Good Monday Morning Everyone, This is from one of our New England Kidder Cousins who has done very good research on our family. She is only subbed to our Kidder Digest; but will read and reply to postings using the Digest. If anyone is connected to our Kidder Ancestors listed here; please send e mail to the following address: bbffrrpp@mediaone.net I hope everyone had a good weekend. Sincerely, Ramona | | > I am searching for any descendants of Calvin Kidder of Princeton, ME | > Actually there were two Calvin Kidder's, father and son. Calvin | > Kidder (1765-1799) arrived in northern Maine around 1785, but he settled | > in St. Stephen, NB. Two months before his untimely death, his son, | > Joseph "Calvin" Kidder was born. This Calvin Kidder (1799-1891) grew | > up in St. Stephen, NB, and remained there until he was over 30. After | > that he married a woman from Amity, ME, and moved to that town. Then | he lived in Calais, ME, for a while with his wife and 6 or 7 children. | > There were rumors that he owned a large Land Grant in Princeton, ME, | > inherited from his late father. But, neither Calvin ever settled on | > the land. It was the 3 oldest sons of Calvin and Mary (Wilkins) | > Kidder who ended up owning large farms in Princeton, ME. They were | > Jonathon, Calvin, and Joseph Kidder. Between those 3 brothers, they | > had over 30 children. Joseph Kidder was my ancestor. Joseph and | > Clarissa (Wilkins) Kidder had 6 children. The oldest was George | > "Sanford" Kidder, born in 1870. "Sanford" Kidder was my | > great-grandfather. The other children were Julia, Frank, Ruth, | > Clinton, and Aurelia. ...... In his early 20's, "Sanford" | > married a Hattie Chubbock, but she died a few months later. In this | > late 20's, he married a woman from Arlington, MA. Louise Rice and | > her sister, Edith Rice, were visiting their Rice grandparents in Lubec, | > ME, and at the time, "Sanford" was living in Eastport, ME. | > "Sanford" and Louise married in Princeton, ME, in 1898, but they came | > back to Arlington, MA, to live. ..... "Sanford" and Louise Kidder | > had 3 children: Clarissa Adelaide Kidder, George "Sanford" Kidder, | > Jr., and Clinton Wellington Kidder. ....... I have been | > researching the KIDDER family tree for 7-8 years. I have found out | > quite a bit of information about my line of Kidder men, which went from | > Billerica and Chelmsford, MA, to New Ipswich and Temple, NH, UP TO | > Princeton, ME, and St. Stephen, NB. But, it is the families in | > Princeton, ME, which is my ROADBLOCK. ......... I have found out | > some information about my great-grandfather and his two brothers. | > Frank Kidder and Clinton Kidder had both moved their families to Berlin, | > NH. And, I have connected with several of Frank Kidder's | > descendants! Clinton Kidder had a serious illness and they moved | > back to Princeton, ME. I have connected with the daughter born to | > him a year before he died. BUT, I know almost nothing about their | > three sisters. All I have found out is their married names: | > Mrs. Julia (Kidder) Robinson, Mrs. Ruth (Kidder) Moore, and Mrs. | > Aurelia (Kidder) Harris. (Mrs. John Robinson, Mrs. Alex Moore, Mrs. | > John Harris). And, I have also found out they all passed away during | > the 1920's. I would very much like to find out if they had any | > children. | > .... I'd also like to mention the fact that there is a Kidder Family | > Association. George Kidder in FL runs it, and he is searching for ALL | > Kidder descendants! | > .... Both Calvin Kidder (the son) and Joseph Kidder (his son) married | > woman from northern Maine, with the surname, Wilkins. Because of the | > age difference, they were probably not sisters or cousins, but they | > could have been an aunt and niece. What I am saying is that I suspect | > they were related to each other. | > .... I know the names and approx. birth years of over 30 of Calvin and | > Mary Kidder's grandchildren. But, that's all I know. | > .... Someone in CA has informed me that Calvin and Mary Kidder had | > another son, James Kidder (b1847), whom I can find no other information | > on. | > .... Another Kidder descendant I have connected with is a descendant | > of Jonathon Kidder, my great-great-grandfather's older brother. | > "John's" first wife died soon after the birth of their 5th? son; he | > remarried. "John" and Jane Kidder had a son of their own, Joseph | > Lewis Kidder. I have found one of his descendants. | > .... For over 5 years, I have been trying to get the Kidder families | > which still live in the towns surrounding Princeton, ME, to correspond | > with me, and they will NOT. One Kidder descendant in Bar Harbor was | > annoyed that I had contacted him. I am curious if there are "family | > secrets," etc., which they do not wish to reveal. Or, are there | > just too many "private families" in that area? | | > Thank you for listening. In case I haven't made it clear, I would | > dearly love to correspond with ANY descendant of Calvin Kidder of | > Princeton, ME. And, in an attempt to help George Kidder, I would | > dearly love to create a file on ALL the Kidders in Maine.... I had originally thought that Calvin Kidder, from New Ipswich, NH, | > was the first Kidder to settle in Maine around 1785, but a year ago I | > found out that Richard Kidder from Billerica, MA, settled in Maine | > around 1765, the year Calvin was born. From a Census Form, I found | > out that between 1800 and 1820, twenty Kidder cousins settled in "the | > Northern Territory of Massachusetts." | > .... The "Kidder Family History" involves: the descendants of Ensign | > James Kidder (1626-1676) who arrived in the Massachusetts Bay Colony | > around 1648, and settled first in Cambridge, MA, and then next in | > Billerica, MA. He and his wife had 12 children, and many of their | > children had 12 children each, and so the story continued. | | | > (Greater Boston) |

my great-grandmother was raised in the home of henry kidder (son of larnard) in warren co ill. her name was mary jane brooks (william adams - widowed, lived again with kidders until remarriage to aaron see) b. 1857 near kalamazoo, mi. (a year before birth certificates were issued so we don't know exactly where). there was a scandal involved either in her birth or in the reason she was raised in the kidder home. her mother was supposedly alive and living in st louis. mo. my grandparents were very tight-lipped about this and now i am hoping for some oral history, a family bible, or a journal that might put a niche in this brick wall. carol thorpe@up.net

Hi Sandy, I would think that Sutten Kidder was the father of Luther Kidder>father of William Nicholas Kidder. But I still have much research to do; and also I have not viewed the Census Records in the Scioto Co. Library closely. They have very good records on the Kidder Family; including military history. Until I can do more research I am going with Gramma' s Bible and family history notes and what more learned Kidder Researchers are helping me sort out regarding the Kidder line from Luther Kidder father of William Nicholas Kidder. I never thought finding and verifying one's lineage would be so time consuming and involve so many names and locations. Sincerely, Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: cherokee6 <cherokee6@bright.net> To: <KIDDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: Fw: Sutten Kidder-Bracken Co., KY | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: <SHSTRITR@aol.com> | To: <cherokee6@bright.net> | Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:40 PM | Subject: Re: Sutten Kidder-Bracken Co., KY | | | | Hi Ramona, | | It's me, your cousin Sandy. I am still trying to figure out if Sutten Kidder | | is Luther Sr., who is Luther Kidder Jr.'s father. I am trying to find out if | | his real name is Luther Sutten or just Sutten. Everyone has always said he | | was Luther Sr., but the census calls him Sutten. | | This is bugging the heck out of me! I haven't seen a Sutten Kidder anywhere | | else in my research. | | So is Sutten Kidder THE Luther Kidder Sr. born in NY and father to Luther | | Kidder Jr.? | | What's your insight on the subject? | | Sandy | | | | | ==== KIDDER Mailing List ==== | Find something to do today visit Rootsweb.com | http://www.rootsweb.com | | ============================== | Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. | http://pml.rootsweb.com/ | Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. |

----- Original Message ----- From: <SHSTRITR@aol.com> To: <cherokee6@bright.net> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Sutten Kidder-Bracken Co., KY | Hi Ramona, | It's me, your cousin Sandy. I am still trying to figure out if Sutten Kidder | is Luther Sr., who is Luther Kidder Jr.'s father. I am trying to find out if | his real name is Luther Sutten or just Sutten. Everyone has always said he | was Luther Sr., but the census calls him Sutten. | This is bugging the heck out of me! I haven't seen a Sutten Kidder anywhere | else in my research. | So is Sutten Kidder THE Luther Kidder Sr. born in NY and father to Luther | Kidder Jr.? | What's your insight on the subject? | Sandy |

Hi Sandy, Who are you trying to connect the Sutten Kidder household to? Who is the Kidder Line you are researching? There are 4 Kidder HHs in the 1850 Bracken Co. Census: Lafayette Kidder Sutten Kidder---Willis Kidder---Luther Kidder. I have some information on the Household of Luther Kidder and his family. Luther was the father of my GGreat Grandfather William Nicholas Kidder. William Nicholas Kidder md. Louisa Rebecca Mitchell Kidder. Their son David Francis Kidder md. Icie Dora Hamilton Kidder. Their daughter Hazel Marie Kidder md. Gerald Bayes. Their son Francis Edward Bayes md. Madge Naomi Smith Bayes. Their daughter Ramona Gayle Bayes md Steven Bruce Woods Thank you, Ramona Gayle Bayes Woods ----- Original Message ----- From: <SHSTRITR@aol.com> To: <cherokee6@bright.net> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Sutten Kidder-Bracken Co., KY | Hi Everyone, | Does anyone know about Sutten Kidder 64, that is listed in the 1850 | Census for Bracken Co. KY living in the same household as May 60, | Lafayette 23, Elizabeth 21, Charles 15, William 12, John 8. I am guessing | that this is Luther Sr. and his wife May. | Is Sutten his middle name or is Luther? Or is this even him at all? I | haven't seen a Sutten anywhere else in my research. What does everyone think | about this? | Please let me here some input on this! | Sandy |

----- Original Message ----- From: <SHSTRITR@aol.com> To: <cherokee6@bright.net> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 6:52 PM Subject: Sutten Kidder-Bracken Co., KY | Hi Everyone, | Does anyone know about Sutten Kidder 64, that is listed in the 1850 | Census for Bracken Co. KY living in the same household as May 60, | Lafayette 23, Elizabeth 21, Charles 15, William 12, John 8. I am guessing | that this is Luther Sr. and his wife May. | Is Sutten his middle name or is Luther? Or is this even him at all? I | haven't seen a Sutten anywhere else in my research. What does everyone think | about this? | Please let me here some input on this! | Sandy |

Good Morning Everyone, There has been enough interest in the Kidder Family Newsletter to begin gathering ideas for our first letter to be ready by Christmas of this year--hopefully! I live in Ross County, OH and can do research on our Kidder Ancestors in Adams and Highland Co. OH through the Local Newspapers and County Libraries. Betty bbffrrpp@mediaone.net is in New England and has offered to do research there. We need others living in different states to gather info from their local resources. Some of the ideas for the Newsletters: Marriages Anniversaries Births Deaths Graduations Eldest Kidder Descendant--with photo Youngest Kidder Descendant--with photo Family Pictures of our Kidder Kin Family Reunion Dates and Locations Kidder Family Projects--mine is to improve the Kidder Pioneer Cemetery in New Vienna, OH and find our "lost" Kidder Cemeteries in Adams Co, OH. What does everyone think? All help and feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thank You, Ramona ps--also 5 Generations and more Photos would be nice to share.

Good Morning Everyone: I believe my Kidder Lineage to be as follows: James Kidder--England James Kidder--Mass. James Kidder--Mass? Ephriam Kidder--NY? John Kidder--New York. Luther Kidder, SR b ca 1784 Cattaragus Co., NY md Mary "Polly" Combs {?}. Luther Kidder, JR b May 15, 1819 md Sarah Sherwood ca 1840. NOTE: Also from Luther Kidder, Sr's line I am seeking information on his daughter Mary Kidder b ca 1825/30 who m George Hamilton--My GGGrandfather Ahab Francis Hamilton was the s/o George and Mary Kidder Hamilton. William Nicholas Kidder and Louisa Rebecca Mitchell Kidder. David Francis Kidder and Icie Dora Hamilton Kidder. Hazel Marie Kidder and Gerald Bayes. My Father is Francis Edward Bayes son of Gerald and Hazel Marie Kidder Bayes. All help with additions/corrections will be appreciated. Thank You, Ramona Gayle Bayes Woods In Memory of my Grandmother Hazel Marie Kidder Bayes-Jan. 8 1902-April 28, 1992. In Memory of my Father Francis Edward Bayes-Nov. 19, 1920-July 26, 1995.

----- Original Message ----- From: <SHSTRITR@aol.com> To: <cherokee6@bright.net> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: Re: KIDDER - SHERWOOD | Hi Ramona and all, | I have been thinking about Abigail or Morning Dawn or Morning Star and was | just wondering if her name might have been Abbie Gale or something to that | effect. I have found evidence that there were some Gales in NY in the 1800's. | It may be a long shot but thought that it could be a possibility. What does | everyone else think? | Sandy |

