I am ranting... Have you noticed how many Irish people are dark skinned? That is because the Romans brought Africans to the isle. They mixed with the locals and Vikings. That also may explain where all the red hair came from. There just aren't many pure white lines out there. Your Mutt Cousin Dennie Sherry Arnold wrote: > Bob, I beg to differ with you,, there are numerous Melungeon sites and I am > sure you will find much detailed info. They are tri racial!!! They are > Native America/African/White!!! I can send you a link if you would like??? > > Sherry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > > > >> Freda >> The melungeons are not tri racial. They are white. They are from the >> Mediterranean area and dark skinned. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> 330 425 8819 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> Engineered Special Products Inc. >> Product Engineer >> Adsco Line Products Inc. >> superchief87@roadrunner.com >> superchief87@yahoo.com >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Freda Daniel" <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> >> >> >> This is interesting. My James Kilgo, b 1777 in Wake, NC, was the s/o Peter >> and Rachel Hunter. He moved with that group from Wake to Clarke Co., GA, >> to >> Gwinnett, and then to Walton. Fortunately he was on the 1850 census. There >> were several other Kilgores there too. I know there was Peter Sr. There >> was >> a Peter W ,on the 1850 census, with wife Sarah. I am sure all of these men >> were connected. >> >> There was a discussion several years ago on this board about Melungeons. I >> believe it was Jack Goins that initiated it, stating that he was a >> Melungeon. They are described as tri-racial. No one seems to know exactly >> the races but believe they are part Indian, black, and white. The white >> was >> possibly Portuguese, Spanish or Mediterranean. >> >> Keep us posted about the Walton Co Peter Kilgore. >> >> Freda Kilgo Daniel >> >> >> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:46 PM >> >> >> >> Regarding Peter Kilgore: >> >> Funny you should mention that. Last week, I met a young woman of Black >> African descent who, in routine conversation, identifed Peter Kilgore of >> Walton County as her great-great-grandfather. I asked her about the Thomas >> Kilgore of Harbins, Gwinnett County GA in the DNA study, and she didn't >> know >> about him. I am in DeKalb County GA, and intend to go back and compare >> genealogies with the young lady. She told me she has done extensive work >> on >> her families. I'll post whatever she lets me in on. >> >> Christopher Kilgore >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> >> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:02 am >> Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> >> >> Found this interesting article on p. 116 of the attached book while >> oogling< "Peter Kilgore" "Mary Haydon"> & was wondering if Peter's >> tepson could be the ancestor of our African American Kilgore. >> >> >> Mary Haydon of Wicomico Parish, Lancaster Co,, VA gave birth to a >> astard mulatto child c1716. This is probably the same Mary who was >> ound later "living in sin with Peter Kilgore" in Spottsylvania Co, VA >> n 1722 ( A Peter Kilgore appeared in Lancaster Co. records as early >> s 1677). They agreed to marry to avoid prosecution & a few weeks >> ater, their marriage filing appeared in [neighboring] "King George >> o, VA records on Nov. 1, 1722. >> ith this child being a Kilgore stepson as opposed to a biological son >> f Peter, his YDNA would probably not match any of our Kilgore lines >> - unless HIS father's father was a Kilgore. >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com >> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sherry, you may differ but this time you happen to be wrong, or your source was wrong. I have gone thru many recent links and talked to a few of them. They are NOT triracial, they are not native American and are white. Thy came from Portugal and around the Mediterranean in the middle 1600's. Their names are primarily Irish. Many were called the "black Irish". Both Nancy and I have some of these in our ancestors. Bob Shaw Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 330 425 8819 fax 330 963 6858 Engineered Special Products Inc. Product Engineer Adsco Line Products Inc. superchief87@roadrunner.com superchief87@yahoo.com www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Arnold" <sarnold77@verizon.net> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > Bob, I beg to differ with you,, there are numerous Melungeon sites and I > am > sure you will find much detailed info. They are tri racial!!! They are > Native America/African/White!!! I can send you a link if you would > like??? > > Sherry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > > >> Freda >> The melungeons are not tri racial. They are white. They are from the >> Mediterranean area and dark skinned. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> 330 425 8819 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> Engineered Special Products Inc. >> Product Engineer >> Adsco Line Products Inc. >> superchief87@roadrunner.com >> superchief87@yahoo.com >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Freda Daniel" <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> >> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> >> >> >> This is interesting. My James Kilgo, b 1777 in Wake, NC, was the s/o >> Peter >> and Rachel Hunter. He moved with that group from Wake to Clarke Co., GA, >> to >> Gwinnett, and then to Walton. Fortunately he was on the 1850 census. >> There >> were several other Kilgores there too. I know there was Peter Sr. There >> was >> a Peter W ,on the 1850 census, with wife Sarah. I am sure all of these >> men >> were connected. >> >> There was a discussion several years ago on this board about Melungeons. >> I >> believe it was Jack Goins that initiated it, stating that he was a >> Melungeon. They are described as tri-racial. No one seems to know exactly >> the races but believe they are part Indian, black, and white. The white >> was >> possibly Portuguese, Spanish or Mediterranean. >> >> Keep us posted about the Walton Co Peter Kilgore. >> >> Freda Kilgo Daniel >> >> >> --- On Thu, 12/10/09, kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> wrote: >> >> >> From: kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:46 PM >> >> >> >> Regarding Peter Kilgore: >> >> Funny you should mention that. Last week, I met a young woman of Black >> African descent who, in routine conversation, identifed Peter Kilgore of >> Walton County as her great-great-grandfather. I asked her about the >> Thomas >> Kilgore of Harbins, Gwinnett County GA in the DNA study, and she didn't >> know >> about him. I am in DeKalb County GA, and intend to go back and compare >> genealogies with the young lady. She told me she has done extensive work >> on >> her families. I'll post whatever she lets me in on. >> >> Christopher Kilgore >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> >> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:02 am >> Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) >> >> >> Found this interesting article on p. 116 of the attached book while >> oogling< "Peter Kilgore" "Mary Haydon"> & was wondering if Peter's >> tepson could be the ancestor of our African American Kilgore. >> >> >> Mary Haydon of Wicomico Parish, Lancaster Co,, VA gave birth to a >> astard mulatto child c1716. This is probably the same Mary who was >> ound later "living in sin with Peter Kilgore" in Spottsylvania Co, VA >> n 1722 ( A Peter Kilgore appeared in Lancaster Co. records as early >> s 1677). They agreed to marry to avoid prosecution & a few weeks >> ater, their marriage filing appeared in [neighboring] "King George >> o, VA records on Nov. 1, 1722. >> ith this child being a Kilgore stepson as opposed to a biological son >> f Peter, his YDNA would probably not match any of our Kilgore lines >> - unless HIS father's father was a Kilgore. >> >> ------------------------------ >> o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com >> ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> he message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jack Goins, who was on the list from the beginning and until he died, did a lot of work on Melungeons and his information is in the archives. Also, the Jack Goins mentioned on Wikipedia is a cousin to our Jack and our Jack gave his genealogy information to the now Jack Goins, the cousin. Gail

Dear Freda and K-listers, I was pretty stunned when she disclosed it. She gave no "year" information, or much else, just a name and a place, and that the relation was a gg-grandfather. We agreed to share genealogical information and I will try to do that ASAP, and get this back to the K-Board. I have been able to pick apart the Walton County GA KILGOREs who are represented in the Federal census, pretty well. There are several lines in Walton alone, probably all connected to a common ancestor. These particular KILGOREs though are not my direct ancestors. I suspect that we may found out how the Thomas Kilgore of Harbins, Gwinnett County, GA who is represented in the DNA study is tied in. Christopher (Kit) Kilgore -----Original Message----- From: Freda Daniel <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> To: kilgore@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 10:08 pm Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) his is interesting. My James Kilgo, b 1777 in Wake, NC, was the s/o Peter and achel Hunter. He moved with that group from Wake to Clarke Co., GA, to winnett, and then to Walton. Fortunately he was on the 1850 census. There were everal other Kilgores there too. I know there was Peter Sr. There was a Peter W on the 1850 census, with wife Sarah. I am sure all of these men were connected. here was a discussion several years ago on this board about Melungeons. I elieve it was Jack Goins that initiated it, stating that he was a elungeon. They are described as tri-racial. No one seems to know exactly the aces but believe they are part Indian, black, and white. The white was possibly ortuguese, Spanish or Mediterranean. eep us posted about the Walton Co Peter Kilgore. reda Kilgo Daniel -- On Thu, 12/10/09, kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> wrote: rom: kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> ubject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) o: kilgore@rootsweb.com ate: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:46 PM Regarding Peter Kilgore: Funny you should mention that. Last