Hey, Randy, is there any way we can order autographed copies of this book??? I think I am going to buy this as a Christmas present for several relatives.....how is that for one stop shopping??? I thought it would be nice to have autographed copies but probably not possible. Gladys In a message dated 9/10/2008 11:24:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Randy's new book is; MADE TO MATTER_ DEVOTIONS FOR WORKING CHRISTIANS. The paper back is temp. out of stock but can be ordered and will be sent later. The hard back is available. Nell **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Ok know I thought that Easter Kilgore wife of Lewis green was the daughter of Robert and Winney Clayton Kilgore -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherry Arnold Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA It has to be a male with the Kilgore name, right??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore > line. > But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male > descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. > > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is >> won't work? >> The rest of her family has passed away. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >>> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >>> not >>> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more >>> of >>> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the >>> message >>> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >>> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >>> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >>> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. >>> If >>> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >>> the >>> DNA program. >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >>> >>> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >>> my >>> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >>> weeks >>> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and >>> so >>> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >>> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >>> best. >>> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >>> can >>> reasonably afford. >>> >>> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >>> >>> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> There are two basic test. >>>> >>>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>>> >>>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Women can not take this test. >>>> >>>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>>> >>>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>>> registered on the site. >>>> >>>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>>> >>>> Accuracy >>>> >>>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>>> >>>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>>> fertile. >>>> >>>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>>> Her parents died without telling her. >>>> >>>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that >>>> absolutely >>>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>>> >>>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>>> discover more than they want to know. >>>> >>>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>>> >>>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>>> accurate the group results. >>>> >>>> Clear as mud? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rev. Robert Kilgore was listed as the s/o Robert & "Milly" Kilgore on his death record. No one disputes the name Robert as the father; but it's generally believed that the name "Milly" was either a transcription error or simply the wrong name supplied by the informant and that it should be Winnie-making Rev. Robert Kilgore the s/o Robert & Winnie Clayton Kilgore. The parents of this Robert Kilgore (M:Winnie Clayton) are unknown. It's believed, though not proved, that he was the s/o the Robert Kilgore who was listed on 1750 tax list in Granville Co NC. He remains the likeliest candidate-but nothing has been proven. What can be proven is that this lineage (listed below) claims that he was the Robert Kilgore who married Margaret Spencer in 1743 Scotland is false. This Robert Kilgore is listed as the s/o John Kilgore & Elspeth Howeson (this Robert M: 1743 may very well be the son of this John & Elspeth-not disputed)-what is disputed is that this is the same John Kilgore who died in Chester Co PA in 1731 as this lineage claims. Robert Kilgore born c1716 Christening 18 Mar 1716 Kilmany, Fife, Scotland Marriage Margaret Spencer b c1721 or 2 Apr 1721 in Echt, Aberdeen, Scotland Children: Elizabeth Kilgore b. c1743 Thomas Kilgore b. c1744 Charles Kilgore b. 18 Jan 1744 Hiram Kilgore b. c1745 Robert Kilgore b. c1746 Drumoak, Aberdeen, Scotland William Kilgore b.c1747 James Kilgore b. c1748 This is a cobbled together lineage that has been submitted to the LDS and is now making the rounds. Whoever the children of Margaret Spencer & Robert Kilgore of Scotland were-they are not these children. Here's why: William Kilgore was born c1726-he isn't listed with Ralph in this version but other's do list Ralph. These men were grown men with children in 1755 making it impossible for them to be born in 1747 and 1746 as another submission lists Ralph's birth date. Charles Kilgore was born in 1740 NOT 1744 and so his birth predates the marriage date of 1743. Thomas Kilgore is listed as being born in 1712-that means he was born before his father!!! Robert Kilgore's believed son, Charles was born c1763/1764-it's also believed he had a daughter named Esther who was born c1763-this puts his probable date of birth before 1740. The John Kilgore who died in Chester Co PA was not the f/o James Kilgore of Chester Co PA. This man had no heirs. Therefore he wasn't the f/o Robert. So for your records, you can either leave the parents blank for Robert Kilgore (M: Winnie Clayton) or list him as Robert Kilgore but not proved. It's your choice. Sincerely, Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA I will do that. But first. would someone kindly give me the "accepted" family tree (you can omit children for now) for Rev. Robert Kilgore's ancestors?? so I can update my tree. Thanks. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore > line. > But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male > descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. > > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is >> won't work? >> The rest of her family has passed away. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >>> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >>> not >>> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more >>> of >>> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the >>> message >>> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >>> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >>> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >>> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. >>> If >>> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >>> the >>> DNA program. >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >>> >>> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >>> my >>> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >>> weeks >>> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and >>> so >>> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >>> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >>> best. >>> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >>> can >>> reasonably afford. >>> >>> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >>> >>> D Rennow <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>>> http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> There are two basic test. >>>> >>>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>>> >>>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Women can not take this test. >>>> >>>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>>> >>>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>>> registered on the site. >>>> >>>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>>> >>>> Accuracy >>>> >>>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>>> >>>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>>> fertile. >>>> >>>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>>> Her parents died without telling her. >>>> >>>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that >>>> absolutely >>>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>>> >>>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>>> discover more than they want to know. >>>> >>>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>>> >>>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>>> accurate the group results. >>>> >>>> Clear as mud? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will do that. But first. would someone kindly give me the "accepted" family tree (you can omit children for now) for Rev. Robert Kilgore's ancestors?? so I can update my tree. Thanks. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore > line. > But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male > descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. > > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is >> won't work? >> The rest of her family has passed away. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >>> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >>> not >>> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more >>> of >>> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the >>> message >>> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >>> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >>> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >>> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. >>> If >>> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >>> the >>> DNA program. >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >>> >>> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >>> my >>> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >>> weeks >>> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and >>> so >>> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >>> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >>> best. >>> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >>> can >>> reasonably afford. >>> >>> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >>> >>> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> There are two basic test. >>>> >>>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>>> >>>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Women can not take this test. >>>> >>>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>>> >>>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>>> registered on the site. >>>> >>>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>>> >>>> Accuracy >>>> >>>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>>> >>>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>>> fertile. >>>> >>>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>>> Her parents died without telling her. >>>> >>>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that >>>> absolutely >>>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>>> >>>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>>> discover more than they want to know. >>>> >>>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>>> >>>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>>> accurate the group results. >>>> >>>> Clear as mud? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It has to be a male with the Kilgore name, right??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore > line. > But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male > descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. > > > Bob Shaw wrote: >> It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is >> won't work? >> The rest of her family has passed away. >> >> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >> fax 330 963 6858 >> cell 330 247 8543 >> phone 330 425 8819 >> [email protected] >> [email protected] >> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >>> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >>> not >>> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more >>> of >>> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the >>> message >>> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >>> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >>> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >>> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. >>> If >>> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >>> the >>> DNA program. >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >>> >>> >>> Dear Cousins, >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >>> my >>> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >>> weeks >>> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and >>> so >>> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >>> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >>> best. >>> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >>> can >>> reasonably afford. >>> >>> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >>> >>> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> There are two basic test. >>>> >>>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>>> >>>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>>> hundreds of years) >>>> Women can not take this test. >>>> >>>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>>> >>>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>>> better. >>>> >>>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>>> registered on the site. >>>> >>>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>>> >>>> Accuracy >>>> >>>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>>> >>>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>>> fertile. >>>> >>>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>>> Her parents died without telling her. >>>> >>>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that >>>> absolutely >>>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>>> >>>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>>> discover more than they want to know. >>>> >>>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>>> >>>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>>> accurate the group results. >>>> >>>> Clear as mud? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> * >>>> * >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Exactly. She can not take the Y DNA test needed to trace the Kilgore line. But you can help by contributing to help pay the cost for a male descendant. If everyone contributes a small bit, it can help a lot. Bob Shaw wrote: > It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is > won't work? > The rest of her family has passed away. > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected] > [email protected] > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > >> Dear Cousins, >> RE: DNA >> >> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known >> lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but >> not >> from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more of >> the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the message >> at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) >> Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from >> failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family >> site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. If >> anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in >> the >> DNA program. >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA >> >> >> Dear Cousins, >> RE: DNA >> >> I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported >> my >> known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two >> weeks >> later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so >> was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with >> Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the >> best. >> If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I >> can >> reasonably afford. >> >> Christopher (Kit) Kilgore >> >> D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >>> >>> >>> There are two basic test. >>> >>> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>> hundreds of years) >>> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>> hundreds of years) >>> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >>> >>> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>> with no influence of any females along that line. >>> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>> hundreds of years) >>> Women can not take this test. >>> >>> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >>> >>> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>> better. >>> >>> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>> registered on the site. >>> >>> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________ >>> >>> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >>> >>> Accuracy >>> >>> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >>> >>> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>> fertile. >>> >>> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>> Her parents died without telling her. >>> >>> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >>> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >>> >>> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>> discover more than they want to know. >>> >>> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >>> >>> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>> accurate the group results. >>> >>> Clear as mud? >>> >>> >>> >>> * >>> * >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It is my wife that is a Kilgore descendant. Does that mean a DNA test is won't work? The rest of her family has passed away. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > Dear Cousins, > RE: DNA > > I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known > lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but > not > from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more of > the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the message > at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) > Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from > failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family > site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. If > anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in > the > DNA program. > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > Dear Cousins, > RE: DNA > > I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported > my > known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two > weeks > later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so > was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with > Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the > best. > If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I > can > reasonably afford. > > Christopher (Kit) Kilgore > > D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: > >>My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>http://www.familytreedna.com/ >> >> >>There are two basic test. >> >>1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>hundreds of years) >>Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>hundreds of years) >>A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >> >>2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>with no influence of any females along that line. >>Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>hundreds of years) >>Women can not take this test. >> >>Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >> >>The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>better. >> >>So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>registered on the site. >> >>Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >> >>_________________________________________________________ >> >>OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >> >>Accuracy >> >>The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >> >>People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>fertile. >> >>I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>Her parents died without telling her. >> >>When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >>KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >> >>When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>discover more than they want to know. >> >>Let me give you an example of how this can work. >> >>2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>accurate the group results. >> >>Clear as mud? >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I noticed that there is a discount if you submit your DNA as part of an established surname project. I searched for Kilgore, and here is the resulting page. I do not know how much the discount is. This is from the site familytreedna.com http://www.familytreedna.com/name_search.aspx?sType=eq&Searchname2=kilgore > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:18:18 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA> > Excellent> > [email protected] wrote:> > Dear Cousins,> > RE: DNA> >> > I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported my known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two weeks later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the best. If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I can reasonably afford.> >> > Christopher (Kit) Kilgore> >> > D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote:> >> > > >> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > >> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money.> >> http://www.familytreedna.com/> >>> >>> >> There are two basic test.> >>> >> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > >> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > >> hundreds of years)> >> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > >> hundreds of years)> >> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > >>> >> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their > >> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > >> with no influence of any females along that line. > >> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > >> hundreds of years)> >> Women can not take this test.> >>> >> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line.> >>> >> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the > >> better.> >>> >> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are > >> registered on the site.> >>> >> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial.> >>> >> _________________________________________________________> >>> >> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point.> >>> >> Accuracy> >>> >> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, > >> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is.> >>> >> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. > >> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. > >> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives > >> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most > >> fertile. > >>> >> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was > >> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. > >> Her parents died without telling her.> >>> >> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely > >> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his > >> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years > >> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 > >> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds.> >>> >> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that > >> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and > >> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has > >> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he > >> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was > >> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may > >> discover more than they want to know.> >>> >> Let me give you an example of how this can work.> >>> >> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test > >> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that > >> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there > >> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near > >> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's > >> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of > >> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other > >> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be > >> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we > >> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more > >> accurate the group results. > >>> >> Clear as mud?