Ceal is a nickname for Cecilia. You can find the film numbers online for LDS. There are a few for the Catholic churches in the Covington Archdiocese. A lot of records were sent to Mother of God or St. Patrick's then filmed. On many of the baptism pages, you'll find information added about the marriages if the priest later received the information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Dwiggins" <[email protected]> > > To: "Paul Dwiggins" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [KY] KY Birth Index > > > I got mine for Kenton County from LDS. > > > ========== > Thanks Ceal, > I had ask at one place and the gal was new and said she wasn't sure. > I'll ask again. And thank you. > [ note: Ceal is unusual, is it a nik name? or shortened ? Mine is Thel. > Just wondering. :) ] > Thelma

I got mine for Kenton County from LDS. Ceal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Dwiggins" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 5:57 AM Subject: Fw: [KY] KY Birth Index > Ceal Wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ceal Wutka" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Church records are more complete, and the Catholic microfilms of their > > records I have seen included the birth date. > > > > Ceal > > > > Where and how do I go to view the catholic records? > Thanks, > Thelma in North Central Indiana > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >

After several years of searching for Bessie Turner, my paternal grandmother, the only significant things I ever learned was that she was b. 13-Oct-1864, supposedly in Tennessee, and that her mother's surname was Trabue. A very helpful newly discovered cousin has now informed me that a John TRABUE married an Elizabeth Atkinson, dates and places of their birth unknown. They had two daughters, Sylvia and Susan. Susan married Bailey P. Turner in 1858 in Logan Co., KY, the birth place of my father and grandfather. They had a daughter named Bessie, who seems to be my long sought for grandmother. A search of the 1850 Sumner Co., census showed John E. Turner, my GGGrandfather b. ca 1805, married to Rachael, b. ca 1812. Their children are Bailey, my GGrandfather, b. ca 1834, William, b. ca 1837, Jesse, b. ca 1839 and Mary, b. ca 1848. All were listed in District nine, all on Page 261, the only Turners on that page. I only wish this site had show which state the people were from. And the Sumner County marriage site showed that a John E. Turner married a Rachael Garret on 16-Apr-1832. So, everything on the Turners seems to fit. Can anyone fill me in on any details on the Trabues? As always, I'll be happy to share what I have. John Please e-mail [email protected]

The birth index is for births beginning around 1914 I think. The database doesn't seem to be up at the moment. I have used it before, but this wasn't officially released yet and it currently is asking for a password and username. There are some microfilms of birth records and I had one on Kenton County. But these are not complete and laws requiring the reporting were passed and repealed during the 1800's. Thus, the microfilm I had of Kenton County skipped from the 1870's to the early 1900's! Church records are more complete, and the Catholic microfilms of their records I have seen included the birth date. Ceal ----- Original Message ----- From: "tudemurdog" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: [KY] KY Birth Index > Hi All, > Doesn't Kentucky have a birth index as well as a death index? Does anyone know how to access it? Also, does anyone know how people in the military, that live on base, are counted on the census if they live on base? If they are in the US, are they included in the county where the base is located? Thanks for any input. > Judy > > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. >

To: "Paul Dwiggins" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [KY] KY Birth Index > I got mine for Kenton County from LDS. > > Ceal > > ========== Thanks Ceal, I had ask at one place and the gal was new and said she wasn't sure. I'll ask again. And thank you. [ note: Ceal is unusual, is it a nik name? or shortened ? Mine is Thel. Just wondering. :) ] Thelma

Ceal Wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ceal Wutka" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> > > Church records are more complete, and the Catholic microfilms of their > records I have seen included the birth date. > > Ceal > > Where and how do I go to view the catholic records? Thanks, Thelma in North Central Indiana

Hi All, Doesn't Kentucky have a birth index as well as a death index? Does anyone know how to access it? Also, does anyone know how people in the military, that live on base, are counted on the census if they live on base? If they are in the US, are they included in the county where the base is located? Thanks for any input. Judy

This is making the rounds of the lists, thought you might enjoy! THE CENSUS TAKER It was the first day of census, and all through the land The pollster was ready...a black book in hand He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride His book and some quills were tucked close by his side A long winding ride down a road barely there Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air The woman was tired, with lines on her face And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place She gave him some water...as they sat at the table And she answered his questions...the best she was able He asked of her children...Yes, she had quite a few The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed She noted each person who lived there with pride And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside He noted the sex, the color, the age The marks from the quill soon filled up the page At the number of children, she nodded her head And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead The places of birth she "never forgot" Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon...or not? They came from Scotland, of that she was clear But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here They spoke of employment, of schooling and such They could read some and write some...though really not much When the questions were answered, his job there was done So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear "May God bless you all for another ten years" Now picture a time warp...its' now you and me As we search for the people on our family tree We squint at the census and scroll down so slow As we search for that entry from long, long ago Could they only imagine on that long ago day That the entries they made would effect us this way? If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel And the searching that makes them so increasingly real We can hear if we listen the words they impart Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart Author Unknown --part1_a6.7217c5a.26a33c7c_boundary-- </XMP>

