Hi Cousin Joann, Yes, Ramona and I are cousins too, and I am very happy to have found a great person like Ramona. How far back do you go? If all is correct, I go back to 1298 ending with John Wroth b. abt 1298 married to Margaret De Enfieldr b. abt 1300. If anyone disagrees with this, please let me know. Mary

Hi Kim, I asked my mother if she remembered how to make applebutter and she gave me a rough idea. She is 82. Peel & slice apples, add sugar according to amount of apples you have, add cinnamon red drops, and cook slowly in large cast iron pot, oudoors if possible over open flame. Cook slowly and all day. When cooled put in jars. If someone has a more exact receipe, please let us know. Mary

You are very welcome. Kay

I well remember the apple butter that my mother used to make. My brother and I along with the neighbor children could easily devour a quart of apple butter and a loaf of home made bread and butter in a very short time. To make, she peeld apples (Any kind) and sliced them. The thinner the slice the quicker they cooked. She added a little bit of water to them to help keep them from sticking and put them on a low heat.You could add more water if they were starting to stick to the pan. When the apples were soft, she ran them through a food mill or collander. She added sugar to taste - some apples are sweeter than others, cinnamon to taste and cooked it on low heat, stirring often until it was very thick - Some people cook theirs in the oven stirring often-( I have heard it does not burn as easily) This whole process can take a whole day depending on the size of the batch. When it was done to her liking she put it in jars and placed it in a water bath for some time (Sorry I can't remember the length of time) and we had apple butter whenever we wanted.If the apples were flat in taste she would add a little lemon juice and sometimes she also added red hot candies to make it pink although we usually did that to just plain apple sauce. If I just wanted a very small batch and had no fresh apples, I have made apple butter from canned apples and it worked for me. Good Luck - Grandma Fern

According to "Gene Logsdon's Practical Skills", this is how to make traditional apple butter: 5 pounds cooking apples 7 cups water 2 cups apple cider 1 teaspoon ground cloves 1 teaspoon allspice 1 tablespoon cinnamon 1/2 teaspoon nutmeg Wash and quarter the apples. Put them in a large, heavy pot with the water and apple cider. Cook for about 15 minutes, or until the apples are soft. Press the apples through a sieve or process in a food mill to make about 2 quarts of apple pulp. Put this pulp back in the pot, add the spices. Bring to a boil and cook gently for a few hours, until thick, stirring frequently so that the butter doesn't stick and burn. Can or freeze for long-term keeping. You can make pear butter the same way, using ginger to spice it. Then below this: There's a faster way to make apple butter, too, compared to the old all-day cooking arrangement. To make a batch, slice the apples but do not bother peeling them. Add half as much cider as apple and cook for about an hour, until the apple slices are very soft. Then run the whole business through a Victorio or Squeezo, which separates the skins from the pulp. Then add your spices: cinnamon, cloves, a bit of nutmeg. cook for about another hour on a low flame, stirring often, until the butter blobs off a spoon rather than runs off, like a syrup. Then if you wish to make the butter perfectly smooth, whirl it in a blender for a few seconds. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Mbdiggin@aol.com <Mbdiggin@aol.com> To: KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] biscuits >Hi Kim, >I asked my mother if she remembered how to make applebutter and she gave me a >rough idea. She is 82. Peel & slice apples, add sugar according to amount >of apples you have, add cinnamon red drops, and cook slowly in large cast >iron pot, oudoors if possible over open flame. Cook slowly and all day. >When cooled put in jars. If someone has a more exact receipe, please let us >know. >Mary >

