Hi all, Someone correct me if I am wrong. But I did the testing on my line (Myatt) and it had to be done by direct male descendants. So my question is does it have to be direct line male descendants (those who still have the Kilgore name)? If so, that is who we need to get tested and the rest of can help defray the cost (which I am happy to do). Ron > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:24:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Testing> > I would like to nominate Charles Kilgore (Martha) of Green Co TN. Do we > have many of his descendants on this list?> > 1. Vickie Miller> 2. Gladys Forgety> 3. Roy Kilgore> 4. Sherry Arnold> > Please add your name if you descend from Charles.\> > Sherry> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Shaw" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:14 PM> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Testing> > > > Someone needs to start a list: with the name of the living person and > > their> > known or suspected ancestors.> > Then we can select from that list, as the donations come in.> >> > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw> > 2425 Sherwin Dr.> > Twinsburg Ohio 44087> > fax 330 963 6858> > cell 330 247 8543> > phone 330 425 8819> > [email protected]> > [email protected]> > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J Jerome" <[email protected]>> > To: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>> > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:24 PM> > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Testing> >> >> >>I am willing to make a reasonable contribution for someone that might help> >>us get past the William Sr. brick wall (land grant in Augusta, GA in > >>1755).> >>I am a part of the Robert Greer Kilgore line back to William Sr., but > >>can't> >>seem to get past him in 1755. I think it would be great if we could get a> >>results for a couple from the lines we think may connect and see what we> >>find.> >>> >> Jennifer> >>> >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]>> >>> >>> I have contributed to a couple of different projects this year. I am not> >>> an> >>> authority on DNA but more than willing to do my part. One of my projects> >>> had an offer for only $75 which three of us split; on another one there> >>> were> >>> 5 of us and we contributed $25. There seems to be a larger group here so> >>> mybe it could be less? Also it depends on the marker as to the cost? I> >>> think it should be at least a 37 marker? Is $150 a ballpark figure? Are> >>> there at least 15 on this list that would/could contribute $10? I think> >>> Vickie has summed it up very well. I think $150 may be the going rate > >>> for> >>> 37 markers, and we probably can;t get it together in time to take> >>> advantage> >>> of the September 30th deadline for the reduced rate???> >>>> >>> So who's on first!!! lol Who is our 'in residence authoity' on DNA!!! A> >>> comment on testing two from the same line, that sometimes turns up a> >>> surprise... So not even that is a waste???> >>>> >>> Sherry> >>>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Vickie Miller"> >>> To: "Kilgore"> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:59 AM> >>> Subject: [KILGORE] DNA Testing> >>>> >>>> >>> > I'd like to make a few suggestions. Has anyone determined whether the> >>> > DNA> >>> > testing site with the reduced rates is valid? If so, then that puts us> >>> > on> >>> > a deadline if we're going to get the ball rolling on this.> >>> > First- I'd like to suggest that someone either be chosen or volunteers> >>> > to> >>> > coordinate this-preferrably with experience in either handling this> >>> > sort> >>> > of thing or with DNA testing (despite the fact that I'm making> >>> > suggestions, I have experience in neither and am not volunteering> >>> > myself)> >>> > Second-that once that person has been chosen, then those of us who > >>> > wish> >>> > to> >>> > donate then first PLEDGE the amount they wish to donate to the> >>> > volunteer-that way if not enough interest or action takes place it > >>> > will> >>> > eliminate the bother for the volunteer to have to return money to > >>> > those> >>> > donating? That way, we'll also have an idea whether enough is being> >>> > pledged to actually make this feasible at this time?> >>> > Third-I'd suggest that the pledges be made directly to the volunteer> >>> > OFF-LIST-that way the volunteer will receive the pledge directly to > >>> > him> >>> > and not have to wade through the list and sort out who's pledging? > >>> > This> >>> > will keep it better organized for that person-also in this time of> >>> > belt-tightening it might be more comfortable for some to make their> >>> > pledges anonymously (so to speak) directly to the volunteer and not to> >>> > the> >>> > list-perhaps more will respond?> >>> > Fourth-Once someone is chosen, a deadline is set for the pledges to be> >>> > given to the volunteer so that we can have an idea whether this is> >>> > going> >>> > to fly at this time? The volunteer can keep us apprised of the total> >>> > and> >>> > that way we'll know if this is a go or not. It may be, that we won't > >>> > be> >>> > able to get this project off the ground at this time, and may have to> >>> > defer it to some future date.> >>> > Fifth-It's my understanding that we need male DNA responders who have > >>> > a> >>> > direct line to our ancestors-we need to determine how many lines we> >>> > represent and possibly what lines we want to focus on and what lines> >>> > have> >>> > already been tested-to avoid redundancy. It would be stupid if two> >>> > descendants of say Robert & Winnie get tested while a descendant of > >>> > say> >>> > Ralph Kilgore of GA doesn't and so on. We need to focus our resources.> >>> >> >>> > What do you think?> >>> > Sincerely,> >>> > Vickie> >>> >> >>> > ------------------------------- > >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> >>> quotes in> >>> the subject and the body of the message> >>> >> -------------------------------> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >>> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am willing to make a reasonable contribution for someone that might help us get past the William Sr. brick wall (land grant in Augusta, GA in 1755). I am a part of the Robert Greer Kilgore line back to William Sr., but can't seem to get past him in 1755. I think it would be great if we could get a results for a couple from the lines we think may connect and see what we find. Jennifer -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]> > I have contributed to a couple of different projects this year. I am not an > authority on DNA but more than willing to do my part. One of my projects > had an offer for only $75 which three of us split; on another one there were > 5 of us and we contributed $25. There seems to be a larger group here so > mybe it could be less? Also it depends on the marker as to the cost? I > think it should be at least a 37 marker? Is $150 a ballpark figure? Are > there at least 15 on this list that would/could contribute $10? I think > Vickie has summed it up very well. I think $150 may be the going rate for > 37 markers, and we probably can;t get it together in time to take advantage > of the September 30th deadline for the reduced rate??? > > So who's on first!!! lol Who is our 'in residence authoity' on DNA!!! A > comment on testing two from the same line, that sometimes turns up a > surprise... So not even that is a waste??? > > Sherry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vickie Miller" > To: "Kilgore" > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:59 AM > Subject: [KILGORE] DNA Testing > > > > I'd like to make a few suggestions. Has anyone determined whether the DNA > > testing site with the reduced rates is valid? If so, then that puts us on > > a deadline if we're going to get the ball rolling on this. > > First- I'd like to suggest that someone either be chosen or volunteers to > > coordinate this-preferrably with experience in either handling this sort > > of thing or with DNA testing (despite the fact that I'm making > > suggestions, I have experience in neither and am not volunteering myself) > > Second-that once that person has been chosen, then those of us who wish to > > donate then first PLEDGE the amount they wish to donate to the > > volunteer-that way if not enough interest or action takes place it will > > eliminate the bother for the volunteer to have to return money to those > > donating? That way, we'll also have an idea whether enough is being > > pledged to actually make this feasible at this time? > > Third-I'd suggest that the pledges be made directly to the volunteer > > OFF-LIST-that way the volunteer will receive the pledge directly to him > > and not have to wade through the list and sort out who's pledging? This > > will keep it better organized for that person-also in this time of > > belt-tightening it might be more comfortable for some to make their > > pledges anonymously (so to speak) directly to the volunteer and not to the > > list-perhaps more will respond? > > Fourth-Once someone is chosen, a deadline is set for the pledges to be > > given to the volunteer so that we can have an idea whether this is going > > to fly at this time? The volunteer can keep us apprised of the total and > > that way we'll know if this is a go or not. It may be, that we won't be > > able to get this project off the ground at this time, and may have to > > defer it to some future date. > > Fifth-It's my understanding that we need male DNA responders who have a > > direct line to our ancestors-we need to determine how many lines we > > represent and possibly what lines we want to focus on and what lines have > > already been tested-to avoid redundancy. It would be stupid if two > > descendants of say Robert & Winnie get tested while a descendant of say > > Ralph Kilgore of GA doesn't and so on. We need to focus our resources. > > > > What do you think? > > Sincerely, > > Vickie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I would also be willing to contribute to the William Killgore, Sr. DNA testing. My line is descended from William b. abt 1759 and Anne Higginbotham. Jenna -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J Jerome Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 12:25 PM To: Sherry Arnold; [email protected] Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Testing I am willing to make a reasonable contribution for someone that might help us get past the William Sr. brick wall (land grant in Augusta, GA in 1755). I am a part of the Robert Greer Kilgore line back to William Sr., but can't seem to get past him in 1755. I think it would be great if we could get a results for a couple from the lines we think may connect and see what we find. Jennifer -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]> > I have contributed to a couple of different projects this year. I am > not an authority on DNA but more than willing to do my part. One of my > projects had an offer for only $75 which three of us split; on another > one there were > 5 of us and we contributed $25. There seems to be a larger group here > so mybe it could be less? Also it depends on the marker as to the > cost? I think it should be at least a 37 marker? Is $150 a ballpark > figure? Are there at least 15 on this list that would/could contribute > $10? I think Vickie has summed it up very well. I think $150 may be > the going rate for > 37 markers, and we probably can;t get it together in time to take > advantage of the September 30th deadline for the reduced rate??? > > So who's on first!!! lol Who is our 'in residence authoity' on DNA!!! > A comment on testing two from the same line, that sometimes turns up a > surprise... So not even that is a waste??? > > Sherry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vickie Miller" > To: "Kilgore" > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:59 AM > Subject: [KILGORE] DNA Testing > > > > I'd like to make a few suggestions. Has anyone determined whether the DNA > > testing site with the reduced rates is valid? If so, then that puts us on > > a deadline if we're going to get the ball rolling on this. > > First- I'd like to suggest that someone either be chosen or volunteers to > > coordinate this-preferrably with experience in either handling this sort > > of thing or with DNA testing (despite the fact that I'm making > > suggestions, I have experience in neither and am not volunteering myself) > > Second-that once that person has been chosen, then those of us who wish to > > donate then first PLEDGE the amount they wish to donate to the > > volunteer-that way if not enough interest or action takes place it will > > eliminate the bother for the volunteer to have to return money to those > > donating? That way, we'll also have an idea whether enough is being > > pledged to actually make this feasible at this time? > > Third-I'd suggest that the pledges be made directly to the volunteer > > OFF-LIST-that way the volunteer will receive the pledge directly to him > > and not have to wade through the list and sort out who's pledging? This > > will keep it better organized for that person-also in this time of > > belt-tightening it might be more comfortable for some to make their > > pledges anonymously (so to speak) directly to the volunteer and not to the > > list-perhaps more will respond? > > Fourth-Once someone is chosen, a deadline is set for the pledges to be > > given to the volunteer so that we can have an idea whether this is going > > to fly at this time? The volunteer can keep us apprised of the total and > > that way we'll know if this is a go or not. It may be, that we won't be > > able to get this project off the ground at this time, and may have to > > defer it to some future date. > > Fifth-It's my understanding that we need male DNA responders who have a > > direct line to our ancestors-we need to determine how many lines we > > represent and possibly what lines we want to focus on and what lines have > > already been tested-to avoid redundancy. It would be stupid if two > > descendants of say Robert & Winnie get tested while a descendant of say > > Ralph Kilgore of GA doesn't and so on. We need to focus our resources. > > > > What do you think? > > Sincerely, > > Vickie > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know-I'm not concerned with John Kilgore b.1670 because he's not my ancestor. Robert Kilgore & Margaret Spencer can not be the parents of the children listed for them; therefore, this is not the Robert Kilgore listed in NC in 1750. It's a false lineage. Sincerely, Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Thanks Vicki, Any suggestions on who should replace the John Kilgore b1670? Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > According to the wills James Kilgore died 1771 of Chester & Cumberland > Counties PA & his wife Elizabeth Jack Kilgore who died in 1792, they did > not have a son named Charles whom we believe was the brother of Robert (M: > Winnie Clayton). They did have a son named Robert though. But if you are > referring to James Kilgore's father as the John Kilgore who died in 1731 > Chester Co PA-then you are again looking at misinformation. This line > once believed this man John Kilgore was the f/o James Kilgore-but later > researchers found that this man died an almost penniless pauper in 1731 > with no heirs. His estate was inventoried because his lodging house owner > requested the court to sell this John Kilgore's effects to pay for his > lodging and burial. If James Kilgore had been this man's son, he would > have been obligated to assume his father's debts as his heir. This wasn't > the case. > Sorry, Vickie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is descended > from > James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living > Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of Nancy > Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. > Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William > Kilgore. > Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John > Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. > > When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother and 7 > brother accounts to recon with. > > Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com%3chttp//www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/>> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend > > from > > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA > would > > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > > projects so > > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > > totally > > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line > does > > not > > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples > YDNA > > does > > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in > case > > anyone descends from them. > > > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > L Kilgore > > JE Kilgore > > GL Kilgore > > H Kilgore > > > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, > would > > be willing > > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male > Kilgores > > who are willing to be tested. > > > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> writes: > > > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/%3Chttp://www.familytreedna.com/>> > > > > > > There are two basic test. > > > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > hundreds of years) > > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > hundreds of years) > > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of > their > > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > > with no influence of any females along that line. > > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > > hundreds of years) > > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > > blog, > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>>) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what the going rate for a 37 marker test is? What is the cheapest rate? Vickie

Thanks Vicki, Any suggestions on who should replace the John Kilgore b1670? Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > According to the wills James Kilgore died 1771 of Chester & Cumberland > Counties PA & his wife Elizabeth Jack Kilgore who died in 1792, they did > not have a son named Charles whom we believe was the brother of Robert (M: > Winnie Clayton). They did have a son named Robert though. But if you are > referring to James Kilgore's father as the John Kilgore who died in 1731 > Chester Co PA-then you are again looking at misinformation. This line > once believed this man John Kilgore was the f/o James Kilgore-but later > researchers found that this man died an almost penniless pauper in 1731 > with no heirs. His estate was inventoried because his lodging house owner > requested the court to sell this John Kilgore's effects to pay for his > lodging and burial. If James Kilgore had been this man's son, he would > have been obligated to assume his father's debts as his heir. This wasn't > the case. > Sorry, Vickie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Shaw<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:04 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > I would be glad to join the dna search. I believe my wife is descended > from > James William Kilgore 1701-1771 (on your list) according to a living > Cuthbertson descendent?John Evans. We have personal knowledge of Nancy > Kilgore, her father Rev. Robert Kilgore. The Cuthbertson gave us Rev. > Robert's father as Robert Kilgore and his father as James William > Kilgore. > Matching dates and children's names, I believe Williams father is John > Kilgore 1675 and his father is Gen Douglas Kilgore. > > When It comes to Kilgore stories, there is the 3 brother, 4 brother and 7 > brother accounts to recon with. > > Cousin-in-law and fruitcake want-to-be > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com<http://www.engineeredspecialproducts.com/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > > > > > Since my last Kilgore ancestor was Charles Kilgore b 1740 and I descend > > from > > his daughter, Mary, who married James Culbertson, obviously my DNA > would > > prove nothing. I am involved in both the Walker and Maples YDNA > > projects so > > can say from experience that you may get no matches or you might get > > totally > > surprised or shocked! The Walker YDNA tests revealed that my line > does > > not > > descend from the ancestor that we had always thought and the Maples > YDNA > > does > > not match anyone at 37 markers. > > > > Here is the 11 earliest known ancestors shown on the Kilgore site in > case > > anyone descends from them. > > > > John Kilgore b 1849 Ireland > > Thomas Kilgore b ca1815 Harbins, Walton Co., Ga > > R.L. Kilgore (Northern Ireland) > > James William Kilgore b 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > James W. Kilgore b ca 1701 Ireland d 1771 Pa > > L Kilgore > > JE Kilgore > > GL Kilgore > > H Kilgore > > > > We might want to consider joining this Kilgore Project, especially if > > someone on the list descends from one of these ancestors. I, too, > would > > be willing > > to contribute to the fund to finance testing for any of the male > Kilgores > > who are willing to be tested. > > > > Gladys Forgety > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/9/2008 6:17:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> writes: > > > > My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the > > sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/<http://www.familytreedna.com/> > > > > > > There are two basic test. > > > > 1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. > > Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > hundreds of years) > > Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back > > hundreds of years) > > A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > > > > 2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of > their > > paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, > > with no influence of any females along that line. > > Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back > > hundreds of years) > > Women can not take this test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > > blog, > > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry Arnold To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Testing Gladys, I don't want to be the coordinator, I don't know enough about the process, I just want to be the cheerleader!!! LOL Maybe what Vickie said, we could send our money to whomever is going to test, or I think anyone can order the test sent to the donor??? If we do Charles, I will see Gladys offer and raise her one!!! LOL Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Testing Sherry, sounds like you are volunteering to be the coordinator! Count me in on contribution. I agree that it should be at least 37 markers. Do we have anyone in the Charles Kilgore line who would take the test? If so, I might contribute $11 instead of $10 since he's my ancestor! LOL Gladys In a message dated 9/13/2008 11:26:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have contributed to a couple of different projects this year. I am not an authority on DNA but more than willing to do my part. One of my projects had an offer for only $75 which three of us split; on another one there were 5 of us and we contributed $25. There seems to be a larger group here so mybe it could be less? Also it depends on the marker as to the cost? I think it should be at least a 37 marker? Is $150 a ballpark figure? Are there at least 15 on this list that would/could contribute $10? I think Vickie has summed it up very well. I think $150 may be the going rate for 37 markers, and we probably can;t get it together in time to take advantage of the September 30th deadline for the reduced rate??? So who's on first!!! lol Who is our 'in residence authoity' on DNA!!! A comment on testing two from the same line, that sometimes turns up a surprise... So not even that is a waste??? Sherry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.

> OOPS, wrong list, but maybe not!!! Anyone on this one interested!!! > > Sherry > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 10:47 AM > Subject: [KILGORE-PA] Project DNA > > >> Vickie and I are from the same line, Charles Kilgore/Martha, settled >> Green Co TN after the "WAR". Is that correct Vickie??? I know of one >> present day male Kilgore who might be willing to test. >> >> Sherry >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

I suggest that donations be sent to someone of your choosing. I suggest we have potential living Kilgore descendents submit their name and address and what linage they have. We could then chose the candidates (as funds is available) and have the "kit" paid for and drop shipped to them. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Arnold" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >I would be interested in helping to fund a DNA test If we all made a small > contribution it would not cost any one person very much. And are not all > Scottish Kilgores 'conservative'??? LOL > > I nominate Vickie Miller, Treasurer of the DNA!!! Or President of the > USA!!! I believe!!! smiles > > Sherry (Vickie's # 1 fan!!!) This ad not paid for by the candidate!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gail Kilgore" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers > > >> This is not our line but again, isn't this hearsay? She had to hear it >> from >> someone and added her own words. >> >> It is not documented. >> >> Is anyone else interested in doing DNA for the Kilgore's? >> >> Gail >> >> >> On 9/9/08, Bob Shaw <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Vickie, >>> the 5 brother story was confirmed by ms Cuthberton in an interview to a >>> Kilgore ancestor of John Evans. >>> >>> Charles R. (Bob) Shaw >>> 2425 Sherwin Dr. >>> Twinsburg Ohio 44087 >>> fax 330 963 6858 >>> cell 330 247 8543 >>> phone 330 425 8819 >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> www.engineeredspecialproducts.com >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 2:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >>> >>> >>> > At this time, the parents of Robert Kilgore & Winnie Clayton are >>> > unknown-or I should say unproved. It's believed he was the s/o the >>> Robert >>> > Kilgore listed on 1750, 1751 & 1755 tax list in Orange Co NC as well >>> > as >>> > deeds and a couple of court records there-wife unknown. Researchers >>> > of >>> > the Douglas family haven't found a connection between Kilgores and the >>> > Douglas's referred to as the "Black Douglas" or any earlier Douglas'. >>> > This is based on the foundling story that Judge G. W. Kilgore obtained >>> > when he wrote to the Scottish Historical Society asking about the >>> > Kilgore >>> > name. >>> > Jennifer Jerome shows that according to her research the Kilgore name >>> > as >>> a >>> > sept is connected to MacDuff family-as you must have seen when you >>> > read >>> > her message-thanks again Jennifer. >>> > >>> > Note: We have not yet directly linked our American Kilgores with any >>> > in >>> > either Scotland or Ireland-please do not think that the Robert Kilgore >>> > married 1743 Margaret Spence info is correct-it is not!! It would >>> > seem >>> > likely that our Kilgores were linked to those in County Fife-as that >>> seems >>> > to be the strongest concentration of Kilgores in Scotland-but no >>> > direct >>> > link has been made-and you must draw your own conclusions. >>> > Vickie >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Foley, James D (Penske)<mailto:[email protected]> >>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:13 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >>> > >>> > >>> > Ok now I am totally lost! I am from Robert and winney