The Bluff, the Railroad and the Hobo To view this story please visit us at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kyhopkin/lore/hobos.html To view other stories about Hopkins County Folk Lore please visit: http://rootsweb.com/~kyhopkin/lore For comments to the author please e-mail me at: [email protected]

That works out with the information sent to me by Laura that she found an obituary of a person who was born and died in Bell County that mentioned Indian Head. It also fits with the fact that my granny and her family were from Hamilton County, TN. It would be a logical migration for her uncle-who was probably either involved with farming or coal mining. My grandparents were Arthur Ward Kelley and Ethel Coleman Kelley. Granny's mother was Sarah Penelope Jones. Family rumor is that she and her brother were adopted by their stepfather, Daniel Jones. It has been hinted that their father's name was Johnson. He would most likely have been from Rhea or Hamilton County, TN. I'll check this out further. Thanks to all. Isn't it great! I joined this list as soon as I got the letters and had my answers within 24 hours (maybe less had I checked my email sooner.) Guess I'll go join the Bell County list. Viva Rootsweb! Nancy -----Original Message----- From: tudemurdog [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 10:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KY] Indian Head To all interested, I looked up the name on the USGS again with just "INDIAN HEAD" and it came up with a lot of possibilities. There is one that is Indian Head Mountain and it is right on the KY/TN border. I'll bet that's a match. Check it out and tell me what you think. It's just a little southwest of Bell Co., KY. Judy ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

----- Original Message ----- From: tudemurdog To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: info Does anyone have any information about the Louisville Naval Ordinance Station? I think this might have been where my biological grandfather was stationed. Does anyone know how long it's been open? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Judy

NEWS FROM AROUND THE STATE KENTUCKY Typed as published >From THE ADAIR COUNTY NEWS JANUARY 5, 1898 EDITION Submitted By Laura Frost Wright A farmer down in Hart county where, by the way, all kinds of games abounds----had his farm posted. On a board was the lettering: " Dont shoot here or I"ll shoot you " But the hunters hunted and the farmer cussed. Patience gave out. Cussing did no good The next day another board was displayed. On it read: " Hunt all you please and when the bell rings, come to dinner. " The hunters still hunt but they are afraid to accept the old man"s invitation to dinner. The Frankfort lottery closed for good last Friday. this swindle was patronized principally by the poor people of louisville, and they should be thankful that the concern has been wiped out of existence. Hon. J.C. W. BECKHAM, of nelson County, was elected speaker of the house without opposition. Senator Goebel was President protem of the Senate. A caucus to nominate a candidate for librarian is called for this week. SEVENTY Telephones are now in operation in Elkton. The Kentucky merchants are up to their eyes in business. The New Castle Local has been bought by A.M. EDWARDS The Montgomery County turnpikes were made free January 1 The new Southern depot at Midway is almost ready for occupancy The Lebanon Telephone Company has extended its wires to Raywick. The post office at London, Ky was robbed of about $1,500 cash and stamps In the civil service examination for guagers at Lexington, 30 Republicans failed. The four year old child of Mr. THOS PARDUE, of Barren County, was killed by a runaway. Elder B.F. ROGERS, of Bardstown, has severed his connection with the Chrisitian Church at Litchfield. Expenditures of the penitentiary at Frankfort have exceeded the receipts by $22,000 in nineteen months. It is rumored that CHAS. PREWITT, of Mt. STERLING, who started for the Klondike gold region, was drowned in the Yukon. A young man named HALL, of Eddyville, shot himself in the heel near Water Valley. His leg was amputated, and death followed. Mr. C.T. DICKEY, a prominent young man of Barren County was married to Miss ALLIE PARISH, daughter of G.W. PARRISH, near Horse Cave. Hon. J.D. WATSON, of Graves County, who was a candidate for Clerk of Court of Appeals, will start a weekly Democratic newspaper in Mayfield. MARY WEST, of lexington, the 20 year old white girl who shot and killed WILLIAM WILDER in a Spruce street house ten days ago was tried by a jury and acquitted. A writer to the Salt River Tiger from West Point is agitating the question of forming a new county out of parts of Hardin, Jefferson, Bullit and Meade with West Point as the County Seat. CHARLES NELSON, Hardin county"s bright Representative-elect led the fight at the Fourth District teacher"s Association against the School Book Trust. He will lead the fight on this question at Frankfort this winter. Rev. J.J. RUCKER, editor of the kentucky Star, Georgetown, announces in the last issue of that paper, that its policy will be changed for the present from the advocacy of Party Prohibition to that of Local Option. It is reported that Judge T.R. McBEATH will be a candidate next time for Apellate Judge in the district now represented by Judge GUFFY. Judge McBEATH ranks as one of the bst Circuit Judges in the state and if the report is true he will be a very strong candidate. -- http://www.geocities.com/mamafrost/index.html A.n.d.e.r.s.o.n-B.o.w.l.e.s-B.u.n.c.h-B.l.a.c.k C.o.l.y.e.r-D.e.S.p.a.i.n-F.e.r.r.y-F.r.o.s.t G.r.a.h.a.m-B.u.r.t.o.n-J.a.s.p.e.r-H.u.c.k.a.b.y M.c.C.u.b.b.i.n.s -N.e.a.t-P.a.i.n.t.e.r-R.i.c.h.m.o.n.d R.e.x.r.o.a.t-B.o.l.e.n-Q.u.i.n.n-W.a.r.d-W.a.l.k.e.r W.r.i.g.h.t My biggest brick wall John Frost Born Clinton County Ky-1841 d. 1910 parents were William Frost & Rachael? What was Rachael"s maiden name? mailto:[email protected]