Kay that is great....... THANKS -----Original Message----- From: KLMPIANO@aol.com <KLMPIANO@aol.com> To: KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] Hiram Grills >Hello everybody, > >Penny asked for a couple of quotes regarding her BROWN relatives... > >At this point, in 1901, grandfather's family moved to Cannonsburg and set up >to operate a general store in a brick building, and he was describing the >area: > >Page 202: > "Across the road, in front of the brick store, Uncle MIKE O'BRIEN lived >in a two story loghouse with his family - JOHN, BRIDGIE, MAGGIE, MIKE, KATE - >MAYME and DAN all grown. Their barn was west of their house on their >triangular piece of land of about five acres. EASTHAM's lived in the n. e. >corner ofthe Pike Crossing in front oftheir store. WILLIAM H. NUNLEY & wife >east of EASTHAM's on the opposite side of Marsh Run. J. M. 'BABE' ROSS east >of NUNLEY's on opposite side ofthe creek and Catlettsburg Pike and his barn >across the road north of this house. West of the Brick was CLARENCE HANDLEY's >blacksmith shop & his residence, with W. H. NUNLEY's steam grist mill, north >and west, on the bank of the creek; Mrs. AMANDA BROWN's residence; WILLIAM >HANDLEY's residence and ALBERT JORDAN's under a big maple tree." > >The following are some more excerpts regarding the same thing: > >Page 206: > "Marsh Run is a small stream that runs west through Cannonsburg and >empties into the East Fork of Little Sandy River about a mile away........... > East of Cannonsburg on the Catlettsburg Pike, J. M. 'BABE' ROSS lived on >the old Becker farm which stretched east about a mile on both sides ofthe >Pike and adjoined the lands of JAMES COLLINS and IKE O'BRIEN. On the Pike >were the lands of JOHN BROWN, Mrs. HALLEY, WILLIAM SPARKMAN and on the hill, >WADE KIRK." > >Hope that is helpful, Penny. > >Kay >

Hello everybody, Penny asked for a couple of quotes regarding her BROWN relatives... At this point, in 1901, grandfather's family moved to Cannonsburg and set up to operate a general store in a brick building, and he was describing the area: Page 202: "Across the road, in front of the brick store, Uncle MIKE O'BRIEN lived in a two story loghouse with his family - JOHN, BRIDGIE, MAGGIE, MIKE, KATE - MAYME and DAN all grown. Their barn was west of their house on their triangular piece of land of about five acres. EASTHAM's lived in the n. e. corner ofthe Pike Crossing in front oftheir store. WILLIAM H. NUNLEY & wife east of EASTHAM's on the opposite side of Marsh Run. J. M. 'BABE' ROSS east of NUNLEY's on opposite side ofthe creek and Catlettsburg Pike and his barn across the road north of this house. West of the Brick was CLARENCE HANDLEY's blacksmith shop & his residence, with W. H. NUNLEY's steam grist mill, north and west, on the bank of the creek; Mrs. AMANDA BROWN's residence; WILLIAM HANDLEY's residence and ALBERT JORDAN's under a big maple tree." The following are some more excerpts regarding the same thing: Page 206: "Marsh Run is a small stream that runs west through Cannonsburg and empties into the East Fork of Little Sandy River about a mile away........... East of Cannonsburg on the Catlettsburg Pike, J. M. 'BABE' ROSS lived on the old Becker farm which stretched east about a mile on both sides ofthe Pike and adjoined the lands of JAMES COLLINS and IKE O'BRIEN. On the Pike were the lands of JOHN BROWN, Mrs. HALLEY, WILLIAM SPARKMAN and on the hill, WADE KIRK." Hope that is helpful, Penny. Kay