Good Afternoon Everyone, I have found these Kidder so far in the 1850 Bracken Co., KY Census: KIDDER, Lafayette age 23 M W Farmer born NY KIDDER, Elizabeth age 21 F W born KY ********************************************************************** ************************** KIDDER, Sutten age 64 M W Farmer born NY KIDDER, May age 60 F W born NY KIDDER, Charles age 16 M W born NY KIDDER, William age 12 M W born NY KIDDER, John age 8 M W born NY ********************************************************************** ************************** KIDDER, Willis age 37 M W Farmer born NY KIDDER, Penelope age 34 F W born NY KIDDER, Nelson age 12 M W born NY KIDDER, Hiram age 10 M W born NY KIDDER, Sutton age 8 M W born NY KIDDER, Laura age 6 F W born KY KIDDER, Phobe age 4 F W born KY KIDDER, Andrew age 2 M W born KY ********************************************************************** ************************* KIDDER, Luther age 30 M W born NY KIDDER, Sarah age 36 F W born NY KIDDER, Alonzo age 6 M W born KY KIDDER, Delilah age 3 F W born KY KIDDER, Thomas age 1 M W born KY. I am sorry for the crooked lines; and this last entry must be the parents of William Nicholas Kidder? Does anyone agree; or is my reasoning wrong? In Gramma's Bible she lists William Nicholas' Siblings as: Brothers: Thomas--Alonzo--and Joseph Sisters: Paulliniae--Mallissa--and Abagail *Paulliniae's name is very faded; but I have studied the spelling and this seems to be correct*. This is the 4 households of Kidders I found in the Census. Thank You, Ramona

Posted on: KIDDER Biographies Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/k/i/KIDDER/biographies/3 Surname: Kidder ------------------------- Hi Everyone, Use this link to go to Family History On Line. You can then type up any surname you are researching in your Kidder Family Line and will be taken to the message board. I use Family History allot! Ramona Link: Family History On Line Genealogy URL: <http://www.familyhistory.com/>

Posted on: KIDDER Biographies Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/k/i/KIDDER/biographies/2 Surname: Kidder ------------------------- Hi Everyone, Here is a very good site providing more help in our Kidder research. Ramona Link: Kidder Surname Community at Ancestry.com URL: <http://www.ancestry.com/share/surname/main.asp?surname=KIDDER>

I just can't type or spell this evening; I meant all not al. Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: cherokee6 <cherokee6@bright.net> To: <KIDDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:57 PM Subject: A very good idea from Sharon! | Hi Everyone, | This is a great idea from Sharon, | Thank you all for sending in your messages and suggestions al well as | your lines. | | | Ramona | | | | | | | | Could we put the name, year and location of the person were looking | for (if | | known) in the subject box on our messages? For example, Luther | Kidder, | | 1900, NY, that way we know very quickly who we are talking about. | Luther | | seems to be a very popular name in the Kidder line. | | | | | | Sharon | | | | | ==== KIDDER Mailing List ==== | Please give the location of your Kidder Family when posting to the list. | | ============================== | Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: | Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. | http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ |

Hi Everyone, This is a great idea from Sharon, Thank you all for sending in your messages and suggestions al well as your lines. Ramona | Could we put the name, year and location of the person were looking for (if | known) in the subject box on our messages? For example, Luther Kidder, | 1900, NY, that way we know very quickly who we are talking about. Luther | seems to be a very popular name in the Kidder line. | | | Sharon

----- Original Message ----- From: Maria Two Heart <m2heart@webtv.net> To: cherokee6 <cherokee6@bright.net> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Hello..New List Mom | Hello Everyone | | My name is Maria Two Heart nee Maria Kidder formerly from Lafayette, | Louisiana. I am a descendant of Thomas Kidder. He came to the Americas | with 2 brothers. They stayed on the East Coast and grandfather went to | live in Nova Scotia where he married a Mi'kmaq native. They went to | Louisiana during the time of the Grande Derangement of the Acadians. | | Then once in Louisiana some more of grandfathers offspring married into | the Atakapa people of which I am. Therefore I am | English-Mi'kmaq-Atakapa. | | The old ones do not like to talk about the Native in our blood. It was | a bad situation to be native back in their day. Today we call is | racism. I learned of my full heritage on the my father's dying bed. I | knew about Thomas and the brothers but not about the Native in our | bloodline. | | Kidders, stand tall. We are of a proud and rich heritage. I welcome | you to my family. | | | I will walk the road of Truth and Peace | | |

I don't know why I am getting double mailings? I get 2 of each letter. In God I Trust, Donna

Hi Sandy, Can you shed any light on the SHERWOOD family? Do you have a death date and location for Sarah SHERWOOD wife of Luther KIDDER Sr.? Also, would you mind giving your source(s) for determining that John KIDDER is the father of Luther KIDDER Sr.? Thank you Donna Hile >| My name is Sandy Kidder Rich and I live in Central Fl and here is >my Kidder >| lines: >| >| Sandy Kidder Rich>Orville Lee Kidder>Orville Austin Kidder> Clarence >Edward >| Kidder>William Nicholas Kidder>Luther (Jr) Kidder>Luther (Sr) >Kidder>John >| Kidder(?)>Ephraim Kidder>James Kidder>James Kidder>James Kidder the >1st >| Will share more later, >| Sandy

Mistake!!! It seems that Luther Kidder married twice--not Great Great Grandpa William Nicholas Kidder. I am sorry for the confusion. Sincerely, Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: cherokee6 <cherokee6@bright.net> To: <KIDDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:42 AM Subject: Re: KIDDER - SHERWOOD | Hi Donna, | Could it be GGrandpa William Nicholas was married twice? His first | wife being Sarah Cody? Wonder where the name Kenton came from and why | the change of names? | Donna in researching my Mother's family lines nothing now surprises | me; well I'm surprised but not shocked. | I would always take information from Vital Records over those of our | families. | Being human our Grandparents and GGrandparents wrote out family lines | as they thought we should know them. | This seems to be somewhat true in all families. | Thank you so much for this information. | One other thing--our early families seem to marry into the same | families; so Sarah Kidder also marrying a Cody/Cady { Joseph | Cody/Cady} would follow this trend. | Sincerely, | Ramona | | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: Donna <dhile@bright.net> | To: <KIDDER-L@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:17 AM | Subject: KIDDER - SHERWOOD | | | | Ramona, | | | | I found on "KY Vital Records micro-film"....rented from AGLL | | and supposedly this was filmed from the *original* records.... | | | | KIDDER, Nicholas Kenton s/o Luther KIDDER and Sarah CODY, | | born 7 April 1858 Bracken Co.,KY. | | | | I am almost certain that this is your William Nicholas KIDDER | | as the birth date fits.....but why would her name be listed as CODY? | | | | The one and only CODY connection I have found thus far is....... | | Sarah KIDDER d/o Luther KIDDER Sr. and Mary "Polly" [? maiden name]; | | born abt. 1819 and married Joseph CODY or CADY. | | | | Do you have comments on this....anything at all? | | Was this just an error or what? | | | | Donna | | | | | | | | ==== KIDDER Mailing List ==== | | Post Your Kidder Bible Records Here: | | | http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/k/i/KIDDER/bible_r | ecords | | | | ============================== | | Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: | | Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at | | http://resources.rootsweb.com/ | | | | | ==== KIDDER Mailing List ==== | Please Post Your Kidder Obituraries Here: | http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/k/i/KIDDER/obituar ies | | ============================== | Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: | Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at | http://resources.rootsweb.com/ |

----- Original Message ----- From: <SHSTRITR@aol.com> To: <cherokee6@bright.net> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Good Morning Kidder Couisns | Hi, | My name is Sandy Kidder Rich and I live in Central Fl and here is my Kidder | lines: | | Sandy Kidder Rich>Orville Lee Kidder>Orville Austin Kidder> Clarence Edward | Kidder>William Nicholas Kidder>Luther (Jr) Kidder>Luther (Sr) Kidder>John | Kidder(?)>Ephraim Kidder>James Kidder>James Kidder>James Kidder the 1st | Will share more later, | Sandy |

Hi Donna, Could it be GGrandpa William Nicholas was married twice? His first wife being Sarah Cody? Wonder where the name Kenton came from and why the change of names? Donna in researching my Mother's family lines nothing now surprises me; well I'm surprised but not shocked. I would always take information from Vital Records over those of our families. Being human our Grandparents and GGrandparents wrote out family lines as they thought we should know them. This seems to be somewhat true in all families. Thank you so much for this information. One other thing--our early families seem to marry into the same families; so Sarah Kidder also marrying a Cody/Cady { Joseph Cody/Cady} would follow this trend. Sincerely, Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna <dhile@bright.net> To: <KIDDER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: KIDDER - SHERWOOD | Ramona, | | I found on "KY Vital Records micro-film"....rented from AGLL | and supposedly this was filmed from the *original* records.... | | KIDDER, Nicholas Kenton s/o Luther KIDDER and Sarah CODY, | born 7 April 1858 Bracken Co.,KY. | | I am almost certain that this is your William Nicholas KIDDER | as the birth date fits.....but why would her name be listed as CODY? | | The one and only CODY connection I have found thus far is....... | Sarah KIDDER d/o Luther KIDDER Sr. and Mary "Polly" [? maiden name]; | born abt. 1819 and married Joseph CODY or CADY. | | Do you have comments on this....anything at all? | Was this just an error or what? | | Donna | | | | ==== KIDDER Mailing List ==== | Post Your Kidder Bible Records Here: | http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/k/i/KIDDER/bible_r ecords | | ============================== | Genealogy calendars, guestbooks and more: | Visit RootsWeb's Resource Center at | http://resources.rootsweb.com/ |