> >>> >>> >>> >> *> >> *> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >> > > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The best way to find out is the Paternal DNA. This only works from father to son. So you would need to get the DNA of a descendant of Thomas Kigore and another from a descendant of Robert Kilgore. This can only be father, to son to son, to son. The DNA passed this way changes little if any in 14 generations time. So the DNA of a direct father to son to son, etc. should be the same DNA as the parent Father. Hence, if the 2 descendants DNA are the same or a very very close match, then they could be brothers. But realize-- what if they are cousins and have a common grandfather? Then the DNA result would pretty much look the same. Would Maternal DNA help? Well, all children of a mother have the same mRna, but only the daughters pass it on. From daughter to daughter to daughter. So this may not be as helpful. There are some other misc DNA markers which may be helpful in providing the area of Great Britain where other people with the same markers have, but not in determining brother relationships. Our family however is turning to DNA to help solve our Kilgrow line (which is why I read this Kilgore list) We think that the name originally was Kilgore at some point, so if some of you do do a DNA analysis, we would be interested in comparing the data. Jaelene Starr > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:23:52 -0500> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA> > This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So,> if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how> would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas'> lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's> DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother?> > I'm confused-is this supposed to be referring to Thomas Kilgore of Orange Co NC being in MD in 1720? or Thomas Kilgore m: Rebecca Lasley? Where was this Robert Kilgore at in VA in 1730? The earliest Robert Kilgore in VA I have is the one listed on a muster roll in 1758 Frederick Co VA. If there's an earlier one, I must've missed him. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:14 AM> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA> > > > If the DNA of a male descendant of each of these men match, it will show > that they share a common ancestor but would not necessarily connect the two as > brothers. If no match, that would rule them out as brothers. > > Gladys> > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 11:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes:> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results<http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results>> > This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So,> if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how> would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas'> lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's> DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother?> > g> > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>)> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excellent [email protected] wrote: > Dear Cousins, > RE: DNA > > I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported my known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two weeks later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the best. If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I can reasonably afford. > > Christopher (Kit) Kilgore > > D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >> sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >> http://www.familytreedna.com/ >> >> >> There are two basic test. >> >> 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >> Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >> hundreds of years) >> A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >> >> 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >> paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >> with no influence of any females along that line. >> Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >> hundreds of years) >> Women can not take this test. >> >> Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >> >> The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >> better. >> >> So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >> registered on the site. >> >> Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >> >> _________________________________________________________ >> >> OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >> >> Accuracy >> >> The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >> however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >> >> People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >> They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >> Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >> tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >> fertile. >> >> I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >> about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >> Her parents died without telling her. >> >> When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >> KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >> father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >> before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >> out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >> >> When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >> my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >> really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >> always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >> didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >> illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >> discover more than they want to know. >> >> Let me give you an example of how this can work. >> >> 2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >> shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >> mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >> was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >> Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >> children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >> Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >> two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >> the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >> have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >> accurate the group results. >> >> Clear as mud? >> >> >> >> * >> * >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Cousins, RE: DNA I contacted them (familytreedna.com)yesterday 9/9/08 I reported my known lineage back to William Killgore I. I heard today from the company, but not from the family site administrator. The company said that. One or more of the following email addresses is invalid and failed to receive the message at the bottom of this email. ( agreeing or not to let me join) Please verify and update the addresses to prevent further messages from failing to reach their intended recipient.I hope to hear from the family site administrator. The e-mail address below must be the administrator. If anybody knows this person let them know some Killgores are interested in the DNA program. To: [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Dear Cousins, RE: DNA I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported my known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two weeks later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the best. If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I can reasonably afford. Christopher (Kit) Kilgore D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > >There are two basic test. > >1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >hundreds of years) >Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >hundreds of years) >A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > >2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >with no influence of any females along that line. >Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >hundreds of years) >Women can not take this test. > >Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. > >The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >better. > >So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >registered on the site. > >Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. > >_________________________________________________________ > >OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. > >Accuracy > >The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. > >People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >fertile. > >I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >Her parents died without telling her. > >When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. > >When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >discover more than they want to know. > >Let me give you an example of how this can work. > >2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >accurate the group results. > >Clear as mud? > > > >* >* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ivan, Itake notice of your interest in the DNA program . Ihad mini done several years ago. My #is 2T8AX looking through starr results I find really close matches with sevsral Starrs. [email protected] would like to hear fromyou my garndfather Francis M. Killgore GA great grandfather Robert G. Killgore GA GGgreat grandfather William K. Killgore.GA NC VA Hope to hear from you soon Frank H> Killgore ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