Found this on Harrison Smith families: Aaron SMITH Born: 1810 Place: , Simpson Creek, Harrison, VA Married: 26 Feb 1826 Place: Father: James Allen SMITH Mother: Sarah CUTRIGHT Wife's Name Catherine MARTIN Born: 1810 Place: Of Clarksburg, , WV Married: 26 Feb 1826 Place: Children 1 Jedediah SMITH Born: 1841 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 2. Harrison SMITH Born: 1840 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 3. Susannah SMITH Born: 1842 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 4. Mordeciah SMITH Born: 1840 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 5. Indiana SMITH Born: 1839 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 6. Preston SMITH Born: 1826 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 7. Rebecca SMITH Born: 1838 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 8. Rachel SMITH Born: 1836 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> 9. Sarah SMITH Born: 1833 Place: <Of Clarksburg, , Wv> Barnes SMITH Born: 16 Oct 1820 Place: , Ritchie, VA Died: 8 Oct 1885 Place: Married: 6 Jun 1843 Place: Father: Barnes SMITH Mother: Nancy Ann EARLE Wife's Name Hannah DYE Born: 30 Apr 1822 Place: <, Ritchie, Wv> Married: 6 Jun 1843 Place: Father: Dennis DYE Mother: Anna Children 1. Phebe L. SMITH Born: 20 Dec 1849 Place: , Ritchie, WV 2. Isaac SMITH Born: 14 Oct 1847 Place: , Ritchie, WV 3. Francis M. SMITH Born: 18 Nov 1845 Place: , Ritchie, WV 4. Harrison B. SMITH Born: 12 Aug 1844 Place: , Ritchie, WV 5. Joshua D. SMITH Born: 15 Jul 1857 Place: Smithville, Ritchie, WV 6. Asbury SMITH Born: 28 Feb 1865 Place: Smithville, Ritchie, WV 7. Rou Ann SMITH Born: 7 May 1863 Place: Smithville, Ritchie, WV 8. Levi C. SMITH Born: 28 Jun 1860 Place: Smithville, Ritchie, WV 9. Silas SMITH Born: 10 Sep 1854 Place: Smithville, Ritchie, WV 10. Oliver S. SMITH Born: 17 Jun 1853 Place: <Smithville, Ritchie, Wv> 11. Martha A. SMITH Born: 17 Oct 1851 Place: <, Ritchie, Wv> 12 Mary P. :SMITH Born: 7 Oct 1867 Place: Smithville, Ritchie, WV Daniel SMITH Born: 1798 Place: N. C. Wife's Name Charlotte Born: 1799 Place: N.C. Children 1. Huston (Shute) SMITH Born: 26 Mar 1828 Place: Smith Co. Tn Died: 18 Aug 1912 Place: Buried: Place: Whitley Cemetery, Red Boiling Spgs, Macon Co., TN. 2. Henderson SMITH Born: < 1826 Place: Smith Co. Tn 3. Matilda SMITH Born: 15 Jan 1830 Place: Smith Co. Tn Died: 8 Jan 1869 Place: 4 Hensley SMITH Born: 1819 Place: Smith Co. Tn 5. Haywood SMITH Born: 1836 Place: Smith Co. Tn 6. Harlin SMITH Born: 1838 Place: Smith Co. Tn 7 Harrison SMITH Born: 1841 Place: Smith Co. Tn 8Martha SMITH Born: 1820 Place: Smith Co. Tn 9. Merena SMITH Born: < 1822 Place: Smith Co. Tn 10. Minerva SMITH Born: 1824 Place: Smith Co. Tn 11Milly SMITH Born: 1832 Place: Smith Co. Tn Penny Fraley Richardson

Thank you Nancy! Here is a true Ghost Story; and a good time to read it. BOO Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: <MIKNAN58@aol.com> To: <kywy@zoomnet.net> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] PERMISSION GRANTED TO USEIDEAOF SCAVEN... > Ramona, > In 1969 my family moved back to Webster Co. by family I mean my husband, 6 > kids, my self and our dog. We bought an old brick house in town. The first > night there, all the kids were sleeping, and the dog was laying next to our > bed. Everyone knows how quiet a small town can be. Jets don't even fly > over. As I said,we were laying in bed and all at once, on the wall next to > our bed, was this very loud bang! Sounded as if someone had taken their fist > and hit the wall as hard as they could! We jumped up, the kids woke up, and > the dog ran out of the room. We looked all around, but never found a mark on > the wall, or any reason for the sound. Through out the 2 years that we lived > in the house, there were many times things would happen. Lights turned on, > the faucet in the bathroom would start running. With all the kids in school, > and the dog outside, I could sit on the couch and hear the floor creak, as if > someone was walking through the house. And it wasn't the house settling > either. After a few months, my husband and I moved out bedroom to the front > of the house. When he was working out of state, I would have all the kids in > bed, dog outside, and when I went to bed something would always bump the foot > of my bed. With everything else the spirit was doing, this was the last draw > for me. My grandmother always said if you want to talk to a ghost, ask them > " In the name of the father, son, and holy ghost, what do you want." Well, I > didn't say that, but I got mad, told it how tired I was taking care of 6 kids > all day, trying to do all the things around the house, and I wanted them to > leave me alone! The bumping of my bed stopped! The other things continued > to happen, but at least I could sleep at night. Later we found out that the > lady that owned the house had died in the bedroom I was sleeping in. She had > always loved her house, and was very picky about it. I guess she just wanted > us to be sure we take care of it. My kids still talk about our haunted > house. As I said, I never believed in ghosts or spirits until this happened > to me. > Nancy > >

Here is what I found at the LDS library on Hiram Grills: Hiram Grills born abt 1831 Harlan Ky Film # 1985297 Hiram Grill md Sarah "Sally" Jones 1852 Harlan KY Film # 1985315 Hiram Grills s/o Hiram Grills & Sarah "Sally" Grills born abt 1862 Harland Ky Film # 1985326 Hiram W Grill md Ida Tracy 5-9-1880 Clinton Michigan Batch # M518353 Hope this helps. Could not find anything on the other names. Penny Fraley Richardson

Bobbi, I'm very sorry about you losses. I'm sure your friend knows how much she has always meant to you. God bless her and her family, and you. Dolores

Bobbie - My prayers are with all that are sorrowing tonight. I cannnot help but thinkof the words to a poem that my Aunt wrote at the death of her mother. May I share a portion of it with you., Let us not sorrow when death comes along T'would be better to sing a beautiful song. For they have gone on a happy adventure you see That is not yet permitted to you and to me. Grandma Fern

I will do what I can - be it here in GA (I am in Chatham Co, but next to Bryan and Effingham CO and beaufort Co, SC) or on the internet. I have a few books on Speedwell and Clearfork in TN and one on PoorFork in Harlan Co, KY. I do have some others on Harlan I can dig out as well as some form way back to England. Just let me know. Sandy Ramona wrote: > HI All, > Will anyone volunteer to help in the hunt for lost or missing ancestors. > If anyone will---please let me know. > Thank you, > Ramona

Hi Mary, That is a horrible memory---how stupid that Dr. was to have had so much "education". I wonder where his smart mouth led him in life. He must not have been taught there is always someone smarter, richer, faster, bigger, better-looking, well you know that old saying. That's an old saying that is so true! Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbdiggin@aol.com> To: <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] > I was born in WV and was called a hillbilly. Even when I went to KY which > was only 30 miles away, people laughed at the way I talked. Anyway, > northerners would alway say people from WV had one leg shorter than the other > from walking on the side of the hills. When I moved to Akron, OH from KY I > went to work in a hospital as a Surgical Secretary. There was a really hi > falutin Dr who thought he was better than anyone and he always made fun of > the way I talked. One day I gave him a message that he was to call his > office right now. He said, "Rat now, rat now, didn't they teach you how to > talk where you came from". I replied that I might not talk the way he > thought I should, but one thing I was taught that apparently he wasn't, that > it was not polite to put down other people. Needless to say I was not one of > his favorite people after that. > Mary > >

HI All, Will anyone volunteer to help in the hunt for lost or missing ancestors. If anyone will---please let me know. Thank you, Ramona