week, I met a young woman of Black African escent who, in routine conversation, identifed Peter Kilgore of Walton County s her great-great-grandfather. I asked her about the Thomas Kilgore of arbins, Gwinnett County GA in the DNA study, and she didn't know about him. I m in DeKalb County GA, and intend to go back and compare genealogies with the oung lady. She told me she has done extensive work on her families. I'll post hatever she lets me in on. Christopher Kilgore -----Original Message----- rom: Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> o: kilgore@rootsweb.com ent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:02 am ubject: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) ound this interesting article on p. 116 of the attached book while ogling< "Peter Kilgore" "Mary Haydon"> & was wondering if Peter's epson could be the ancestor of our African American Kilgore. ary Haydon of Wicomico Parish, Lancaster Co,, VA gave birth to a stard mulatto child c1716. This is probably the same Mary who was und later "living in sin with Peter Kilgore" in Spottsylvania Co, VA 1722 ( A Peter Kilgore appeared in Lancaster Co. records as early 1677). They agreed to marry to avoid prosecution & a few weeks ter, their marriage filing appeared in [neighboring] "King George , VA records on Nov. 1, 1722. th this child being a Kilgore stepson as opposed to a biological son Peter, his YDNA would probably not match any of our Kilgore lines unless HIS father's father was a Kilgore. ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Bob, I beg to differ with you,, there are numerous Melungeon sites and I am sure you will find much detailed info. They are tri racial!!! They are Native America/African/White!!! I can send you a link if you would like??? Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Shaw" <superchief87@roadrunner.com> To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > Freda > The melungeons are not tri racial. They are white. They are from the > Mediterranean area and dark skinned. > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > 330 425 8819 > fax 330 963 6858 > Engineered Special Products Inc. > Product Engineer > Adsco Line Products Inc. > superchief87@roadrunner.com > superchief87@yahoo.com > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Freda Daniel" <ftdan2@sbcglobal.net> > To: <kilgore@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > > > > This is interesting. My James Kilgo, b 1777 in Wake, NC, was the s/o Peter > and Rachel Hunter. He moved with that group from Wake to Clarke Co., GA, > to > Gwinnett, and then to Walton. Fortunately he was on the 1850 census. There > were several other Kilgores there too. I know there was Peter Sr. There > was > a Peter W ,on the 1850 census, with wife Sarah. I am sure all of these men > were connected. > > There was a discussion several years ago on this board about Melungeons. I > believe it was Jack Goins that initiated it, stating that he was a > Melungeon. They are described as tri-racial. No one seems to know exactly > the races but believe they are part Indian, black, and white. The white > was > possibly Portuguese, Spanish or Mediterranean. > > Keep us posted about the Walton Co Peter Kilgore. > > Freda Kilgo Daniel > > > --- On Thu, 12/10/09, kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> wrote: > > > From: kilgorecp@cs.com <kilgorecp@cs.com> > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > To: kilgore@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 4:46 PM > > > > Regarding Peter Kilgore: > > Funny you should mention that. Last week, I met a young woman of Black > African descent who, in routine conversation, identifed Peter Kilgore of > Walton County as her great-great-grandfather. I asked her about the Thomas > Kilgore of Harbins, Gwinnett County GA in the DNA study, and she didn't > know > about him. I am in DeKalb County GA, and intend to go back and compare > genealogies with the young lady. She told me she has done extensive work > on > her families. I'll post whatever she lets me in on. > > Christopher Kilgore > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack R. Templeton <jacktempleton27@me.com> > To: kilgore@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, Dec 9, 2009 10:02 am > Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore- Mulatto Stepson of Peter Kilgore ( 1709) > > > Found this interesting article on p. 116 of the attached book while > oogling< "Peter Kilgore" "Mary Haydon"> & was wondering if Peter's > tepson could be the ancestor of our African American Kilgore. > > > Mary Haydon of Wicomico Parish, Lancaster Co,, VA gave birth to a > astard mulatto child c1716. This is probably the same Mary who was > ound later "living in sin with Peter Kilgore" in Spottsylvania Co, VA > n 1722 ( A Peter Kilgore appeared in Lancaster Co. records as early > s 1677). They agreed to marry to avoid prosecution & a few weeks > ater, their marriage filing appeared in [neighboring] "King George > o, VA records on Nov. 1, 1722. > ith this child being a Kilgore stepson as opposed to a biological son > f Peter, his YDNA would probably not match any of our Kilgore lines > - unless HIS father's father was a Kilgore. > > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KILGORE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >