I don't think they connect. Someone needs to make a big date line story board with all the known Kilgore ancestors (with their children) pasted on the board. Then stand back and look at it. I have had to do this. It's amazing. Since I asked my first question, I am now getting more Kilgore email than spam. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 8:46:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. > So, > if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how > would you connect these two as brothers? > > > What if Robert was really young and brought over by an older brother? > > To tired to type, better quit while I am ahead. > Dorothy > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What about John Kilgore b.1660-1675 in Down Ireland Father of James William Kilgore Married Elspeth Howeson 1683-1726 Died 7 mar 1731 in Chester PA. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results > > This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. > So, > if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how > would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell > Thomas' > lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would > Robert's > DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? > > g > > > On 9/9/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I >> descend from >> his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would >> prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA >> projects >> so >> can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might >> get totally >> surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does >> not >> descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA >> does >> not match anyone at 37 markers. >> >> Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case >> anyone descends from them. >> >> John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland >> Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga >> R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) >> James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa >> James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa >> L Kilgore >> JE Kilgore >> GL Kilgore >> H Kilgore >> >> We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if >> someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would >> be willing >> to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male >> Kilgores >> who are willing to be tested. >> >> Gladys Forgety >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >> >> >> There are two basic test. >> >> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >> >> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >> with no influence of any females along that line. >> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >> hundreds of years) >> Women can not take this test. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for posting this. As for this lineage, I for one don't know. Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:43 AM Subject: [KILGORE] http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale<http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale> Y-DNA67+mtDNAplus Reduced $409 $288 This site is the one with the sale to sept 30 th. There is a Thomas Kilgore listed on one post shows born abt 1815 ..Walton County Ga. Does any one know if this is the son of Robert Killgore Jr. and Hannah Bussey Robert was born 1788 Wilkes Co Ga. Died 1851 Perry county Al. This is what i have listed William KIllgore Sr. (1726) Father of Robert KIllgore Sr. born (1753) Father of Robert Killgore Jr. born 1788 was Father of Thomas Killgore born (1815) If this is right This is my line Thomas KIllgore was my GGGGG Uncle. I would be interested in the dna test...Now that i have you confused can anyone tell me if this is right....Billy **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the John Kilgore who died without heirs in 1731 Chester Co PA-this man wasn't the f/o James Kilgore and whether he was the h/o Elspeth Howeson -I can't say-if he was then neither she nor any heirs was listed in his estate settlement. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA What about John Kilgore b.1660-1675 in Down Ireland Father of James William Kilgore Married Elspeth Howeson 1683-1726 Died 7 mar 1731 in Chester PA. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results<http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results> > > This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. > So, > if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how > would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell > Thomas' > lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would > Robert's > DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? > > g > > > On 9/9/08, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I >> descend from >> his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would >> prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA >> projects >> so >> can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might >> get totally >> surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does >> not >> descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA >> does >> not match anyone at 37 markers. >> >> Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case >> anyone descends from them. >> >> John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland >> Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga >> R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) >> James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa >> James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa >> L Kilgore >> JE Kilgore >> GL Kilgore >> H Kilgore >> >> We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if >> someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would >> be willing >> to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male >> Kilgores >> who are willing to be tested. >> >> Gladys Forgety >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes: >> >> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >> http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/> >> >> >> There are two basic test. >> >> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >> >> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >> with no influence of any females along that line. >> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >> hundreds of years) >> Women can not take this test. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to the wills James Kilgore died 1771 of Chester & Cumberland Counties PA & his wife Elizabeth Jack Kilgore who died in 1792, they did not have a son named Charles whom we believe was the brother of Robert (M: Winnie Clayton). They did have a son named Robert though. But if you are referring to James Kilgore's father as the John Kilgore who died in 1731 Chester Co PA-then you are again looking at misinformation. This line once believed this man John Kilgore was the f/o James Kilgore-but later researchers found that this man died an almost penniless pauper in 1731 with no heirs. His estate was inventoried because his lodging house owner requested the court to sell this John Kilgore's effects to pay for his lodging and burial. If James Kilgore had been this man's son, he would have been obligated to assume his father's debts as his heir. This wasn't the case. Sorry, Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is descended from James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of Nancy Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William Kilgore. Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother and 7 brother accounts to recon with. Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend > from > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > projects so > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > totally > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does > not > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA > does > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case > anyone descends from them. > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > L Kilgore > JE Kilgore > GL Kilgore > H Kilgore > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would > be willing > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male Kilgores > who are willing to be tested. > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes: > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/> > > > There are two basic test. > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > with no influence of any females along that line. > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > hundreds of years) > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is descended from James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of Nancy Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William Kilgore. Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother and 7 brother accounts to recon with. Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend > from > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > projects so > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > totally > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does > not > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA > does > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case > anyone descends from them. > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > L Kilgore > JE Kilgore > GL Kilgore > H Kilgore > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would > be willing > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male Kilgores > who are willing to be tested. > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > > There are two basic test. > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > with no influence of any females along that line. > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > hundreds of years) > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think that DNA would be great. It would answer a lot of questions. I know that I got a message in my inbox earlier this month that said that some lab or another was having a discount on DNA kits and that the offer was extended to Sep 30; unfortunately, I deleted it and can't remember where it came from-not the lab-it was a posting to one of the lists. My no offense means that I meant absolutely no offense to Bob or anyone else. I do not want anyone to get the impression that I in any way impugn the characters of either Hugh Addingon or Judge G. W. Kilgore because I question their assertions. I only question their assertions because there is evidence that contradicts some of their assertions-if I had no evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't be questioning their assertions. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Hugh Addington. The task he took on compiling the family histories and the descendants of those featured in his book was nothing short of Herculeanean-I wouldn't have even tried. Just think, he did all of that without a computer to keep it straight-no internet, he probably wasn't even able to call many of his contacts because most people didn't have phones and it was too expensive anyway-Look what he accomplished in spite of that! It's not his fault that he came by some misinformation and then disseminated it and because his book was published so long ago ithat info became accepted fact-at least until questions began to be raised as to the authenticity of some of the claims. He never meant for his book to be the end-all authority on the Kilgores of SW VA-he said himself he only meant his book to be a guide. If he had had access to the information we do today, he almost certainly would have been the first to revise his conclusions. As for Judge G. W. Kilgore-he was a Judge for crying out loud. That alone deserves respect. He lived in a time when a man's word was his bond and especialy because he was a judge he must have had the utmost respect for the written word. After he wrote Scottish Historical Society concerning the origin of the Kilgore name in Scotland, he received the foundling story I've already referred to-this correspondence is alluded to in Addington's book-indeed I think he published the response. Based on that information and no additional info that for whatever reason wasn't included (that the name Kilgore is found elsewhere as Jennifer points out and was long established in those places), it's not surprising that Judge Kilgore thought he'd found the progenitor of the Kilgore family-it's really quite logical that he took it one step more and took the "traditional claim" as fact (after all why include it, if it wasn't?); and until Jerry contacted the Douglas family in pursuit of this and then discovered that no legitimate tie to these outlawed Douglas' exist we had no way of proving or disproving it or even really questioning it. Keep in mind that neither Addington or Judge Kilgore actually traced an American Kilgore to his parents in the old country-whether Ireland or Scotland. Now we know that there were other early Kilgores and anyone of them could & should be the ancestor of any Kilgore descendant anywhere here in America. All I'm saying is that the Douglas researchers refute this claim (and they know their own history) and we now know there are other contenders for the earliest Kilgores-we shouldn't lock ourselves into only one view (that the foundling is the only possible progenitor of the Kilgore name)-particularly-if that view is refuted. As for the Kilgore brothers, I'm sure that Judge Kilgore took in those stories along with his mother's milk. It appears that there is a strong tradition of brothers named Kilgore who were in America before the Rev. War and that there were brothers at the Battle of King's Mountain. This story doesn't happen to have survived in my particular line (from Charles Kilgore of King's Mountain) but that doesn't mean diddly squat-I'm 7 generations removed from Charles Kilgore; also Addington, for one, appears to have made no real effort to research Martha's children (my ancestors). I think that having those brothers in mind all of his life, that when Judge Kilgore found that book with 5 men named Kilgore listed all in the same place at the same time-he drew the only possible conclusion-that these must be those brothers; and really-it's quite plausible that he did so lacking any further information. I'm sure he pictured all of the marching together sharing their thoughts, hopes & fears as to what was to come-the problem with that picturesque thought-is that if these 5 men were who we think they were-then they came together from at least 4 different states if not 5. And really whether they were closely related or not, what really matters is that they answered the call and that's all that needs to be said about that. I don't refute that these men may have been related; I just question that these men were actually brothers because other evidence suggests something different. Let's keep in mind that Gabriel Lea Kilgore (who wrote the 1858 letter) was referring to his father in his letter-one generation away. Judge G. W. Kilgore was the great-great grandson of Robert Kilgore M: Winnie Clayton (whom he didn't even know existed-he thought he was a descendant of Charles Kilgore not Robert)-that puts him far more removed from a Rev. War participant than Gabriel Lea Kilgore and that means that the stories G. W. Kilgore heard had filtered down through a lot more generations. I have to say that I put more faith in the words of the son of an actual participant at King's Mountain who actually talked directly to his father the particiapant than one who didn't even know his great-great grandfather's name-who believed he was descended from an entirely different person and who was several generations removed from a Rev. War participant. I'm sorry that makes a difference to me. Again, if we look at Gabriel Lea Kilgore's letter we see that he states that his grandfather was one of 4 brothers who were in America before the Rev. War. One of those names was Charles-whom we believe-though haven't proved was the same Charles Kilgore who was wounded at the Battle of King's Mountain. Note that listed in G. L. Kilgore's letter were the names William & Ralph-again, if these are the same William & Ralph who turned up in GA and if William was the William Kilgore listed on Judge G. W. Kilgore's roster (and I say IF) then that means that Charles did indeed have a brother at King's Mountain. You only need 2 to make the word brother-brothers. That would lend weight to the story of brothers at King's Mountain. Also, if Thomas Kilgore b. 1759 (and possibly the nephew of Charles Kilgore) had 3 brothers at the battle-this too, supports the tradition that there were Kilgore brothers in the Rev. War if not necessarily, as believed, Charles' brothers. It's not far-fetched to think that one set of brothers got mixed up with another in the family tradition-especially keeping in mind that the Kilgore's of SW VA had erroneous information about their own ancestry. It certainly raises the possibility that the brothers story, especially if there was more than one set of brothers, got misconstrued-especially since they were wrong about their ancestry-they could have gotten other things wrong as well. Vickie

In a message dated 9/9/2008 8:46:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So, if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how would you connect these two as brothers? What if Robert was really young and brought over by an older brother? To tired to type, better quit while I am ahead. Dorothy **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

OK folks time out. LOL It took me nearly an hour to catch up my emails. I left this am with only 5 emails in my box and I come home to 54. Less the three others, two junk and one stating that now that my 16 yr old has her license my insurance just jumped, (doubled) and I now need a second and third job. Or just a rich man, which is not in my future anytime soon. ;( Now about these Killgores, oops look at that is that typo or another variation of spelling, it seems to me that everyone is right yet everyone is wrong. One of my uncles has the last name of Kilgore and all the others Killgore. Why you may ask? Well a clerical error of course. Again someone not listening to the spelling and taking it upon themselves to change the spelling. So who's right and who's wrong? No one. It all makes for interesting conversations though. So now I understand Randy's new book is available at Amazon, however, it appears to be nameless??? Or did I miss the title to the book. Keep the emails coming. I love it. Dorothy (the other one) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend from his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA projects so can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get totally surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does not descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA does not match anyone at 37 markers. Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case anyone descends from them. John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa L Kilgore JE Kilgore GL Kilgore H Kilgore We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would be willing to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male Kilgores who are willing to be tested. Gladys Forgety In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. http://www.familytreedna.com/ There are two basic test. 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back hundreds of years) Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back hundreds of years) A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, with no influence of any females along that line. Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back hundreds of years) Women can not take this test. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So, if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas' lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? g On 9/9/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I > descend from > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA would > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA projects > so > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might > get totally > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line does > not > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples YDNA > does > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in case > anyone descends from them. > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > L Kilgore > JE Kilgore > GL Kilgore > H Kilgore > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, would > be willing > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male Kilgores > who are willing to be tested. > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > > There are two basic test. > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > hundreds of years) > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > with no influence of any females along that line. > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > hundreds of years) > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would be interested in helping to fund a DNA test If we all made a small contribution it would not cost any one person very much. And are not all Scottish Kilgores 'conservative'??? LOL I nominate Vickie Miller, Treasurer of the DNA!!! Or President of the USA!!! I believe!!! smiles Sherry (Vickie's # 1 fan!!!) This ad not paid for by the candidate!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers > This is not our line but again, isn't this hearsay? She had to hear it > from > someone and added her own words. > > It is not documented. > > Is anyone else interested in doing DNA for the Kilgore's? > > Gail > > > On 9/9/08, Bob Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Vickie, >> the 5 brother story was confirmed by ms Cuthberton in an interview to a >> Kilgore ancestor of John Evans. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >> >> >> > At this time, the parents of Robert Kilgore & Winnie Clayton are >> > unknown-or I should say unproved. It's believed he was the s/o the >> Robert >> > Kilgore listed on 1750, 1751 & 1755 tax list in Orange Co NC as well as >> > deeds and a couple of court records there-wife unknown. Researchers >> > of >> > the Douglas family haven't found a connection between Kilgores and the >> > Douglas's referred to as the "Black Douglas" or any earlier Douglas'. >> > This is based on the foundling story that Judge G. W. Kilgore obtained >> > when he wrote to the Scottish Historical Society asking about the >> > Kilgore >> > name. >> > Jennifer Jerome shows that according to her research the Kilgore name >> > as >> a >> > sept is connected to MacDuff family-as you must have seen when you read >> > her message-thanks again Jennifer. >> > >> > Note: We have not yet directly linked our American Kilgores with any in >> > either Scotland or Ireland-please do not think that the Robert Kilgore >> > married 1743 Margaret Spence info is correct-it is not!! It would seem >> > likely that our Kilgores were linked to those in County Fife-as that >> seems >> > to be the strongest concentration of Kilgores in Scotland-but no direct >> > link has been made-and you must draw your own conclusions. >> > Vickie >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Foley, James D (Penske)<mailto:[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:13 PM >> > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >> > >> > >> > Ok now I am totally lost! I am from Robert and winney through Lewis >> > green and Easter Kilgore so what is the real line??? >> > I have also seen Kilgore as a sept of Douglas and of Mcduff I would >> > like >> > to know just what my family line is.thank you >> > Jim Foley >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> > [mailto:[email protected]] >> > On Behalf Of Vickie Miller >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:45 PM >> > To: Kilgore >> > Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >> > >> > I strongly believe that there is something to the story of the Kilgore >> > brothers. Both the Russell Co VA Kilgores and the Robertson Co TN >> > Kilgores have an oral tradition of Kilgore brothers. The fact that >> > both >> > lines have a tradition of brothers does support the supposition that >> > the >> > two lines were somehow closely related-we just haven't been able to >> > determine quite how. I'm more inclined to go with the Robertson Co TN >> > tradition as closer to fact than G. W. Kilgores supposition; which is >> > precisely what I think his was at least in regards to their identity. >> > I think that bearing in mind that there was a tradition of brothers in >> > G. W. Kilgore's line, he was on the lookout for brothers and when he >> > came across the book that listed a roster of soldiers who served at >> > King's Mountain; he saw 5 men listed with the name Kilgore and said >> > "Bingo" or "Eureka" or "Hallelujah" or whatever "I've found >> > them -these >> > must be the brothers our family history speak of." He then listed >> > them >> > as ! >> > brothers and we've contended with those names since; which means to >> > some extent those of us concerned with these lines keep trying to put >> > them together and slice and dice to make things work-when they might >> > not >> > necessarily fit. >> > >> > When it comes to "family tradition", I always keep in mind what I read >> > in a book about beginning genealogy written by an accredited >> > genealogist >> > (no I don't remember his name or his book-just that I read it about 15 >> > years ago)-be wary of "family history & traditions" because facts >> > change >> > with each telling and re-telling of the story. Use them as >> > guidelines-absolutely-but don't accept them as gospel truth until or >> > unless you can independently verify them and better yet-document them. >> > >> > >> > Due to space considerations-I'll continue this on another email Vickie >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with >> > the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with >> the >> > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> > the >> > message >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I forgot to mention that, while in Scotland and Ireland, we were also told that the name Kilgour could have originated from a place/locality. The spelling likely changed, but it was apparently common to establish names from towns and villages which had also been named based on Gaelic terms for local landmarks. In Gaelic "Kill/Kil/Gil" is commonly used to refer to a church. The Irish city of Kilkenny was named when St. Canice established a church there, thus the city name means "church of Canice." Jennifer

My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. http://www.familytreedna.com/ There are two basic test. 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back hundreds of years) Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back hundreds of years) A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, with no influence of any females along that line. Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back hundreds of years) Women can not take this test. Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the better. So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are registered on the site. Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. _________________________________________________________ OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. Accuracy The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most fertile. I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. Her parents died without telling her. When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may discover more than they want to know. Let me give you an example of how this can work. 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's children and half the other children in the same town. Another of Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more accurate the group results. Clear as mud? * *

"Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> wrote: >Is anyone else interested in doing DNA for the Kilgore's? Our family is interested in theory, but in reality the cost means it's not going to happen. -- Cheryl Kilgore Malaguti <[email protected]>

I would never question your au thor a tie. Cousin Dennie [email protected] wrote: > FINALLY! Somebody who believes me when I say these things! > > (Big grin!) > > Randy > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 4:44:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Were you accepting the story or questioning it as you read? My guess is > questioning, thus the lightening. It was a warning. Don't question Randy! > Gail you must be careful. Randy is very powerful. > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

That is the hew high tech method now. Don't understand the mechanics of it. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] From the commander... > It would be very interesting if we did a Kilgore DNA... very interesting > indeed... > > Gail > > > On 9/9/08, Bob Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> What have I started? I thought I asked a simple question. >> If you think this is confusing consider my Bartlett ancestry. There were >> 12 >> different lines from across the pond. Jim Bartlett did the dna to >> decipher >> the 12 lines. >> My guess is that you are trying to combine too many different lines. >> >> Some of my info is from John Evans who interviewed Ms Cuthberton before >> she >> died. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] From the commander... >> >> >> > Well Randy, if nothing else you ALWAYS put a smile on our faces and >> > make >> > us >> > stop and think. >> > >> > You are a treasure and a keeper!! >> > >> > Gail >> > >> > >> > On 9/9/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> ...of the pickle flute brigade, that is. >> >> >> >> Wow, we haven't seen this kind of emailing since the early days, when >> >> Jerry >> >> had to referee while the various lines duked it out online...while >> >> maintaining >> >> a level of jocularity, familiarity and familial concern not >> >> experienced >> >> on >> >> most such lists. >> >> >> >> I, of course, was the resident fruitcake, launching pickle flute >> >> brigades, >> >> port-a-potty-singing groups, tin foil howls at the moon, etc. >> >> >> >> Meanwhile, a tiny band of secret genealogists infiltrated the group >> >> and >> >> steered us away from the myths and lore to the sturdy feel of >> >> paper proofs. What >> >> a service they render(ed); nailing down what could be known for >> >> certain >> >> so >> >> that the areas where we have to guess (5 brothers or 3?) could be >> >> guessed >> >> at >> >> cordially but without planting flags of certainty on because the >> >> paper >> >> didn't >> >> prove it. >> >> >> >> For my money, if Vickie says it, then even the DAR is wrong if they >> >> contradict her, and Dennie is a close second. And while I'm at it, I >> >> guess I should >> >> acknowledge, too, that the same fear I had of Jerry when he spoke >> >> now rests >> >> with Gail. She's the boss of me and this list too; she has the >> >> innate >> >> ability >> >> to tell me when to kid and when to be quiet without making me pout, >> >> secrets >> >> I'm willing to pay her dearly not to sell to my wife! >> >> >> >> At any rate, this ramble does have a point. One day while researching >> >> one of >> >> my books, I got bored at the Boston library and started hunting down >> >> references to the Kilgores at King's Mountain. I found one book that >> >> was listed as >> >> no longer in print, but which was available in microfiche; it was >> >> a narrative >> >> of King's Mountain and Cowpens. That book made reference to three >> >> Kilgores >> >> only at King's Mountain, serving with John Sevier, and then mentioned >> >> only >> >> one Kilgore at Cowpens. I should hurry up and add that the book only >> >> mentioned >> >> individuals who had committed a notable act, so it wasn't a roster, >> >> merely >> >> a >> >> narrative. It made no reference to relationships between the >> >> Kilgores >> >> at >> >> all. Now here's the sorry news: I've since moved three times and the >> >> notes I >> >> took that day (copied the microfiche) are buried somewhere in boxes >> >> in >> >> the >> >> basement, so what I just told you is hearsay. I'll find it someday, >> >> I'm >> >> sure, >> >> though with my health it's not likely to be soon. That said, it would >> >> probably >> >> be easier for me to trek back to the Boston library again. >> >> >> >> I also remember seeing convincing arguments when Jerry was with us >> >> against >> >> the 5 brothers theory, and the only place I've ever seen anyone say >> there >> >> were >> >> 5 Kilgores at King's Mountain was on this list in reference to the >> >> now-proven-as-best-guesses book that judge did. I was also once told >> >> by >> >> an >> >> Irish >> >> researcher that Kilgore in Ireland is MacGillivray, and that that >> >> strain were >> >> really transplanted Scots...and that the Kilgore name comes from words >> >> that mean >> >> "people who live by the woods where goats are kept." I have no >> >> reason >> >> to >> >> give what they told me any credibility at all, but the wide range >> >> of stories >> >> makes me happy for the Vickie and Dennie's of the world; they make it >> >> okay >> >> for >> >> writers like me to drift off into dreamland...(since Randall means >> >> "wolf", >> >> then that must make me the wolf who's hovering around the people who >> >> live >> >> by the >> >> woods where goats are kept." >> >> >> >> By the way, literally right after I typed this "goats" thing, DHL >> >> delivered >> >> the very first copy of my book off the press!! Yippee! In two >> weeks, >> >> you >> >> can find it at Target, Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc. It's already up >> at >> >> Amazon.com. Oops, that was off-topic again... >> >> >> >> Bob, we're glad to have new blood; you'll find this the wildest group >> >> of >> >> cousin-chasers anywhere in genealogy, and as long as you can laugh (at >> us >> >> AND >> >> yourself) you'll be glad you joined. The archives are incredibly >> >> stuffed with >> >> accurate info, and if you start your search by using these four >> >> terms, you'll >> >> find more than you can ever find elsewhere on the Kilgores: "vickie" >> >> "dennie" "gail" "jerry". >> >> >> >> Always remember, though, that for the really important matters, >> >> everyone >> >> on >> >> this board always puts their purple boxers on, covers their left >> >> fingers >> >> in >> >> tin foil, and emails the list looking for me. I'm known to the >> >> long-termers as >> >> Wikimiki, which is Cherokee for handsome-dude-who-is-always-right. >> >> >> >> The-still-not-all-there-cousin, >> >> Randy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> >> blog, >> >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FINALLY! Somebody who believes me when I say these things! (Big grin!) Randy In a message dated 9/9/2008 4:44:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Were you accepting the story or questioning it as you read? My guess is questioning, thus the lightening. It was a warning. Don't question Randy! Gail you must be careful. Randy is very powerful. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

I think you covered it very well. Thanks. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: [KILGORE] Randy's Version of the Kilgore Family History > OK I didn't want to reveal this, as some people are very sensitive and > get real defensive when faced with the truth. So instead of all that, > just be glad that Randy shared his research with me. Thank you Randy. > You're a good man. > > In the mid 1700's, in what is now Poland, thirteen odd men escaped from > the central insane asylum. They joined a circus, which traveled across > Europe. After a long year, three of the men decided they had had enough > of scooping elephant poop. Upon reaching the coast, they joined a band > of pirates, specifically the Dread Pirate Robert. [Yes, it was the same > Pirate Robert made famous by the Princess Bride movie.] > > One of the insane pirates was not happy. He complained, "If I have to > experience any more gore, I'll kill myself." No need said Pirate > Robert. Get off my ship. Then Robert kicked him over board. Splash. > > He swam to shore past hungry sharks. Even though he was covered in > blood, he smelled so bad that they rejected him as lunch. Apparently, > he had not bathed in years. > > A young woman saw him lying on the beach. She asked him his name. He > mumbled something about gore, kill, gore, blood, kill--gore, pirate, > Robert, kill... She asked, "You are Robert Kilgore?" He moaned which > she took as an affirmation. From then on the insane pirate, elephant > attendant, Franco Subalasky, was known as Robert Kilgore. > > He settled in Virginia and Pennsylvania. Yes, he had family in both > places. He didn't do it on purpose. Although undiagnosed as such, he > obviously suffered from multi personality disorder. Also one > personality thought he was born 30 years after the other, which confused > friends and family. > > His Virginia family consisted of 5 sons. They were all big talkers and > even the ones who slept through the Revolution, boasted of fighting at > Kings Mountain. Once the emails were sent, it was accepted as fact. > > Any questions? > > Cousin Dennie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

So good to see all this action on the board! We are most honored to hear from the Commander.   Almost every family I have researched, the original settler came with 3 to 5 brothers. Granted, they probably would have sailed with relatives but doesn't this seem a little repetitious? I have even seen personal letters proven wrong. I have been told there should be at least three proofs to declare a genealogical statement as fact.   Personally, I go with Dennie's version.   Nina, I am right down the road from you waiting on Ike.   Anyone else out there sorting all the Peter Kilgore/Kilgow/Kilgoe/Kilgo men?   Freda Kilgo Daniel