Clara, I'm glad I was able to help. Have one of my "Food for Thought" things, however ... You said that your Mathias MUELLER/MILLER was probably a Catholic. When we moved here (Effingham, IL.) over 20 years ago, we found mostly German Catholics who lived here. My grandmother (will be 97 this year), and knows a good deal about religion (Sunday School teacher for 20 years, etc.) was amazed when she learned that the Germans here were Catholic. She said that normally she had always found where (at least in her younger days) that they were ALWAYS LUTHERAN. She was quite adamant about it. I never questioned her, but have always wondered about this. Maybe someone else on the List will know more. In the same WASHINGTON CO. SPECIAL (#1) by Naomi Keith Sexton, under CHURCHES (pg. 8) . . . LUTHERAN CHURCH "Among the early emigrants to this county there were a number of Germans who were members of the Lutheran Church." Then, she goes on to talk about the organizations of the Lutherans, but how due to other churches coming in, and their revivals which succeeded in enrolling many of the Lutherans under their banners, the few who remained faithful to the church, seeing that an organization could no longer be maintained, sold the property, and that was the end of the church in Washington Co. She gave no date when this happened. I know how difficult it is to research Germans in Washington Co, as there didn't seem to be many there. My ancestor, Aaron N. ZIGLER, a German, was in Washington Co. (md: Barbary Ann PAVEY, 1856 there.) I can find absolutely nothing else about him! I remember seeing something somewhere (have to check my notes) that a Zigler did marry a Miller, early, in that part of Indiana. Have you ever come across the ZIGLER name in your research of the MILLER's? Hope I didn't confuse you on the Catholic - Lutheran topic. Marsha McWilliams