Is there anyone on the list that can tell me the whereabouts of Kenneth Fee who grew up on Red Bird Mission in the 1940's. Bell County Joyce Gaston Reece

Here is a description I found of the location: Easley Cemetery Shelby Go to Harrisonville. Just before entering the town from the west turn right into the farm owned by Thomas Lewis. Follow gravel farm road for 600 ft. Cemetery in a grove of trees about 30 ft. south of this point. Copied July 9, 1978. for more: http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymercer/Locator/locatore.htm RC

Is there any possibility this could be the Victoria JAMES shown in Cooke County Texas in 1880? Parents: John and Elizabeth. RC

Is someone able to provide info on James M. LEWIS' parents, brothers, sisters? James was a physician, born Oct 1810 in Kentucky, died Jun 1888 in Iowa. He married Hester WILLIAMS of Tennessee and had at least one child, Charles H., in Kentucky before leaving in 1835. There is a possibility that James M. could be the son of John W. LEWIS and Nancy HEATH who had 10 children. There is plenty of info on all the children except James which reads only "Born ABT 1810". This lack of details could be because he moved to Iowa in 1835. Can someone make a connection of James to John W. or some other connection? Thanks for any help you can find. RC Nicholson in Texas (formerly from Iowa)

Does anyone know of an "Easley Cemetery" in Shelby Co., perhaps in the Mt. Eden area? I am driving through KY later this week and haven't got the information with me. I'd like to visit, but don't know how to find it. Thanks, Judy

The Hillsborough Historical Society and the Orange County Historical Museum are proud to sponsor a conference entitled, "Following Their Trail: Orange County Family Migrations." The conference takes place on July 19 and 20, 2003, in Hillsborough, North Carolina. This two-day conference features historical lectures on the major periods of migration in the county's history. Genealogy workshops will be offered. In addition, there will be a guided tour of Historic Hillsborough and a hike along the great Trading Path, which led families out of Orange County. The cost of the conference is $30 for both days. For more information and a registration form, visit the "Following Their Trail" web site: www.historichillsborough.org/migration.

Hello Fellow Researchers: I had the unique opportunity to attend the Utah Valley Chapter, UGA (Utah Genealogical Association) meeting of 13 Jun that was hosted by Tom Stockham, President and CEO of MyFamily.com, Inc. Although I went in fully armed with questions & complaints I had gathered in from �the field�, I soon found myself wanting to encourage rather than attack. You may have heard the expression of trying to take a drink from a fire hydrant � that about describes my feelings about MyFamily attempting to take on the Goliath appetite of the genealogical world. The company that exists today is young, aggressive & healthy. Beyond that, they love what they do (computers and genealogy) and are energetically committed. I was impressed. It is appropriate that we accept that �growing pains� are part of the acquisition & merger processes. MyFamily.com owns Ancestry.com, Rootsweb.com plus have recently merged with Genealogy.com. Look for great things; but realize also that the company (I don�t ! know this) probably relies on resources stemming from subscriptions. Not too involved in how this will all shake loose but I am expecting it will be good. ~ Sheila Gibson ~ SpiritHawk ~

Please Note that my new e-mail address is: stnoblex1@msn.com. Many thanks, Sam Noble

In a message dated 6/14/2003 12:25:48 AM Central Daylight Time, pansy.rumsey@verizon.net writes: > About charging for information. I some instances I can see it. But most of > > what some sites have is what they have "harvest" from those of us who had > > freely sent in to USGen Web and other places. Then they take that and put > it > > in CD''s and charge others what we shared freely. You are right. I don't either but you have to check which company you are talking about. Here as an example: This is from the Genealogy.com policy page: D. You acknowledge and agree that you shall receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for any Submission and that Submissions that are input, uploaded, or posted by you to the Sites may become part of a database that is owned exclusively by MyFamily.com, Inc., and that may be reproduced by MyFamily.com, Inc. in any format, in whole or in part, including without limitation in an electronic storage format, such as CD-ROM or DVD or an online subscription, for distribution, sale, or any other purpose, throughout the world. They told people up front that they were going to use the submitted data and sell that data on CD. It is just that lots of folks didn't read the policy before choosing to use that service. Now.... look at the Ancestry.com policy: User provided content Portions of the Service will contain user provided content, to which you may contribute appropriate content. For this content, Ancestry is a distributor only. By submitting content to Ancestry, you grant MyFamily.com, Inc., the corporate host of the Service, a limited license to the content to use, host, distribute that Content and allow hosting and distribution on co-branded Services of that Content. They have the rights for that distribution only but they do not claim rights to resell the data. Ancestry.com isn't the company that sold data on CD - Genealogy.com was. And... then there are some other companies out there that sell you a subscription to online data and you find that all you get are pages of links to what is in essence the USGenWeb sites or other free sites. Those companies are pure scam and do attempt to exploit data that has been placed out there for free access. As for the subscription databases on Ancestry.com if you scroll to the bottom of the first page of each of those databases you will find the source for that database. Normally those sources are published sources that Ancestry has then purchased the rights to distribute via a database. They are not the same information that appears on the USGenWeb sites. I can't comment on the sources for the data on Genealogy.com sites because I don't happen to be a paid subscriber of that service. But I would imagine that they would provide that information as well. Point is - before you subscribe to anything service read the terms of service carefully. That way you will feel more comfortable and not be surprised at a later date. Take care - Emma

Total agreement with you! Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Lloyd" <llloyd2@satx.rr.com> To: <KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: [KY] charging for information > > About charging for information. I some instances I can see it. But most of > what some sites have is what they have "harvest" from those of us who had > freely sent in to USGen Web and other places. Then they take that and put it > in CD''s and charge others what we shared freely. - > But people have an option where or not to buy, and some people just don't > have the money to spend on that . Our children our grown, but if you have > children in school there is always needs, and there are many people out of > work etc. I think it would be a hardship on many if most sites began > charging , but that is just my opinion. > Nancy > > > ==== KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > The Registry -- NEW -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ > Help defeat spam > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello, I think there is a misunderstanding of what it is MyFamily.com is going to begin charging for. They simply are going to begin charging those of us who have made PRIVATE sites on their servers. They are not increasing any charges (that I know of) for any of their commercial material, like census, etc. Myfamily.com has nothing to do with any information or pictures up on my sites, I just use their servers. I think their previous offer of FREE space was generous. I have two sites, myself. One is free, the other I opted pay for so I could have more space. Both sites are private, meaning you must have a password and username to get on. Who I invite is up to me and the other members of the site. No one visiting my sites has to pay anything. The free site was only for immediate family, I put it up when my son was deployed overseas as I knew that was one way we could communicate because he had access to computers and I was VERY happy to be able to use this site in this way and would have gladly paid for it, but I didn't need a larger site than the free space allotted by Myfamily.com. The site I pay for is for Taylor researchers from the area of Pulaski/Whitely/ and McCreary Co KY. The small yearly fee that I paid for this site is nothing compared to the information that has been shared and the pictures that I've been able to view that were posted by other researchers. I do think that they are taking somewhat of a bum rap by some people here. Happy Searching, Valorie Taylor Spence --------------------------------------------------- War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill ~ (1868)

Could I just please put in a couple of words on this topic. Folks who have started doing genealogy since the advent of the computer age really don't realize how things used to be. This idea of "free" genealogy is new and if you stop to think about it the word "free" isn't really accurate. First of all... let's go back to 1968 when I started doing genealogy. If you were lucky to live near a large library with a good genealogy collection then you had access to that collection. If not then you had to order documents and rent census on microfilm and purchase the books yourself. It averaged around $3.00 per roll of microfilm which if you were lucky might have all of the county you were interested in. Often it didn't and to see the whole county you had to rent 2 or 3 rolls of film. This was especially true with the later census as the population grew. And.. then you got to keep that film for 3 weeks and then it had to be returned. Which meant that if you discovered later that you needed to check for other families in that same county you had to rent the film again. Documents cost, in some cases you had to pay for the search even when the document wasn't located. Making copies at your local library or post office to share with others added to the expense as did the postage. Now... we are fortunate to have this wonderful technology that allows us to share information in such an easier way. But.... that "free" data that we all enjoy isn't really free. Those census records that are transcribed and on line. Those transcribers had to purchase the film themselves and then do all that work to put that information there. Those cemetery records that are there for all of us to use. Those transcribers had to use their gas, office supplies, their computer, had to purchase the software to create the databases, etc. So all that "data" out there on the various pages like USGenWeb is there because someone else was willing to use their money and their time and their expertise to provide that data for us to use. And then look at the mechanism for sharing itself. It takes money to keep all these networks working. That data takes up space - storage space on drives that aren't exactly cheap. The software required to manage all these intricate systems is costly. The skill and knowledge necessary to run and maintain these networks costs money. The servers to run all this network are costly. This is not a "cheap" technology. Where in heavens name do all of us think the money to support all of this and keep it available is going to come from? Now.. let's talk a bit about the commercial companies. First of all, that is what they are - a business. They are in the genealogy business. We don't expect gas stations to give us free gas. We don't expect grocery stores to give us free food. After all, they are businesses. Why do we expect genealogy companies to provide free access? I see a lot of criticism of Ancestry on various lists. But the last time I renewed my subscription for the base subscription and the census records I figured it cost me an average of about $14.00 per month. For $14.00 a month I could rent just less than 5 rolls of microfilm. Each time I drive in to the Dallas Library I spend money on gas, usually some food, and pay $2.00 to park. $14.00 won't get me very many visits each month. Not to mention the time involved in getting there and returning. Now... I'm not saying that Ancestry is perfect. Nor am I saying that about any other company out there. But... neither is my cable company or my phone company or my dry cleaners. But we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that all these entities are companies. I think this idea of "free" access to genealogy is wonderful. I am so grateful to all those who are willing to work and offer that information for others to use. But I think we also have to separate in our minds the commercial companies and the USGenWeb efforts. I also think that we have to develop some realism about this concept of "free" access to genealogy data and realize that somewhere, somehow, someone is paying the bill. Thanks for listening - Emma In a message dated 6/13/2003 8:00:20 PM Central Daylight Time, CM7153@aol.com writes: > I think that it is terrible that they keep charging and charging for > information that alot of is what they have gotten free. Ancestry is > outrageous and > then Myfamily wants more? It is not going to be affordable for anyone to do > genealogy if this keeps up. > > Charlotte > > >

Sandy, Sorry, guess I mixed you up with Pat in Tucson! Yes, when you do all that work on the GRAHAMS, please let the rest of us know! Talk about "brick walls"! I'm filing your info about your Lena / Leah (?) along with several other "possibles". Thanks, Velma

I think that it is terrible that they keep charging and charging for information that alot of is what they have gotten free. Ancestry is outrageous and then Myfamily wants more? It is not going to be affordable for anyone to do genealogy if this keeps up. Charlotte

By the way, Sandy, I agree with you, Pat and others about the MyFamily announcement. Velma

Sandy in Tucson: I have a James F. GRAHAM b. Ky. 1831 to James Newton GRAHAM and Sarah FORTENBERRY. All I know about the parents: Sarah was born in S.C. about 1804. Just wondered if your Lena GRAHAM could be connected to mine. Thank you. Velma

