Kathy; My Grandfather Benjamin Harrison Coatney was many things one of them being a photographer in the late 1800's, early 1900's. From the collection of pictures he left me it appears he had a studio (probably portable) and also took his camera on the road. I am not sure how he was paid for his services but it certainly did not make him a wealthy man. My Grandfather moved with his wife and children from southern Indiana to Arkansas in the 1880's. He returned to Indiana in the late 1990's. My father told me the story of his return. It seems that my grandfather left Arkansas in somewhat of a hurry. He somehow received word that the sheriff was after him for committing the crime of taking pictures on a Sunday. Of interest a lot of the pictures he took had his name printed below the pictures mounted on pressed cardboard. In my search of his journeys I have made contact with descendents of some of his customers who still have the pictures he took with his name printed on them. Don Coatney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Latshaw" <kathyl@sssnet.com> To: <KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > I've recently been blessed in receiving old family photos from new cousin connections. Have often wondered.....some of these families were obviously so poor yet they somehow managed to have a family photo taken. Is there any history out there on how this was done? Were there traveling photographers/salesmen types? Perhaps a barter deal? Any thoughts on this? > > Kathy > Kentucky Couch Kin > http://swapasource.com > > > ==== KENTUCKIANA Mailing List ==== > Kentuckiana area for KY - Counties of Breckinridge, Bullitt, Carroll, Hardin, Jefferson, Meade, Nelson, Oldham, Shelby, Spencer, Trimble. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 12/28/04 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/04

mdunlap@consolidated.net writes: > Many years ago there was a world-renowned photography college here, and > their students were taught how to become very adept with the use of an air > brush and charcoal. They took photographs of people in their regular > every-day clothes and then added the "finery" to the picture using the air > brush and charcoal. They also completely re-did people's hair styles! We > have a picture of my husband's grandfather in Tennessee with a fine jacket > on--but when you looked beneath his beard you could see there was no tie and > his shirt was "homespun". That same picture shows him with really > fake-looking hair--baldness ran in the family, and no doubt he didn't have > much hair, so they tried to fix that! The photographer who made negatives > and prints of some of our old family pictures was married to a much older > man who had been a student at that college. He had shown her how to > identify these pictures and how they were re-worked, and it was she who > could spot those little details. > Marian > Thanks goodness this one has been handed down in the family so we know it's a relative, just don't have onyone left alive that positively can identify him. But that's a really valuable tip, Marian. Especially if someone finds a group of photos that they didn't know existed, such as online. JA >> I have a tintype (or something similar) of an ancestor in one of those suit coats that has a velvet-looking collar to it. We think we know who the relative is, but wanted to pin down the time period using the coat. It fits him fairly well, so it didn't necessarily belong to the photographer. I found a site online that dealt with historical clothing, more for the use of theatrical costuming than anything. The site editor was nice enough to take a look at my photo and told me that the coat was of the era we thought, but that the young man seemed to be wearing the coat without a proper shirt collar or tie! I'm not sure how he took it when I told him that the coat was probably handed down from a relative and most likely was the only piece of the outfit he owned. This would have been after the typhoid of the 1850's, followed by the Civil War in the 1860's. He probably felt very much the gentleman in his finery, and lucky to have it at that. JA >>

Many years ago there was a world-renowned photography college here, and their students were taught how to become very adept with the use of an air brush and charcoal. They took photographs of people in their regular every-day clothes and then added the "finery" to the picture using the air brush and charcoal. They also completely re-did people's hair styles! We have a picture of my husband's grandfather in Tennessee with a fine jacket on--but when you looked beneath his beard you could see there was no tie and his shirt was "homespun". That same picture shows him with really fake-looking hair--baldness ran in the family, and no doubt he didn't have much hair, so they tried to fix that! The photographer who made negatives and prints of some of our old family pictures was married to a much older man who had been a student at that college. He had shown her how to identify these pictures and how they were re-worked, and it was she who could spot those little details. Marian ----- Original Message ----- From: <Acltk2@aol.com> To: <KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > >>Thinking maybe these families even paid the photographer with food or other > goods. Can't imagine they could spare a dime if they even had it for a > family photo. > >> > > > I have a tintype (or something similar) of an ancestor in one of those suit > coats that has a velvet-looking collar to it. We think we know who the > relative is, but wanted to pin down the time period using the coat. It fits him > fairly well, so it didn't necessarily belong to the photographer. > > I found a site online that dealt with historical clothing, more for the use > of theatrical costuming than anything. The site editor was nice enough to take > a look at my photo and told me that the coat was of the era we thought, but > that the young man seemed to be wearing the coat without a proper shirt collar > or tie! > > I'm not sure how he took it when I told him that the coat was probably handed > down from a relative and most likely was the only piece of the outfit he > owned. This would have been after the typhoid of the 1850's, followed by the > Civil War in the 1860's. He probably felt very much the gentleman in his finery, > and lucky to have it at that. > > JA > > > ==== KENTUCKIANA Mailing List ==== > To reach the list administrator go to: > pmount@nre.umass.edu > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

>>Thinking maybe these families even paid the photographer with food or other goods. Can't imagine they could spare a dime if they even had it for a family photo. >> I have a tintype (or something similar) of an ancestor in one of those suit coats that has a velvet-looking collar to it. We think we know who the relative is, but wanted to pin down the time period using the coat. It fits him fairly well, so it didn't necessarily belong to the photographer. I found a site online that dealt with historical clothing, more for the use of theatrical costuming than anything. The site editor was nice enough to take a look at my photo and told me that the coat was of the era we thought, but that the young man seemed to be wearing the coat without a proper shirt collar or tie! I'm not sure how he took it when I told him that the coat was probably handed down from a relative and most likely was the only piece of the outfit he owned. This would have been after the typhoid of the 1850's, followed by the Civil War in the 1860's. He probably felt very much the gentleman in his finery, and lucky to have it at that. JA

That's another thought :-) Looks like we need to hit "reply all" on these messages. I've been pasting KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com on the To: line. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda Miller" <rjmillerjr@erols.com> To: "Kathy Latshaw" <kathyl@sssnet.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > I have a photo of my great grandparents born 1861 and 1869. It includes all > of their children and grandchildren born at that time. My mother told me > someone in the family was a photographer at that time and that is how they > were able to have the picture made. This family consisted of 11 children > born to my gr grandparents and their spouses and grandchildren. > > I a picture on another line in my family and they were very poor. But, > asking around I found out a relative was a photographer. > > So, some of these pictures were the product of relatives wanting to take > pictures of their own families and maybe gave each a copy. > > I can believe anyone who became a photographer at that time would want to > preserve their family or simply take pictures as samples to show other > customers. > > Just a guess. Happy New Year to all > > Lynda Lane Miller > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Latshaw" <kathyl@sssnet.com> > To: <KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > > > > I've thought that too but have really not seen any discussion about it. > > Fortunate for us there was such a trade :-) One of several photos got me > > wondering about it. Look at the site below and scroll down near end. > > You'll see pic of Sophia Sandlin Couch and her children. She is widowed > > here and another on the way. Thinking maybe these families even paid the > > photographer with food or other goods. Can't imagine they could spare a > > dime if they even had it for a family photo. > > > > http://www.owsleykyhist.org/ > > > > Kathy > > Kentucky Couch Kin > > http://swapasource.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Canopy2@aol.com > > To: kathyl@sssnet.com > > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > > > > > > Kathy, my thought on the photos is that there had to be traveling > > photographers. I have old photos of some poor families standing out in > > front of an old unpainted house, with not a bush or a blade of grass in > > sight. They are all wearing simple house dresses, and the men are in pants > > with suspenders and their shirt sleeves rolled up. I bet they did not get > > to a town 2 or 3 times a year. This was in Texas and those towns were few > > and far between in the early 1900's. In the years before, when they were > > in GA, they had a big family studio portrait made, because they were > > closer to civiIization. I am sure someone saw the need for this > > occupation, and set out on the road with a camera. > > > > Pat Durham McRae > > > > > > ==== KENTUCKIANA Mailing List ==== > > > > Genealogy is supposed to be fun. Let's keep it that way! > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > >

Try that site again later. They seem to be having some trouble. It's Owsley County KY Historical Society. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "wildwind" <wildwind@bbtel.com> To: "Kathy Latshaw" <kathyl@sssnet.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > Kathy, > Your attached owsley url is not working. Have checked out your other pages > though. Nice work. > Thanks in advance for any RAOK.- Kenny > "Connecting Great Relatives-1 Person at a time" > > > All outbound mail is virus scanned for your protection > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Latshaw" <kathyl@sssnet.com> > To: <KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > > > > I've thought that too but have really not seen any discussion about it. > > Fortunate for us there was such a trade :-) One of several photos got me > > wondering about it. Look at the site below and scroll down near end. > > You'll see pic of Sophia Sandlin Couch and her children. She is widowed > > here and another on the way. Thinking maybe these families even paid the > > photographer with food or other goods. Can't imagine they could spare a > > dime if they even had it for a family photo. > > > > http://www.owsleykyhist.org/ > > > > Kathy > > Kentucky Couch Kin > > http://swapasource.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Canopy2@aol.com > > To: kathyl@sssnet.com > > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > > > > > > Kathy, my thought on the photos is that there had to be traveling > > photographers. I have old photos of some poor families standing out in > > front of an old unpainted house, with not a bush or a blade of grass in > > sight. They are all wearing simple house dresses, and the men are in pants > > with suspenders and their shirt sleeves rolled up. I bet they did not get > > to a town 2 or 3 times a year. This was in Texas and those towns were few > > and far between in the early 1900's. In the years before, when they were > > in GA, they had a big family studio portrait made, because they were > > closer to civiIization. I am sure someone saw the need for this > > occupation, and set out on the road with a camera. > > > > Pat Durham McRae > > > > > > ==== KENTUCKIANA Mailing List ==== > > > > Genealogy is supposed to be fun. Let's keep it that way! > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > >

Never thought about the neighbor children! Makes sense they would want to jump right in. Bet word would spread fast through the hills that a photographer was coming. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mo & Jenny Beams" <HIPPSTERS@webtv.net> To: "Kathy Latshaw" <kathyl@sssnet.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? > My grandparents told me there were traveling photographers that came by > every so often. They had several photos taken and some with just > neighbor children so if there are people in photos you don't recognize > maybe they were just friends of the family. Like in the late 1800's > early 1900's. > > " If GOD is for you, Who can be against you ?" > " Keep love in your heart and be happy !" > >

I've thought that too but have really not seen any discussion about it. Fortunate for us there was such a trade :-) One of several photos got me wondering about it. Look at the site below and scroll down near end. You'll see pic of Sophia Sandlin Couch and her children. She is widowed here and another on the way. Thinking maybe these families even paid the photographer with food or other goods. Can't imagine they could spare a dime if they even had it for a family photo. http://www.owsleykyhist.org/ Kathy Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Canopy2@aol.com To: kathyl@sssnet.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [KENTUCKIANA-L] photos...how did they do it? Kathy, my thought on the photos is that there had to be traveling photographers. I have old photos of some poor families standing out in front of an old unpainted house, with not a bush or a blade of grass in sight. They are all wearing simple house dresses, and the men are in pants with suspenders and their shirt sleeves rolled up. I bet they did not get to a town 2 or 3 times a year. This was in Texas and those towns were few and far between in the early 1900's. In the years before, when they were in GA, they had a big family studio portrait made, because they were closer to civiIization. I am sure someone saw the need for this occupation, and set out on the road with a camera. Pat Durham McRae

I've recently been blessed in receiving old family photos from new cousin connections. Have often wondered.....some of these families were obviously so poor yet they somehow managed to have a family photo taken. Is there any history out there on how this was done? Were there traveling photographers/salesmen types? Perhaps a barter deal? Any thoughts on this? Kathy Kentucky Couch Kin http://swapasource.com

As internet genealogy and family history have grown, the number of "first timers" joining our lists has diminished and we don't see the huge numbers of new users that we used to see after the holidays. However, starting tonight, Santa, among others, will still be delivering new computers, internet service, and genealogy gifts (software). Thus, we may be seeing some new "rooters" on our lists. This is GOOD! But while you may see new cousins, friends, and contacts coming on-line, joining email lists, posting surnames to databases, they will be asking all those questions you have seen posted over and over again. Unfortunate as it may be, new users mean we have to reinvent the wheel. *Grin* Please welcome any "newbies" to our lists, have PATIENCE with them, help them and hopefully send them in the right direction. For a month or so it will be helpful if we can refrain from using a lot of initials and abbreviations in our responses. When discussing the FHC, let's all take a couple of seconds to type "Family History Center," and give an explanation of who, what, where, when. Please don't assume that EVERYONE knows what it is, or has one near them. I can't stress enough how important your patience and help is for the next month or two. Mistakes will be made, (like posting a message that is blank, or no subject line, or leaving entire digests in replies or my personal favorite, "Researching John Johnson. Send all information"!*LOL*) Questions will be asked like "What is the FHC, what is the SSDI, what is, can you explain, where do I find, etc...Remember that these were once OUR errors and OUR questions. We were all new once, and many current subscribers are still learning, so let's continue the spirit of cooperation throughout the year. This list is about helping each other. Let's be specific and clear in our responses to folks, and give a little extra in explanations. Also keep in mind that new subscribers may know little about computers, the internet, and genealogy, resulting in many extremely inexperienced researchers. If you see questions on the list regarding computers, software, etc. please respond to these questions off list if at all possible. REMEMBER these new researchers may have file cabinets full of information regarding YOUR own family tree, so let's be as cordial, helpful and informative as we can be! Stay warm, drive safely and don't forget to unsubscribe if you're going to be gone for vacation without your computer or internet access. Happy Holidays! Pat Mount List Admin

Thought some of you might be interested in this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Boothe" <philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net> To: <OK-SCHOOLS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: [OK-SCHOOLS] New Arkansas Gen Chat List! I know that a lot of you really enjoy the occasional chats held at ArkansasFamilies.net, and I have been thinking that since we don't always have time for them, and since no time is convenient for everyone, that perhaps we should create a mailing list to make up for that. A place to share genealogy info, tips, hints, personal histories, anecdotes, and any information you may want to share. Discussing of all things Arkansas, from Arkansas surnames to Southern recipes, old stories, photos and folklore. And hopefully, a place to find lost relatives.....This is the next best thing to dropping by a cousins' for coffee! :o) Keep in mind, this list WILL accept attachments, (i.e. photos, documents, etc...) but the way the list will be set up, there is no chance of virus' making it through. If you are interested, drop me a line, off list, and I'll give you the information needed to join. Please, this is NOT a RootsWeb list, so make sure you reply OFF LIST. Send your replies to philsbarbie@cei.net Hope to see you all there! :o) Take care, Diana List Admin ==== OK-SCHOOLS Mailing List ==== USGS Mapping Information query form http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx

US Census, KY, Jefferson Co, Lewisville, 8th ward, 16 July, 1860, Pg 256, Line 24. Marshall Estes,age 31, Blacksmith, b. KY wife Eliza, age 23, b. KY daughter, Blanche, age 5, b. KY son, William, age 3, b. KY daudhter, Catherine, age 2/12, KY this family shows up in 1870 Census at Cross Roads Precint pg 272 & 273. Catherine is missing and Irene age 8, Elton age 5 and B.F. age 3 are added. I do not know if these persons are related to my Estes line as I do not have my detailed info with me. If you want to know contact me again in May 2005 at bao7@juno.com. Claude Osbourne (Hedges, Estes)

Looking for info. on parents of William Estes father Marshall Estes b.abt.1830 mother Anna Eliza Fleming Belived to be in the Jefferson co. Ky. area Thanks in advance Roy Estes

From the list you have provided, I would say that it is either the memorial folders or the service bulletin, which the obituary is also printed in. jl -----Original Message----- From: lbettis@sbcglobal.net [mailto:lbettis@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:59 AM To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: KENTUCKIANA-D Digest V04 #115 Here is a list of funeral home options for printing: prayer cards memorial folders register book Remembrances procession car list service bulletin acknowledgment cards laminated obituary clergy record I'd say they were memorial folders. Myra KENTUCKIANA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 KENTUCKIANA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 115 Today's Topics: #1 RE: Help ["John Logan" #2 Senate Bill 2845 [Pat Mount ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from KENTUCKIANA-D, send a message to KENTUCKIANA-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:25:35 -0500 From: "John Logan" To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Help They call them obituaries. -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Pursch [mailto:cpursch@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:44 PM To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Help Does anyone know what the official term is for the thing you get at a funeral that has all the information in it about the deceased individual? Thank you Cynthia ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:24:18 -0500 From: Pat Mount To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Senate Bill 2845 I received this notice this a.m. > ---Begin Message--- > > Senate Bill 2845 has passed the Senate without our suggested wording. One of > the provisions that did pass reads as follows: "ISSUANCE TO FAMILY MEMBERS- Not > later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the > Secretary,> in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the > States,> shall establish minimum standards for issuance of a birth certificate to > specific family members, their authorized representatives, and others who > demonstrate that the certificate is needed for the protection of the > requestor's > personal or property rights." > > Assuming we were not successful at getting our language in the bill, it looks > like our next shot is to get our language in the minimum standards, making it > clear that the States are free to issue non-certified copies to the public. > > You are free to forward this to other interested parties as you see fit. > > David E. Rencher > Chair, Record Preservation and Access Committee > Federation of Genealogical Societies and the National Genelaogical Society > Genealogy: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/burnaby/1077 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~swede/ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3008/ Elmore, Lawson, Lossen, Toll, Pruett, Prewitt, Swenson, Svensson, Bergstrom, Holtkamp, Bettis, Carman,Samuelson, Cannon, Carr, Jacks, Curnutt, Emmerich, McClellan, Agard, Dillon, etc.

Here is a list of funeral home options for printing: prayer cards memorial folders register book Remembrances procession car list service bulletin acknowledgment cards laminated obituary clergy record I'd say they were memorial folders. Myra KENTUCKIANA-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 KENTUCKIANA-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 115 Today's Topics: #1 RE: Help ["John Logan" #2 Senate Bill 2845 [Pat Mount ] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from KENTUCKIANA-D, send a message to KENTUCKIANA-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:25:35 -0500 From: "John Logan" To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Help They call them obituaries. -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Pursch [mailto:cpursch@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:44 PM To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Help Does anyone know what the official term is for the thing you get at a funeral that has all the information in it about the deceased individual? Thank you Cynthia ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:24:18 -0500 From: Pat Mount To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Senate Bill 2845 I received this notice this a.m. > ---Begin Message--- > > Senate Bill 2845 has passed the Senate without our suggested wording. One of > the provisions that did pass reads as follows: "ISSUANCE TO FAMILY MEMBERS- Not > later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the > Secretary,> in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the > States,> shall establish minimum standards for issuance of a birth certificate to > specific family members, their authorized representatives, and others who > demonstrate that the certificate is needed for the protection of the > requestor's > personal or property rights." > > Assuming we were not successful at getting our language in the bill, it looks > like our next shot is to get our language in the minimum standards, making it > clear that the States are free to issue non-certified copies to the public. > > You are free to forward this to other interested parties as you see fit. > > David E. Rencher > Chair, Record Preservation and Access Committee > Federation of Genealogical Societies and the National Genelaogical Society > Genealogy: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/burnaby/1077 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~swede/ http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3008/ Elmore, Lawson, Lossen, Toll, Pruett, Prewitt, Swenson, Svensson, Bergstrom, Holtkamp, Bettis, Carman,Samuelson, Cannon, Carr, Jacks, Curnutt, Emmerich, McClellan, Agard, Dillon, etc.

I received this notice this a.m. > ---Begin Message--- > > Senate Bill 2845 has passed the Senate without our suggested wording. One of > the provisions that did pass reads as follows: "ISSUANCE TO FAMILY MEMBERS- Not > later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the > Secretary,> in consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the > States,> shall establish minimum standards for issuance of a birth certificate to > specific family members, their authorized representatives, and others who > demonstrate that the certificate is needed for the protection of the > requestor's > personal or property rights." > > Assuming we were not successful at getting our language in the bill, it looks > like our next shot is to get our language in the minimum standards, making it > clear that the States are free to issue non-certified copies to the public. > > You are free to forward this to other interested parties as you see fit. > > David E. Rencher > Chair, Record Preservation and Access Committee > Federation of Genealogical Societies and the National Genelaogical Society >

They call them obituaries. -----Original Message----- From: Cynthia Pursch [mailto:cpursch@cox.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 7:44 PM To: KENTUCKIANA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Help Does anyone know what the official term is for the thing you get at a funeral that has all the information in it about the deceased individual? Thank you Cynthia

Anyone using FTM having problems with the World Family Tree Collection. When I attempt to search in this file it loads very slowly or not at all. And when you try to go back, the programs seems to lock up. Any help? WH

Does anyone know what the official term is for the thing you get at a funeral that has all the information in it about the deceased individual? Thank you Cynthia

Breaking my own rules, I felt this important enough to forward to the list! From Rootsweb Review today - New Bill Will Close Records to Genealogists HR10, which was mentioned in the 13 October issue of RootsWeb Review, has passed out of the U.S. House of Representatives and is now part of S.2845. The amendments suggested by David Rencher in his letter to the bill's sponsor, Congressman J. Dennis Hastert, were NOT incorporated into this legislation. Thus, the terms of HR10 will now be considered by the Senate, as part of S.2845. If S.2845 becomes law, as now written, family historians will face some real challenges in attempts to obtain birth records, even on long- deceased individuals. Specifically, what genealogists need to do is suggest to their lawmakers the addition of Sec. 3061(b)(1)(A)(iii) that would read: "who is alive on the date that access to their birth certificate is requested." This addition would clarify that the legislation (soon to be law) applies ONLY to birth certificates of CURRENTLY LIVING PERSONS. If you do not know your U.S. Senator's e-mail address, you can find it at http://www.senate.gov/ This bill can be found online at http://thomas.loc.gov/ Put in S.2845 (in the bill number window) and then select item No. 3; and go to Subtitle B--Identity Management Security; Chapter 2--Improved Security for Birth Certificates.