You boil apples down until they are thick, add a little sugar and cinnamon, and voila`. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Hankins <khankins@earthlink.net> To: KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 1:36 PM Subject: RE: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] biscuits >How is apple-butter made? > >Kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mbdiggin@aol.com [SMTP:Mbdiggin@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 1:39 AM >To: KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] biscuits > >My Grandma used to sometimes make drop biscuits in a skillet and they were >delicious. I liked them with butter and applebutter. We made our own apple >butter in a hugh black kettle outside with a fire built under it. It >smelled so good when it was cooking. >Mary >

Bobbie, Our arms reach out to hug you in your sorrow. Though hard to do, rejoice that they are in a painless, happier state where no one suffers and all there is is LOVE! Lynn -----Original Message----- From: Bobbie Lewallen <blallen@ccdi.net> To: KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 12, 1999 1:19 PM Subject: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] Request >Everyone, >I've enjoyed all the posts that I've had a chance to read so far. Would love >to comment on some of them, but I just haven't the time right now. I've a >busy day ahead of me, & one that I'm not looking forward to. I just had a >dear family friend die last week. Well, another one died Fri. morning & will >be at the funeral home tonight. >And I also have a very special request. My best friend during high school & >after is very sick. She had a 9 hour surgery last Sat. The diagnosis: Cancer >of the pancreas. I got a call yesterday evening. Her kidneys & liver have >shut down. Would you please remember her in prayer? She is in ICU, & I can't >get in to see her. I thought about telling a fib & saying that I was a >sister, but I would be taking time away from her children's precious time >with her. I hope to be able to get the chance to tell her how much she has >meant to me. If I don't, then I hope she knows already. Thanks to all to say >a prayer for her. >Bobbie >

Bobbie; You talked about what wonderful friends you are and have been for a long time. You know this dear friend knows how much you love her and care about her. I am sure your dear friendship is helping her more than you will ever know. Joann ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobbie Lewallen <blallen@ccdi.net> To: <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 2:18 PM Subject: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] Request > Everyone, > I've enjoyed all the posts that I've had a chance to read so far. Would love > to comment on some of them, but I just haven't the time right now. I've a > busy day ahead of me, & one that I'm not looking forward to. I just had a > dear family friend die last week. Well, another one died Fri. morning & will > be at the funeral home tonight. > And I also have a very special request. My best friend during high school & > after is very sick. She had a 9 hour surgery last Sat. The diagnosis: Cancer > of the pancreas. I got a call yesterday evening. Her kidneys & liver have > shut down. Would you please remember her in prayer? She is in ICU, & I can't > get in to see her. I thought about telling a fib & saying that I was a > sister, but I would be taking time away from her children's precious time > with her. I hope to be able to get the chance to tell her how much she has > meant to me. If I don't, then I hope she knows already. Thanks to all to say > a prayer for her. > Bobbie

Hi Kay, Sunday is check in with my Kentucky Kin Day. Is your Kin Amanda R. (Rice isn't it) Sturgill who married William E. McDavid? Then if this is right--we're Kin! They are all so excited about Grandfather Mason Journal back home. The family is thinking about Kin they haven't thought of in years. What a joy Grandfather Mason has left us. Sincerely, Ramona ----- Original Message ----- From: <KLMPIANO@aol.com> To: <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] Bean-stringing > Yep, we did! We may still find more connections... > > Kay > >

Mary; You are off the same line as Ramona. You have to go back up to Lewis' brother, Frances Sr. I am through his and Rebecca Hash's line. So we are still cousins, that is where our lines separate. Joann ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mbdiggin@aol.com> To: <KENTUCKY-LEGENDS-L@folklore.rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKY-LEGENDS AND FOLKLORE] KENTUCKY LEGENDS > Hi Joann, > I have Blackstone, Madison, & Sturgill. Blackston & Madison are part of my > Sturgill group. I am descended from Alvin Sturgill b. abt 1800 Grayson Co., > VA d. after 1880 Elliott Co., s/o Lewis Sturgill and Sarah Hanks. What do > you have? You can email me privately if you want. > > Mary > mbdiggin@aol.com