If the DNA of a male descendant of each of these men match, it will show that they share a common ancestor but would not necessarily connect the two as brothers. If no match, that would rule them out as brothers. Gladys In a message dated 9/9/2008 11:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So, if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas' lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? g **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Very cool. Thank you. Let's hope he never writes a tell all about this list!! Cousin Dennie Nell Blumel wrote: > Randy's new book is; MADE TO MATTER_ DEVOTIONS FOR WORKING > CHRISTIANS. The paper back is temp. out of stock but can be ordered > and will be sent later. The hard back is available. > > Nell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Randy's new book is; MADE TO MATTER_ DEVOTIONS FOR WORKING CHRISTIANS. The paper back is temp. out of stock but can be ordered and will be sent later. The hard back is available. Nell

This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So, if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas' lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? I'm confused-is this supposed to be referring to Thomas Kilgore of Orange Co NC being in MD in 1720? or Thomas Kilgore m: Rebecca Lasley? Where was this Robert Kilgore at in VA in 1730? The earliest Robert Kilgore in VA I have is the one listed on a muster roll in 1758 Frederick Co VA. If there's an earlier one, I must've missed him. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA If the DNA of a male descendant of each of these men match, it will show that they share a common ancestor but would not necessarily connect the two as brothers. If no match, that would rule them out as brothers. Gladys In a message dated 9/9/2008 11:46:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results<http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/kilgore/results> This doesn't even list the oldest Kilgore's that we already know exist. So, if we know that Thomas was in MD in 1720 and Robert was in VA in 1730 how would you connect these two as brothers? You would be able to tell Thomas' lineage if enough in the database know they are of Thomas but would Robert's DNA also show up and matching if Thomas was his brother? g **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If he did who would believe it??? > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:09:17 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Randy's Book> > Very cool.> Thank you.> Let's hope he never writes a tell all about this list!!> Cousin Dennie> > Nell Blumel wrote:> > Randy's new book is; MADE TO MATTER_ DEVOTIONS FOR WORKING > > CHRISTIANS. The paper back is temp. out of stock but can be ordered > > and will be sent later. The hard back is available.> >> > Nell> > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

_http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale_ (http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale) This is the web site mentioned in my previous post. Billy W.KIlgore **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Y-DNA67+mtDNAplus Reduced $409 $288 This site is the one with the sale to sept 30 th. There is a Thomas Kilgore listed on one post shows born abt 1815 ..Walton County Ga. Does any one know if this is the son of Robert Killgore Jr. and Hannah Bussey Robert was born 1788 Wilkes Co Ga. Died 1851 Perry county Al. This is what i have listed William KIllgore Sr. (1726) Father of Robert KIllgore Sr. born (1753) Father of Robert Killgore Jr. born 1788 was Father of Thomas Killgore born (1815) If this is right This is my line Thomas KIllgore was my GGGGG Uncle. I would be interested in the dna test...Now that i have you confused can anyone tell me if this is right....Billy **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Dear Cousins, RE: DNA I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported my known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two weeks later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the best. If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I can reasonably afford. Christopher (Kit) Kilgore D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >My daughter has studied genetics for many years.  She researched the >sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > >There are two basic test. > >1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >hundreds of years) >Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >hundreds of years) >A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > >2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >with no influence of any females along that line. >Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >hundreds of years) >Women can not take this test. > >Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. > >The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37.  The more the >better. > >So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >registered on the site. > >Anyway, go to the site.  There is a tutorial. > >_________________________________________________________ > >OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. > >Accuracy > >The test are accurate.  They tell you what your genetic connection, >however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. > >People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today.   >They also took kids in with no formal adoption.  Women were raped.   >Etc.   Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >fertile. > >I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >about 55.  She would have never known except another cousin told her.   >Her parents died without telling her. > >When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >KNEW who their fathers were.  For example, the man looked just like his >father.  His mother was a saint.  His parents were married for years >before he was born.  Of those men who KNEW who there father was...  1 >out of 7 were wrong.  Those are mighty high odds. > >When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't!  He was serious and >really nasty about it.  My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >always questioned his genetic relationship to his father.  Whatever, he >didn't need to be so nasty.  I certainly didn't say he was >illegitimate.  I just think people need to realize that they may >discover more than they want to know. > >Let me give you an example of how this can work. > >2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test.  The test >shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor.  Does that >mean that they are both out of Henry?  Maybe.  It could be that there >was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >Henry.  Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >children and half the other children in the same town.  Another of >Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >two.  They say he isn't related to Henry.  The fact is that he could be >the only one related to Henry.  Since we can't test Henry directly, we >have to go with the odds.  The more people that take the test the more >accurate the group results. > >Clear as mud? > > > >* >* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >