Tonight I will forget the "purple shorts" and Linda, I think he was a runner of contraband from the states to Cuba. Maybe he got caught up in the Bermuda Triangle and lost his bearings on who he was or was suppose to be....:-) Back to a more serious note... if he had a ship or a boat he was probably, I say probably fishing or shrimping in the Gulf. Would the Maritime ?? have any records of his boat or his logs? Surely they had to check in with someone when they were out to sea and had to report to someone when they came in. If he still has close relatives living, boy I would really pick some brains. I have warn poor Donna out trying to pick her brain. And, by the way... she is doing a lot better. Are you ready for this, she had a bad attack and it wasn't asthma, she has emphysema. But, before she can come to AZ she has to go thru a stress test and have the heart checked out to see why she was having chest pains. That will happen later in January and who knows she might be my neighbor. And, then I will really put her to work on genealogy. Since she won't be able to run a mile, she can type a mile...;-))) Love you, Donna!!! Seriously, I wonder how she can cope with a stress test when she can't carry anything or even walk any distance. I told her to get out and walk the parking lot in her complex and walk around her little golf course and she should start soaking in the hot tub and using her pool. She doesn't have to be on oxygen nor does she have to have any at home and the spot of her lung was from the Valley Fever that she had years ago... so things are looking up and a lot of it is due to the prayers of her family. Gail

Hi to all my Cousins, Was reading the post and have I got a story for ya'll. My great-grandpa (Dale Kemp or Kempler Arden) according to what I have been able to fine is: he was born 26 of Feb. 1870 or 26 Feb. 1876 ?? I have only been able to fine him on one census, and I've been looking for over 30 years :(` (Florida, Monroe County; Eighth Precinct Chokolskee Bay; 12th - 14th July 1900; Census).he was listed as Dillds K. Arden?? living right next door to what is already supposed to be his mother and father-in-laws. The census list him as being born in N. Carolina, father born in Virginia and mother born in N. Carolina; he was listed as being a seaman, which was what I was told. They had applied for a marriage license in Monroe County, but it was never filed. It was filed under Kemp Arden and Bertha Allen 2 Dec. 1899. They had a son to died from falling off his boat at age 2 in the Gulf of Mexico. They moved to Mobile County, Alabama during the year of 1909 to 1910. He homesteaded land there and I have those records which he claims he was born in Virginia. By age 12 he had lost both parents and was living with an uncle. He wasn't getting along well with the uncle's wife so he was put into an orphan home which he didn't care for, so he ran away. I've been looking in North Carolina and Virginia in the census and haven't been able to find anything. I've looked through tax records birth records old newspapers anything I could thing of, but haven't been able to fine anything on this man. Would be willing to take any advice from my cousins on where to try and find his parents. He lived until 1937 but his death certificate says unknown on both parents. There are no pictures of this man because he wouldn't allow pictures to be made of him and there are still two of his children living but they know nothing about him. In fact my great uncle is so willing to have information that he wrote a letter giving me the go ahead to go through any records. I just haven't been able to fine anything. This is a real needle in the hay stack. And with these dates you think I could have found something by now. Can any of you give me any help?? Sincerely, Linda #1

WOW!!!!!!!!!! This is getting really interesting!! Just like an old mystery movie! You know I really know how you feel. How do you tell someone who ask questions like that??? You must have felt really "on the spot." It made me feel like a creep telling family, our war hero Grandfather was not what he seemed to be,(that's putting it very mildly.) when he fought in so many wars & had so many metals. I sometimes think war really warps them. Where in Germany did your Grandfather come from? My father-in-law was under Hitler. He had to escape to the Alps. It's just like the movie, Sound of Music. (I am going to research his family next, when I get mine figured out?) We are going there next month. Thanks again for all your kind support! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Meyer Kilgore" <gkilgore@primenet.com> To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] This is not what I expected > Carolyn, > > You almost have to be a detective or snoop to find anything. If you are > satisfied with just dates that is ok, but to really get the feel of your > ancestors whether good or bad, you have to dig and uncover. > > My grandmother's nephew in Germany wrote to me and asked me where his Uncle > was and where did he go. Now how do you answer a person that you have never > met and tell him that family rumor was that he and my mean old 5'7 > grandfather got into a fight with him and no one ever heard from him again. > It left questions like, did my grandfather kill his brother-in-law, maybe my > grandmother's brother was sent over here to bring her back to Germany as she > was miserable here without her family and that may have started the fight... > but it sure seems strange that my grandmother never heard from her brother > again. I have even asked my sister if we should ask the police dept. if any > bones had ever been found on my grandfather's property that he farmed or if > there were any bodies that were never identified found in the river or > something. I mean this is gruesome thoughts but what happened to him? Some > say that he may have tried to go back to Germany and the ship sank...can't > find any records of sunken ships or ships that were sunk from here to > Germany during WWI. so, since I have found nothing and nothing has been > confirmed except he never returned to Germany, I keep a pleasant thought > that he moved to IA and got connections in the Ostfriesen settlements there, > married and had his own family...BUT, why did he never contact his parents > again??? Always that question....and then when you go back into the 1600 > and 1700's remember that a lot of criminals were sent here to the Colonies > so bad things lurk in all lines. > > Gail > > > ==== KILGORE Mailing List ==== > "How can a tangled web that appears so open be > so impregnable when we try to pierce it as when > we delve into genealogy!" -Jerry A. Penley- > >

Carolyn, You almost have to be a detective or snoop to find anything. If you are satisfied with just dates that is ok, but to really get the feel of your ancestors whether good or bad, you have to dig and uncover. My grandmother's nephew in Germany wrote to me and asked me where his Uncle was and where did he go. Now how do you answer a person that you have never met and tell him that family rumor was that he and my mean old 5'7 grandfather got into a fight with him and no one ever heard from him again. It left questions like, did my grandfather kill his brother-in-law, maybe my grandmother's brother was sent over here to bring her back to Germany as she was miserable here without her family and that may have started the fight... but it sure seems strange that my grandmother never heard from her brother again. I have even asked my sister if we should ask the police dept. if any bones had ever been found on my grandfather's property that he farmed or if there were any bodies that were never identified found in the river or something. I mean this is gruesome thoughts but what happened to him? Some say that he may have tried to go back to Germany and the ship sank...can't find any records of sunken ships or ships that were sunk from here to Germany during WWI. so, since I have found nothing and nothing has been confirmed except he never returned to Germany, I keep a pleasant thought that he moved to IA and got connections in the Ostfriesen settlements there, married and had his own family...BUT, why did he never contact his parents again??? Always that question....and then when you go back into the 1600 and 1700's remember that a lot of criminals were sent here to the Colonies so bad things lurk in all lines. Gail

In a message dated 12/29/01 10:24:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, gkilgore@primenet.com writes: > One of those little stories that add spice to life. > Good or bad, I still loved him, he was after all, my grandfather. > On one of my lines my GGGPa Sumpter who was a justice of the peace back in the early 1800s left his first wife and 14 kids for a younger woman and together they had 11 more children. To me that is genealogy it is not only uncovering the past but learning how life's pattern of today was really not that much different back then. Rather then divorcing their wives many just up and left the state with another woman. Sad but it is true. Others left for other reasons. To me I find these skeletons add more character to life and make us want to search deeper for our roots. We never know what we will uncover. Some people say there was no divorce in our family but I always say, "you never know until you uncover the past." Anyways happy hunting all. Take care DdHober <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/d2hober/civilwar.htm">Civil War Resources</A>

Thank You!! Thank you for your kind words, that really helped. I think I was really feeling bad to have to reveal some things to my five living first cousins. Everyone felt bad. That was difficult. It wasn't a pride thing. (I lost that a long time ago.) What is amazing was that it was like breaking down a wall, so I can move forward. Then with that, you can forgive with time.( I think they call that healing.) In those days things were kept a secret, never dealt with. That really causes confusion & pain. It makes it very hard to do research, too. I think I am starting to feel like a detective or a snoop, not a family historian. I really do appreciate all the help on this board!!!! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Meyer Kilgore" <gkilgore@primenet.com> To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] This is not what I expected > Carolyn, > > You shouldn't feel that way. We are people, we are human and someone has > had to do bad things or things that people like to keep in the closets and > sometimes those bad things happen in our own families. Back in them days > people tried to keep things closed up but we are more open minded now and > can accept what our ancestors did or didn't do. My grandfather was a wanted > man in Germany and he fled the country and went to the Gold Coast of Africa > and worked in the Gold Mines until he could earn enough money to come to > America. He went back into Germany to give my grandmother mother and then > fled again. He may have been wanted for murder as the family tells it but > he did that, not me and he had to suffer for his wrong doings in his life. > He is answering to God for his wrong doings and now that is part of the > history in our family. One of those little stories that add spice to life. > Good or bad, I still loved him, he was after all, my grandfather. > > Some men had mega wives and mega kids and never got divorced. Some were > murders and some paid for their mistakes. That is what history is all > about. > > Gail > > > ==== KILGORE Mailing List ==== > You are about to enter the KILGORE ZONE! Beware of the wit and the zany members and their doings! But they are ALL family! > >

Carolyn, You shouldn't feel that way. We are people, we are human and someone has had to do bad things or things that people like to keep in the closets and sometimes those bad things happen in our own families. Back in them days people tried to keep things closed up but we are more open minded now and can accept what our ancestors did or didn't do. My grandfather was a wanted man in Germany and he fled the country and went to the Gold Coast of Africa and worked in the Gold Mines until he could earn enough money to come to America. He went back into Germany to give my grandmother mother and then fled again. He may have been wanted for murder as the family tells it but he did that, not me and he had to suffer for his wrong doings in his life. He is answering to God for his wrong doings and now that is part of the history in our family. One of those little stories that add spice to life. Good or bad, I still loved him, he was after all, my grandfather. Some men had mega wives and mega kids and never got divorced. Some were murders and some paid for their mistakes. That is what history is all about. Gail

Dear Kilgore Family, I was not going to share any of this, but it may help solve some mystery in a family line. I got my Grandfather's (William Joseph Kilgore) war file which was about a foot thick. What I found out was not what I expected. I can't share this all on the Internet, but there was a skeleton in our closet. I was feeling bad I even started this genealogy. What I wanted to do was to help my last living uncle (88) know more about his Dad. What I found was that he may have been a war hero, but he was not a hero to his family. That's really all I can share but, I feel bad about what I discovered & was going to keep it a secret, but I now know why there are brick walls. Brick walls are secrets. I really don't want to share negative things, but I believe my Grandfather was kicked out or disowned from his family. His father could be Joseph Kilgore that is buried in Marion/Grant County Indiana. His Mother could be Mary E.(lst wife) brothers/sister. Ervin/Emerson/Elmira/John ??. This is not anything proven as yet. Still putting pieces together.Just a possibility. He also may have other children on the west coast. I guess I need to take the good with the bad, but I never wanted to hurt anybody with what I discover. Carolyn

Just a quick question, if I remember right we have some Green's in the Kilgore lines. Does anyone have a Thomas Green who had a daughter Martha Green who was born in Loudon, Virginia? Martha was born 30 Aug 1761. Gail Meÿer Kilgore Casa Grande, AZ

Donna, I am one that does not speak out much, but everytime I see that prayers are needed and say a few special ones for all of the kilgore family. Hang in there! Everyone here I am sure saying those extra prayers for you this time and hope that you will much better soon! Cathy Kilgore Gordon >From: "Gail Meyer Kilgore" <gkilgore@primenet.com> >Reply-To: KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com >To: KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [KILGORE] Donna >Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:39:34 -0700 > >I have held back saying anything but I am going to go ahead and say it... > >Donna Kilgore Terranova was suppose to spend Christmas with her son and >family and on Christmas Eve she was suppose to celebrate the upcoming >marriage of her granddaughter. > >Donna didn't make it to her son's instead she spent Sunday at the hospital >with chest pains. We are hoping since everything looks ok so far that it >was angina or stress of the holiday with being alone for the first time in >her married life. The loss of her husband last May is taking a great toll >on her and the holidays seemed to bring the worst out. She tries to keep >an >upper chin and is always there for everyone who needs a prayer and a good >uplift. > >Well, now it is our turn to give Donna an uplift after all she wants to >come >to AZ in the next couple of months and if she doesn't get better she isn't >going to be able to come. So, if you would set aside a little bit of time >and say a special prayer that everything is ok and pray that what she is >experiencing is the stress of the season. > >She goes to the Dr. tomorrow again, and they will be doing further tests, >so >either she or I will keep you updated. I hope it is her, as that means >that >she is doing better.. > >Hope you all had a nice Christmas. >Merry Christmas and Happy New You to all!! > >Gail Meÿer Kilgore >Casa Grande, AZ > > >==== KILGORE Mailing List ==== >The Kilgore Logbook can be viewed from the >Kilgore ARCHIVES at the address of >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Sherman, Our thoughts are with you in the loss of your brother. Joyce Kilgore Stimson

Hi Donna, Thinking of you and wishing you a very speedy recovery. Lots of prayers will be said for you. Joyce Kilgore Stimson

Dear Donna & family, I am keeping you in my prayers. I know all on this board are concerned & saying special prayers for you. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Meyer Kilgore" <gkilgore@primenet.com> To: <KILGORE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 4:39 PM Subject: [KILGORE] Donna I have held back saying anything but I am going to go ahead and say it... Donna Kilgore Terranova was suppose to spend Christmas with her son and family and on Christmas Eve she was suppose to celebrate the upcoming marriage of her granddaughter. Donna didn't make it to her son's instead she spent Sunday at the hospital with chest pains. We are hoping since everything looks ok so far that it was angina or stress of the holiday with being alone for the first time in her married life. The loss of her husband last May is taking a great toll on her and the holidays seemed to bring the worst out. She tries to keep an upper chin and is always there for everyone who needs a prayer and a good uplift. Well, now it is our turn to give Donna an uplift after all she wants to come to AZ in the next couple of months and if she doesn't get better she isn't going to be able to come. So, if you would set aside a little bit of time and say a special prayer that everything is ok and pray that what she is experiencing is the stress of the season. She goes to the Dr. tomorrow again, and they will be doing further tests, so either she or I will keep you updated. I hope it is her, as that means that she is doing better.. Hope you all had a nice Christmas. Merry Christmas and Happy New You to all!! Gail Meÿer Kilgore Casa Grande, AZ ==== KILGORE Mailing List ==== The Kilgore Logbook can be viewed from the Kilgore ARCHIVES at the address of http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Dear Sherman, I'm so sorry to hear about your brother. All of you are in my prayers. God bless and be with you all. Linda Killgore Bond snshell@att.net wrote:Donna, Hope you get to feeling better soon. We too, are grieving at this season. My brother, Rick, for whom many of you have prayed over the past couple months, went to be with Jesus on Monday December 10, 2001, losing the battle with adenocarcinoma. He was 51. He is survived by his wife, Lurece, 2 grandbabies they are raising [Skyler-3, and Destiny-2]; several other grandchildren, a daughter, a son; 4 brothers; 5 sisters; and many other relatives and friends. We will appreciate continued prayer on behalf of the above family members as you have time. --- Gail, I'm getting 2 copies of each issue of the Kilgore list. I assume I'm subscribed under and . Please delete the longer address from the Digest version of the list. Thanks -- -- Thanks, Sherman N. Shell Researching: Shell, Douglas(s), Petty, Kilgore. snshell@att.net sshell@ag.org ======================= ==== KILGORE Mailing List ==== The Kilgore Logbook can be viewed from the Kilgore ARCHIVES at the address of http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/jZm.2ACEB/852.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I am sorry that is no Curtis Kilgore in my direct line, but that does not mean that there isn't a connection somewhere or somehow. My lineage goes like this: Myself-Cathy, James Thomas Kilgore(father); James LLoyd Kilgore(grandfather); James Ambrose Kilgore(ggrandfather); Stephen Kilgore(gggrandfather); Hiram Kilgore(ggg); Robert Kilgore(gggg). email again if you have more questions. Cathy Kilgore Gordon iamcatz@hotmail.com

Donna, Hope you get to feeling better soon. We too, are grieving at this season. My brother, Rick, for whom many of you have prayed over the past couple months, went to be with Jesus on Monday December 10, 2001, losing the battle with adenocarcinoma. He was 51. He is survived by his wife, Lurece, 2 grandbabies they are raising [Skyler-3, and Destiny-2]; several other grandchildren, a daughter, a son; 4 brothers; 5 sisters; and many other relatives and friends. We will appreciate continued prayer on behalf of the above family members as you have time. --- Gail, I'm getting 2 copies of each issue of the Kilgore list. I assume I'm subscribed under <snshell@att.net> and <snshell@worldnet.att.net>. Please delete the longer address from the Digest version of the list. Thanks -- -- Thanks, Sherman N. Shell Researching: Shell, Douglas(s), Petty, Kilgore. snshell@att.net sshell@ag.org =======================

Sherman, I'm so very sorry to hear of your loss. We will remember your brother's family in our prayers, particularly his wife, you, and the two grandchildren in the home. Warmest regards, Randy

Donna is my neighbor in Santa Clara. I've shared the joys of my three year old grand kid twin terrorists boys over the years. We've met only on the web and phone yet I feel you are family. Take Randy's advice; get those purples out ! Gail, like the rest of us, needs you. Cuz Bob ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

Greetings, Wishing everyone a wonderful holiday season! Thank you, Gail, for letting us hear about Donna. I've been thinking about you too, Donna, this Christmas, remembering that it's so different for you. You're always the first to step up with prayers for all of us, and the first with encouragement, praise, and humor to keep us smiling. We love you. That just about sums it up. We just simply love you. Please be better, as you know you're in our thoughts and prayers. We want you to feel better and to go visit Gail in Arizona ....Randy is right on with his prescription! Lots of pictures of all your Kilgore family in biker shorts & tops should be rolling in. Do you really want mine AFTER the 10 additional Christmas pounds? You can be looking -- and laughing -- at all of them while listening to those notes that only Randy can reach! Is it okay for Randy or Gail to post your address here? Or perhaps we should mail those cards to Gail's instead. Thanks so much, Gail, for your note. We're grateful for your thoughtfulness, 'cause you know how much Donna means to all of us. Take care, all. Love, Barbara

Merry Christmas, Gail, and thank you so much for letting us know what's going on with Donna. Donna, I want you to know I've been praying specifically for you this past week as I remembered it was your first one alone. I'm very sorry to hear your Christmas plans were changed. Please know that there are lots of Kilgores out here in the web crowd who are praying even more earnestly for you this evening. To attempt to cheer you up, the following three events have been scheduled for this evening: 1. A virtual concert featuring Placido Domingo, Luciano Pavarotti and me singing Christmas tunes in purple boxers (and nothing else). Those two guys are okay singers, but they're not hitting the same notes I am. 2. The entire Kilgore Board will be putting on spandex biker shorts and tops, taking pictures of themselves and then mailing them to you. (PS>>You board members go ahead and do this; I can't do mine right now, but I will very soon, I promise! Trust me on this!) 3. Every board member who reads Gail's note will be remembering all the times you prayed for us, laughed with us (or in my case, laughed AT us), and greeted us. Get well soon. We need you in Arizona to beat Gail up, er, I mean, to greet Gail for us. Warmest regards, Randy and the Gang