Looked on my atlas and found an Indian Mt. State Park right by Jellico, TN. We've got to be getting close. Judy

To all interested, I looked up the name on the USGS again with just "INDIAN HEAD" and it came up with a lot of possibilities. There is one that is Indian Head Mountain and it is right on the KY/TN border. I'll bet that's a match. Check it out and tell me what you think. It's just a little southwest of Bell Co., KY. Judy

Nancy, I also looked because the name sounds so famalier. I did find that it was a town at least in 1911, I found an obit where a Owen Lewis was born in Indian Head, Ky and also a Jewel Vanover. But couldn"t find no county name. The closet I could come was Bell county.as one of them married and died there. I hope someone knows because I am curious now. Laura tudemurdog wrote: > Nancy, > I looked on the USGS site, http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis , and they didn't have a listing for Indian Head, KY. You might try calling the Kentucky Archives and asking them about it. What are your grandparents names? Maybe that would help anyone looking out for info. > Judy > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ -- http://www.geocities.com/mamafrost/index.html http://www.egroups.com/group/russellcountyfriends A.n.d.e.r.s.o.n-B.o.w.l.e.s-B.u.n.c.h-B.l.a.c.k C.o.l.y.e.r-D.e.S.p.a.i.n-F.e.r.r.y-F.r.o.s.t G.r.a.h.a.m-B.u.r.t.o.n-J.a.s.p.e.r-H.u.c.k.a.b.y M.c.C.u.b.b.i.n.s -N.e.a.t-P.a.i.n.t.e.r-R.i.c.h.m.o.n.d R.e.x.r.o.a.t-B.o.l.e.n-Q.u.i.n.n-W.a.r.d-W.a.l.k.e.r W.r.i.g.h.t My biggest brick wall DANIEL FERRY -B-1836 Clairborne County Tenn D-1904-Russell County, Ky married to 1886-White county , Tenn REBECCA WRIGHT-b-abt. 1850 D-1933-Russell County, Ky Who were their parents? mailto:[email protected]

Nancy, I looked on the USGS site, http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis , and they didn't have a listing for Indian Head, KY. You might try calling the Kentucky Archives and asking them about it. What are your grandparents names? Maybe that would help anyone looking out for info. Judy

Need parentage of Nancy W McWilliams, who married George Nutterfield, > 6-24-1803, in Shelby Co., Ky. I Have her Name as Nancy Steppe Williams from > family papers of Son Goalson Nutterfield, and the record shows Nancy > W.McWilliams. Which is right?(What does the W stand for?) Also, a Nancy > McWilliams is shown marrying Andrew Black 4-2-1801, and a Robert Simonton > 8-25-1802... Are these 2 different women, or are they all, one and the same. > Also, need parentage for George Nutterfield. > > Dick Carter > [email protected] Dick Carter [email protected]

On the 1810 Ky Census, there was one John Carter listed in each of the listed counties. These were the only John Carters in Ky in 1810. One of them had at least 2 sons, John and JOB, who was "deaf and dumb". Does anyone have any information of such a combination John, with sons John and a Deaf JOB? Any information appreciated. JOHN ADR 6 JOHN BOO 58 JOHN BOU 78 JOHN BRA 141 JOHN CUM 181 JOHN HOP 371 JOHN LIN 112 JOHN LOG 177 JOHN MON 382 JOHN NEL 19 JOHN OHI 83 JOHN RCK 162 JOHN WOO 397 JOHN F. OHI 102 JOHN F. WOO 395 Dick Carter [email protected]

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I have recently been given a collection of letters written by my grandfather to my grandmother in 1923. They were found in their original envelopes addressed to her in care of John Jones in Indian Head, KY. So far, I have not been able to locate Indian Head using either my road atlas or online maps. I would like to locate descendants of John Jones who was her uncle. I am hoping they will be able to shed some light on the identify of his father (and hence my gggrandfather.) Can anyone help? Thank you, Nancy Custer