Charlotte I don't know what you call "free", they have to buy books, or census film, newspapers, or whatever, transcribe the data or scan the pages, develop a database for the above, enter the information, AND, make it searchable. On top of that, they have to pay, probably, royalties to the copyright holders, where there are such. On top of that, they have to pay for servers, people to staff the servers, and all the infrastructure that goes to making it work. Now, if you mean by "free" those GEDCOMs and charts that individuals put up? Probably they (a) don't charge? I know there are both "free" and "pay" sites that have the "myfamily" genealogy charts posted by people like you and me. The "free" rootsweb? It is sponsored by these people because a few years ago, when it was sponsored by various colleges and libraries and individuals, it became a serious and expensive problem for the sponsors. And, it wasn't "free" then. Just someone other than "us" was paying for it. As my mother used to say, "there's no such thing as a free lunch, it's just a matter of who picks up the check." She was always wanting me to pick up my own check. So I do. Since I told you all that I don't golf, let me use that analogy. People here in Tucson want really cheap greens fees, have the grass watered, etc., without shelling out much money. Guess who then pays the bill. You got it! It is me, sitting here in my chair, glued to the computer for the next episode in the genealogy saga. And, BTW, what they are going to charge for is people who have their own (previously hosted by Ancestry, I guess) mini-websites. Since I've been paying for quite awhile for a web-site that is 98 megs more than I need, I guess it was really ME who was underwriting this "free" offer. Pat (who really is in Tucson, where it's a dry heat [100 today], and loving it.) -----Original Message----- From: CM7153@aol.com [mailto:CM7153@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 17:59 To: KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KY] What won't they think of next? I think that it is terrible that they keep charging and charging for information that alot of is what they have gotten free. Ancestry is outrageous and then Myfamily wants more? It is not going to be affordable for anyone to do genealogy if this keeps up. Charlotte ==== KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== The Registry -- NEW -- http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ Help defeat spam ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

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I am sorry there is some confusion, I am not in Tucson, Would love to be as my sister-in-law lives there and I miss her but I am in Washington. All I have on Lena GRAHAM: ( before her marriage circa 1833 - 34, no record to Riley HOLDMAN b. 1810, TN in earlier census and in later KY) is that per 1880 census, her father was born in Ireland mother born in Virginia. However every census shows her being born in Kentucky. But her name changes every census. From Lena to Leah, Lear to Leen and Leigh, mostly Lena though and on her son's death certificate it is my understanding her name is listed as Loyer GRABER/GRAHAM. Odd? Now I would say that our families are NOT connected BUT I would not be surprised if they actually WERE. After 3 days of constant GRAHAM research I have decided that the GRAHAM family had many connections all over. Have found similar names looked them up even being in LA and WA and just all over, KY VA, and mainly MO and the neighbors seem too have the same surnames and boarders too. What I am trying to say is that when researching GRAHAM there were SO MANY side roads to take and I would end up getting lost. I am thinking but this could take a while that maybe I would just enter every name I found in census into a gedcom and see if the computer could match everyone up at least I could make a report. Sandy http://www.geocities.com/scarletgen/index.html Grant County, WI Biographies ~ County Coordinator http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~scarletgen/index.html Scarletgen's Elusive SCOTT Family http://www.rootssearch.net/mygensite/sscarletgen/ Searching for the Ancestry of John ATTEBERRY ----- Original Message ----- From: Vrgfdonna@aol.com Date: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:16 pm Subject: [KY] GRAHAM > Sandy in Tucson: > I have a James F. GRAHAM b. Ky. 1831 to James Newton GRAHAM and > Sarah > FORTENBERRY. All I know about the parents: Sarah was born in > S.C. about 1804. > Just wondered if your Lena GRAHAM could be connected to mine. > Thank you. > Velma > > > ==== KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== > The Registry -- NEW -- > http://www.rootsweb.com/~archreg/ > Help defeat spam > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

As a professional genealogist specializing in work at the Library of Virginia, I know the importance of online sources to help us throughout the country. I agree with Pat and Jim and would be willing to ante up for the cause. Frank