through Lewis >>> > green and Easter Kilgore so what is the real line??? >>> > I have also seen Kilgore as a sept of Douglas and of Mcduff I would >>> > like >>> > to know just what my family line is.thank you >>> > Jim Foley >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: >>> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] >>> > On Behalf Of Vickie Miller >>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:45 PM >>> > To: Kilgore >>> > Subject: [KILGORE] Kilgore brothers >>> > >>> > I strongly believe that there is something to the story of the >>> > Kilgore >>> > brothers. Both the Russell Co VA Kilgores and the Robertson Co TN >>> > Kilgores have an oral tradition of Kilgore brothers. The fact that >>> > both >>> > lines have a tradition of brothers does support the supposition that >>> > the >>> > two lines were somehow closely related-we just haven't been able to >>> > determine quite how. I'm more inclined to go with the Robertson Co >>> > TN >>> > tradition as closer to fact than G. W. Kilgores supposition; which >>> > is >>> > precisely what I think his was at least in regards to their identity. >>> > I think that bearing in mind that there was a tradition of brothers >>> > in >>> > G. W. Kilgore's line, he was on the lookout for brothers and when he >>> > came across the book that listed a roster of soldiers who served at >>> > King's Mountain; he saw 5 men listed with the name Kilgore and said >>> > "Bingo" or "Eureka" or "Hallelujah" or whatever "I've found >>> > them -these >>> > must be the brothers our family history speak of." He then listed >>> > them >>> > as ! >>> > brothers and we've contended with those names since; which means to >>> > some extent those of us concerned with these lines keep trying to put >>> > them together and slice and dice to make things work-when they might >>> > not >>> > necessarily fit. >>> > >>> > When it comes to "family tradition", I always keep in mind what I >>> > read >>> > in a book about beginning genealogy written by an accredited >>> > genealogist >>> > (no I don't remember his name or his book-just that I read it about >>> > 15 >>> > years ago)-be wary of "family history & traditions" because facts >>> > change >>> > with each telling and re-telling of the story. Use them as >>> > guidelines-absolutely-but don't accept them as gospel truth until or >>> > unless you can independently verify them and better yet-document >>> > them. >>> > >>> > >>> > Due to space considerations-I'll continue this on another email >>> > Vickie >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> > with >>> > the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with >>> the >>> > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> > the >>> > message >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

WOW! Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Rennow" <[email protected]> To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: [KILGORE] Randy's Version of the Kilgore Family History > OK I didn't want to reveal this, as some people are very sensitive and > get real defensive when faced with the truth. So instead of all that, > just be glad that Randy shared his research with me. Thank you Randy. > You're a good man. > > In the mid 1700's, in what is now Poland, thirteen odd men escaped from > the central insane asylum. They joined a circus, which traveled across > Europe. After a long year, three of the men decided they had had enough > of scooping elephant poop. Upon reaching the coast, they joined a band > of pirates, specifically the Dread Pirate Robert. [Yes, it was the same > Pirate Robert made famous by the Princess Bride movie.] > > One of the insane pirates was not happy. He complained, "If I have to > experience any more gore, I'll kill myself." No need said Pirate > Robert. Get off my ship. Then Robert kicked him over board. Splash. > > He swam to shore past hungry sharks. Even though he was covered in > blood, he smelled so bad that they rejected him as lunch. Apparently, > he had not bathed in years. > > A young woman saw him lying on the beach. She asked him his name. He > mumbled something about gore, kill, gore, blood, kill--gore, pirate, > Robert, kill... She asked, "You are Robert Kilgore?" He moaned which > she took as an affirmation. From then on the insane pirate, elephant > attendant, Franco Subalasky, was known as Robert Kilgore. > > He settled in Virginia and Pennsylvania. Yes, he had family in both > places. He didn't do it on purpose. Although undiagnosed as such, he > obviously suffered from multi personality disorder. Also one > personality thought he was born 30 years after the other, which confused > friends and family. > > His Virginia family consisted of 5 sons. They were all big talkers and > even the ones who slept through the Revolution, boasted of fighting at > Kings Mountain. Once the emails were sent, it was accepted as fact. > > Any questions? > > Cousin Dennie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have contributed to a couple of different projects this year. I am not an authority on DNA but more than willing to do my part. One of my projects had an offer for only $75 which three of us split; on another one there were 5 of us and we contributed $25. There seems to be a larger group here so mybe it could be less? Also it depends on the marker as to the cost? I think it should be at least a 37 marker? Is $150 a ballpark figure? Are there at least 15 on this list that would/could contribute $10? I think Vickie has summed it up very well. I think $150 may be the going rate for 37 markers, and we probably can;t get it together in time to take advantage of the September 30th deadline for the reduced rate??? So who's on first!!! lol Who is our 'in residence authoity' on DNA!!! A comment on testing two from the same line, that sometimes turns up a surprise... So not even that is a waste??? Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> To: "Kilgore" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: [KILGORE] DNA Testing > I'd like to make a few suggestions. Has anyone determined whether the DNA > testing site with the reduced rates is valid? If so, then that puts us on > a deadline if we're going to get the ball rolling on this. > First- I'd like to suggest that someone either be chosen or volunteers to > coordinate this-preferrably with experience in either handling this sort > of thing or with DNA testing (despite the fact that I'm making > suggestions, I have experience in neither and am not volunteering myself) > Second-that once that person has been chosen, then those of us who wish to > donate then first PLEDGE the amount they wish to donate to the > volunteer-that way if not enough interest or action takes place it will > eliminate the bother for the volunteer to have to return money to those > donating? That way, we'll also have an idea whether enough is being > pledged to actually make this feasible at this time? > Third-I'd suggest that the pledges be made directly to the volunteer > OFF-LIST-that way the volunteer will receive the pledge directly to him > and not have to wade through the list and sort out who's pledging? This > will keep it better organized for that person-also in this time of > belt-tightening it might be more comfortable for some to make their > pledges anonymously (so to speak) directly to the volunteer and not to the > list-perhaps more will respond? > Fourth-Once someone is chosen, a deadline is set for the pledges to be > given to the volunteer so that we can have an idea whether this is going > to fly at this time? The volunteer can keep us apprised of the total and > that way we'll know if this is a go or not. It may be, that we won't be > able to get this project off the ground at this time, and may have to > defer it to some future date. > Fifth-It's my understanding that we need male DNA responders who have a > direct line to our ancestors-we need to determine how many lines we > represent and possibly what lines we want to focus on and what lines have > already been tested-to avoid redundancy. It would be stupid if two > descendants of say Robert & Winnie get tested while a descendant of say > Ralph Kilgore of GA doesn't and so on. We need to focus our resources. > > What do you think? > Sincerely, > Vickie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great! Thank you. I'll do it today. Any way to untangle this lineage is a welcome addition to our research. <[email protected]> wrote: >Kit, I am currently in contact with Grier McFarland >Project Administrator- Kilgore DNA Project. I had to try a direct e-mail >since my familytree e-mail reply said that it had invalid e-mail addresses. >I contacted him at [email protected] They are interested in having new >members. If anyone is is interested please contact him. >Cousin,Robert >Arlington Texas > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM >Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA > > >Dear Cousins, >RE: DNA > >I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008).  I reported my >known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore.  I heard two weeks >later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so >was not able to follow through on the testing.    I will try again with >Familytreedna.  Thank you for the information that they seem to be the best. >If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I can >reasonably afford. > >Christopher (Kit) Kilgore > >D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: > >>My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >>sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >>http://www.familytreedna.com/ >> >> >>There are two basic test. >> >>1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >>Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>hundreds of years) >>Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >>hundreds of years) >>A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. >> >>2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >>paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >>with no influence of any females along that line. >>Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >>hundreds of years) >>Women can not take this test. >> >>Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. >> >>The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >>better. >> >>So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >>registered on the site. >> >>Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. >> >>_________________________________________________________ >> >>OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. >> >>Accuracy >> >>The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >>however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. >> >>People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >>They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >>Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >>tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >>fertile. >> >>I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >>about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >>Her parents died without telling her. >> >>When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >>KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >>father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >>before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >>out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. >> >>When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >>my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >>really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >>always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >>didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >>illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >>discover more than they want to know. >> >>Let me give you an example of how this can work. >> >>2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >>shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >>mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >>was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >>Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >>children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >>Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >>two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >>the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >>have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >>accurate the group results. >> >>Clear as mud? >> >> >> >>* >>* >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>in the subject and the body of the message >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd like to make a few suggestions. Has anyone determined whether the DNA testing site with the reduced rates is valid? If so, then that puts us on a deadline if we're going to get the ball rolling on this. First- I'd like to suggest that someone either be chosen or volunteers to coordinate this-preferrably with experience in either handling this sort of thing or with DNA testing (despite the fact that I'm making suggestions, I have experience in neither and am not volunteering myself) Second-that once that person has been chosen, then those of us who wish to donate then first PLEDGE the amount they wish to donate to the volunteer-that way if not enough interest or action takes place it will eliminate the bother for the volunteer to have to return money to those donating? That way, we'll also have an idea whether enough is being pledged to actually make this feasible at this time? Third-I'd suggest that the pledges be made directly to the volunteer OFF-LIST-that way the volunteer will receive the pledge directly to him and not have to wade through the list and sort out who's pledging? This will keep it better organized for that person-also in this time of belt-tightening it might be more comfortable for some to make their pledges anonymously (so to speak) directly to the volunteer and not to the list-perhaps more will respond? Fourth-Once someone is chosen, a deadline is set for the pledges to be given to the volunteer so that we can have an idea whether this is going to fly at this time? The volunteer can keep us apprised of the total and that way we'll know if this is a go or not. It may be, that we won't be able to get this project off the ground at this time, and may have to defer it to some future date. Fifth-It's my understanding that we need male DNA responders who have a direct line to our ancestors-we need to determine how many lines we represent and possibly what lines we want to focus on and what lines have already been tested-to avoid redundancy. It would be stupid if two descendants of say Robert & Winnie get tested while a descendant of say Ralph Kilgore of GA doesn't and so on. We need to focus our resources. What do you think? Sincerely, Vickie

In a message dated 9/12/2008 8:03:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I'll also be traveling around doing interviews and promoting the book so when my schedule is set I'll post it to the board Will you be coming to the West Coast at all??? <EG> I would love to get that book autographed in person. Dorothy **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

Kit, I am currently in contact with Grier McFarland Project Administrator- Kilgore DNA Project. I had to try a direct e-mail since my familytree e-mail reply said that it had invalid e-mail addresses. I contacted him at [email protected] They are interested in having new members. If anyone is is interested please contact him. Cousin,Robert Arlington Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] DNA Dear Cousins, RE: DNA I contacted them (familytreedna.com)late last Spring (2008). I reported my known lineage back to my great-great grandfather Kilgore. I heard two weeks later from the company, but not from the family site administrator, and so was not able to follow through on the testing. I will try again with Familytreedna. Thank you for the information that they seem to be the best. If they answer me this time, I will do the test for as many markers as I can reasonably afford. Christopher (Kit) Kilgore D Rennow <[email protected]> wrote: >My daughter has studied genetics for many years. She researched the >sites and said this one seems to give the most for the money. >http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > >There are two basic test. > >1. Mitochondria (mtDNA) is only done through the female line. >Female's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >hundreds of years) >Male's Mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother (back >hundreds of years) >A child can not test his or her father's mother's line. > >2. Y-DNA: By testing the Y-DNA, males can determine the origin of their >paternal line. Note that the Y-DNA strictly checks the paternal line, >with no influence of any females along that line. >Male's father's father's father's father's father's father (back >hundreds of years) >Women can not take this test. > >Both test can show if you have Indians or blacks in your line. > >The next choice is how many markers to buy, 12, 25 or 37. The more the >better. > >So far there are 11 Kilgore males that have taken the test and are >registered on the site. > >Anyway, go to the site. There is a tutorial. > >_________________________________________________________ > >OK now that we have covered the basics I have to cover one other point. > >Accuracy > >The test are accurate. They tell you what your genetic connection, >however that isn't necessarily the line you think it is. > >People fooled around in the old days just as much as they do today. >They also took kids in with no formal adoption. Women were raped. >Etc. Anthropological research has shown that world wide, young wives >tend to cheat on old husbands and women cheat more when they are most >fertile. > >I have a cousin that did not find out she was adopted until she was >about 55. She would have never known except another cousin told her. >Her parents died without telling her. > >When they first started the Y test, they wanted subjects that absolutely >KNEW who their fathers were. For example, the man looked just like his >father. His mother was a saint. His parents were married for years >before he was born. Of those men who KNEW who there father was... 1 >out of 7 were wrong. Those are mighty high odds. > >When I reminded someone of this in another group, one man told me that >my family may be full of sluts, but his wasn't! He was serious and >really nasty about it. My guess is that based on his reaction, he has >always questioned his genetic relationship to his father. Whatever, he >didn't need to be so nasty. I certainly didn't say he was >illegitimate. I just think people need to realize that they may >discover more than they want to know. > >Let me give you an example of how this can work. > >2 descendants of Henry Walker born 1820 both take the Y test. The test >shows they are closely related and have the same ancestor. Does that >mean that they are both out of Henry? Maybe. It could be that there >was a smooth talking, really handsome stud, named Frank, living near >Henry. Henry had no idea that Frank fathered all but one of Henry's >children and half the other children in the same town. Another of >Henry's descendants takes the test and he doesn't match the the other >two. They say he isn't related to Henry. The fact is that he could be >the only one related to Henry. Since we can't test Henry directly, we >have to go with the odds. The more people that take the test the more >accurate the group results. > >Clear as mud? > > > >* >* > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My daughter did that for her tree (no kids, just direct ancestors). It went from the kitchen, down the hall, circled the living room and ended up back in the hall. Her husband's entire tree fit on one little 8.5 X 11 piece of paper. She couldn't understand why he wasn't interested in genealogy. I suggested that her tree might be intimidating him. She has since taken his back a few hundred years. A friend of mine, Penny, had drew her pedigree. It took me a while to see what was odd about it. She skipped generations and only included her more famous/interesting ancestors. I used to have a large fold out tree that I had added a time line across the bottom. When my kids were studying history, I would whip out the tree and we would talk about their ancestors that were alive during the event, how it impacted their life, how they must have felt, etc. If I had pictures of them then I would pull those out too. My kids aced history because it was real to them, not just strangers and dates. Family Tree Maker now has a historical time line feature. They apparently stole my idea! I had to "map" out the Kilgores of the South Cumberland Plateau to keep them straight. There are so many with the same names and close years of birth. Anyway, I tried to work on the project a bit but my brain still isn't up to it. I'll try again in a few weeks. Cousin Dennie P.S. I don't expect comments on this. I am just ranting. I just wrote FOX News. Geraldo (in Galveston) and a woman reporter (in NY) referred to local citizens that stayed as idiots. My question is this. Why is it safe for reporters to be in mandatory evacuation areas and not OK for the local citizens? It is sending out the wrong message. People will die and the media are partially to blame. When I was a kid growing up on a barrier island, they told us to leave. If someone did not leave they were arrested and taken to the mainland. Once the evacuation was complete, the cops left too and raised the drawbridge on their way out. There was no looting. No one was risking their life to save someone too stupid to leave on their own. Bob Shaw wrote: > I am surprised all you Kilgores do not have one grand tree showing all the > Kilgore's. > I have one for me and one for my wife. Each tree, when cut and pasted , is > 4 ft wide and 10 fr long. > I don't have the children on my trees but it would be necessary for the > Kilgore tree. > > Charles R. (Bob) Shaw > 2425 Sherwin Dr. > Twinsburg Ohio 44087 > fax 330 963 6858 > cell 330 247 8543 > phone 330 425 8819 > [email protected] > [email protected] > www.engineeredspecialproducts.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:17 AM > Subject: Re: [KILGORE] http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale > > > >> Thanks for posting this. As for this lineage, I for one don't know. >> Vickie >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:43 AM >> Subject: [KILGORE] >> http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale<http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale> >> >> >> Y-DNA67+mtDNAplus Reduced >> $409 >> $288 >> This site is the one with the sale to sept 30 th. There is a Thomas >> Kilgore >> listed on one post shows born abt 1815 ..Walton County Ga. Does any one >> know >> if this is the son of Robert Killgore Jr. and Hannah Bussey Robert was >> born >> 1788 Wilkes Co Ga. Died 1851 Perry county Al. This is what i have listed >> William KIllgore Sr. (1726) Father of Robert KIllgore Sr. born (1753) >> Father of >> Robert Killgore Jr. born 1788 was Father of Thomas Killgore born (1815) >> If this >> is right This is my line Thomas KIllgore was my GGGGG Uncle. I would be >> interested in the dna test...Now that i have you confused can anyone tell >> me if >> this is right....Billy >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the >> word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am surprised all you Kilgores do not have one grand tree showing all the Kilgore's. I have one for me and one for my wife. Each tree, when cut and pasted , is 4 ft wide and 10 fr long. I don't have the children on my trees but it would be necessary for the Kilgore tree. Charles R. (Bob) Shaw 2425 Sherwin Dr. Twinsburg Ohio 44087 fax 330 963 6858 cell 330 247 8543 phone 330 425 8819 [email protected] [email protected] www.engineeredspecialproducts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [KILGORE] http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale > Thanks for posting this. As for this lineage, I for one don't know. > Vickie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:43 AM > Subject: [KILGORE] > http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale<http://www.worldfamilies.net/summersale> > > > Y-DNA67+mtDNAplus Reduced > $409 > $288 > This site is the one with the sale to sept 30 th. There is a Thomas > Kilgore > listed on one post shows born abt 1815 ..Walton County Ga. Does any one > know > if this is the son of Robert Killgore Jr. and Hannah Bussey Robert was > born > 1788 Wilkes Co Ga. Died 1851 Perry county Al. This is what i have listed > William KIllgore Sr. (1726) Father of Robert KIllgore Sr. born (1753) > Father of > Robert Killgore Jr. born 1788 was Father of Thomas Killgore born (1815) > If this > is right This is my line Thomas KIllgore was my GGGGG Uncle. I would be > interested in the dna test...Now that i have you confused can anyone tell > me if > this is right....Billy > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion > blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014<http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014>) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I tried it too and didn't have enough room to put eveyone on the wall. Gail

Hi Gladys, I'm very happy to sign copies of my book for any of the cousins who want them. I'm always a little surprised when people ask me to sign because I don't think of myself that way, but it's always nice to hear, and encourages me in the writing. Since the major secular book chains as well as Christian bookstores are selling the book, I don't have copies in stock myself, so the easiest thing, I think, is for you to figure out how many copies you'd like, and then we can calculate how much that would cost from Discovery House. You can then make an electronic payment to our ministry using our website (_www.madetomatter.org_ (http://www.madetomatter.org) ), (or by mailing a check if you prefer), and I'll then have Discovery House ship them directly to me. That way I can sign them and forward them safely to you. (OR) You can buy the books yourself, ship them to me and I'll sign them and ship them back. I'm happy to do it whichever way is easiest for you. I'll also be traveling around doing interviews and promoting the book so when my schedule is set I'll post it to the board in case I can meet some of the cousins. I promise I'm doing everything humanly possible to avoid Atlanta because the last time Dennie and I got together (here in Boston) three major earthquakes, two massive hurricanes and a 300 point drop in the stock market all happened shortly thereafter! Just kidding, Dennie! Thanks for asking, Gladys! Warm regards as always, Randy In a message dated 9/11/2008 5:11:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hey, Randy, is there any way we can order autographed copies of this book??? I think I am going to buy this as a Christmas present for several relatives.....how is that for one stop shopping??? I thought it would be nice to have autographed copies but probably not possible. Gladys In a message dated 9/10/2008 11:24:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Randy's new book is; MADE TO MATTER_ DEVOTIONS FOR WORKING CHRISTIANS. The paper back is temp. out of stock but can be ordered and will be sent later. The hard back is available. Nell **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014)

I can have my husband do the Y-DNA test but he will show up in the Thomas 1720 - MD lines. Again, the more markers that can be done the better chance of finding other descendants of Thomas. I will have to see if we have money available to do this test and when. We got hit kind of hard this summer with things going wrong with what seemed to be everything here in Colorado. Gail