ANYONE WORKING ON THE FAMILY NAMES CONNECTED TO THE "MELUNGEONS", PEOPLE OF FREE,NON-WHITE" ANCESTRY...........NEVER SEEN AS LABELED "BLACK" ????? COMMON NAMES: GOWEN/GOIN/GOWENS, MOORE, BUNCH, BURCH, ROWLAND, GREEN, BERRY, BIRD, BYRD.......ETC..... I have no clue what the true ancestry is...even bought a book on Melungeons, but no one seems to have the real answer except they date back to early 1600's, and VA/NC Appalachia>>>TN/KY>>IN>>>> What is really odd is in some enumerations members of the same family can be labeled FCP "free persons of color' and others as "white"...........I also find as curious that many of the names are found in the Dawes Rolls (Cherokee)............... Michele

Hi: While reading your message, this part caught my attention: "CRECELIUS) located Minnie CRECELIUS" That surname stuck in my mind because I have been doing some heavy research in Crawford County, IN. I come across it all the time. A few weeks back, while at the local Family History Center, I was going through several microfilm rolls of "Families in Crawford County" (I'm sure that is not the exact name). Anyway, I came across copies of letters from an early settler who was from Germany. The letters were written to his brother and I think he was writing to him in Germany. They were written around the 1830's, I forget the man's first name, but I'm almost positive that the last name was Crecelius. The letters were very sad; he was writing describing how his wife could no longer walk due to illness in one. A later letter he describes the loss of his wife, and the fact that he feels that he will never see his brother again. It really brought home how hard it was (and is) for people to leave everything and start again, never to see loved ones again. Back to the original subject! You might look for Minnie in Crawford County or in surrounding counties in Indiana. Try posting on the Bulletin Board on Roots-Web for Crawford County regarding Crecelius. I came across a posting by an Ann Crecelius on that Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa. states.indiana.counties.crawford&m=11.922 Ancestry.com took over the Bulletin Boards-but they are free access. You do need to sign up with a password, but it just takes a moment. Let me know if this helps! Carole V. Beringer Surnames: BIRD, BROWN, BURROUGHS, CUMMINS,DENBO,GILLILAND, GREEN, GREGORY,GUY, HUNT, MILLER,PHILLIPS, REEDER, ROBERTS,ROLAND/ROWLAND, RUSHER, SAUNDERS,SEATON,SHARP,SLOAN, SMITH, STEVENS, SWEET, THORPE,TUCKER,WASSON In Italy: ANGELUCCI, DI VICCARO, VECCHIO

Hi KY rooters.....Couple more ?'s: a) using Ancestry.com subscriber service the other day I made new DAR discovery of my TALBOTT family from Nelson Co--seems my grandmother (Edna Hester (Talbott) Murphy's grandfather, Pendleton Talbott's wife, Margaret Nicholsen (wow) traces back to a supplier (John Unseld-1745-1810) of materials & arms to Revolutionary Army thus apparently qualifying applicant, Mrs Nancy (Talbott) O'Brien, for DAR membership (I realized she was my grandmother's Aunt). So, is the SAR membership based on parallel criteria, ie, does a mere supplier of arms & ammunition qualify one for the DAR/SAR organization? (I've had pleasure to visit SAR library in Louisville & was quite impressed). b) The Ancestry.com people have some 152 Lineage Books on line for scrutiny......I'm wondering how many more volumes might there be down to current times? I'm hoping many many more having had such good luck in locating several generations of my family that I'd not previously known. c) anyone actually visit DAR HDQ in Wn DC for research purposes? What outcome? Thanks a lot for any tips, suggestions. Charlie Murphy near Sattle.

Hi KY rooters.....Traced several branches of my greater family to Jefferson, Nelson, & Meade Co; (surnames MURPHY, TALBOTT, O'REILLY, HYATT, CHISM, POPHAM, THOMPSON & CRECELIUS) located Minnie CRECELIUS in SSDI having died Jan 1990 age 90 @ 40041 Masonic Home, Jefferson, KY. Have reason to believe she may be daughter of Hyatt E Murphy & wife Minnie (Popham) Murphy of Meade Co. What county might that Masonic Home be in, Meade or a nearby co? Does the facility still exist? Address? I do not know her husbands first name or if they had children. TIA for any suggestions. Charlie Murphy near Seattle.

Trying to find the unknow parents and siblings to the below person, Lena Keitner/Kettner or Lena Landreth. I am unsure if her maiden name was Kettner or Landreth at this time. One family member has it as Keitner/Kettner and on a document from the orphans home it shows her as a Landreth (dont know if that was a married last name or a maiden name). In my research I found the following: a) In the Register French Orphans home, it shows Ada May Scarbrough age 5, father James Scarbrough (dead) mother Lena Landreth, date admitted to orphans home Oct 4 1903 Gibson County Indiana, From township Patoka, date placed Oct 8 1904 , by mother lena Killian of Princeton...can't make out entire remarks ...."-- mother". b)Ada Mae Scarbrough was born in Pinceton, Gordon County (Gibson) Indiana. Her mother was Lena Kettner or Keitner. Mae was part Cherokee from her mothers side of the family. Mae told of being in a wagon during the Cherokee Strip Land Run. This would seem to indicate that she lived in Oklahoma at the time of their marriage. Mae and Orville divorced some years later and she married Ed Lea.Any help would be great. Angie 1. Mr. KETTNER married a lady of Cherokee Indian family line. Mae was part Cherokee from her mothers side of the family Children: 2 i. Lena Ann KETTNER (I have her being married to Landreth also based on the orphans register for her daughter in 1903. Research: John LANDRETH committed suicide by shooting,in 1891.) Second Generation 2. Lena Ann KETTNER/Landreth . Born About 1878. She first married Thomas or James SCARBROUGH. They had the following children: 3 i. Ada Mae SCARBROUGH She second married Mr. Landreth She third married Mr. KILLION. They had the following children: i. John KILLION; ii. Martha KILLION; She fourth married Sanford EOFF OR OFE. Third Generation 3. Ada Mae SCARBROUGH. Daughter of Thomas or James SCARBROUGH & Lena Ann KETTNER. Born Nov 18, 1898 in Princeton Gibson cty Indiana 49. Died Sep 3, 1964 in Lyons Kansas. Buried in Interment Springdale Cem. Chase Kansas. She first married Orville Franklin CREACY, son of James Madison CREASY/CREACY & Margaret Vernie TATE, 1920. Born Sep 11, 1896 in Lewis Cty Mo, St. Joseph. Died Jun 1, 1948 in Cleveland Oklahoma. Buried in Cleveland Oklahoma, Woodland Cemetery. Occupation W.P.A. in the Great Depression, See notes for more. During the Great Depression he worked for the W.P.A.. In San Fransciso he worked for Bethlehem Steel, he worked for a brickyard south of cleveland and was in WWII. They had the following children: 4 i. Wayne Eugene CREACY ii. Daniel Douglas CREACY; Born Feb 13, 1928. 5 iii. Orville J. CREACY 6 iv. Wanda Jean CREACY v. Robert Madison CREACY; Born Oct 15, 1922. Died Mar 3, 1924. It was said that when this baby boy died, a ball of fire circled the house at the time of his death..............an unexplained family legend. 7 vi. Violet Lafern CREACY She second married Ed LEA.

Can anyone out there do a look on the 1840 and 1850 Muhlenberg Co. census the my ggggrandfather and family: Stephen Duffee, wife Elizabeth Mills Duffee, son Moab Duffee. Maybe there are some of you Duffees out there. I seem to always be running into Duffy. Moab and wife Lucy and their 10 children went to southern Il. sometime around 1890. Any help appreciated Jan Patton [email protected]

Surname - PATRICK - KELLY I am looking for information on William K. Patrick born December 10, 1788, died March 18, 1859, in Cumberland County, Illinois married Martha Smith Kelly born June 3, 1795, married June 3, 1818, in Jeffersonville, Clark County, Indiana died March 20, 1860, in Bartholomew County, Indiana. Children are as follows: Robert Maxwell Patrick born April 16, 1820, in Indiana Thomas K. Patrick born March 4, 1822, in Indiana Samuel Columbus Patrick born February 3, 1824, in Indiana Peter Patrick born October 24, 1825, Clark County. Indiana Lawrence K. Patrick born October 5, 1827, in Indiana Martha E. Patrick born April 4, 1829, in Indiana William Patrick born October 29, 1833, in Indiana Thomas A. Patrick born February 19, 1836 in Indiana Nancy J. Patrick born January 24, 1840 in Indiana also a child named Indiana Patrick born November 10, 1849 which is questionable since so many years in between first born and Indiana. I hope someone can help me with this family Thank you, Rose Mary Patrick [email protected]

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Stephensberg is in Hardin County, KY.

The 1880 Fayette County census contains several of my families. The census place is listed as DOG FENNEL. I would like to know where it was located, what is there now and what churchs and cemeteries are located near by. Any help with this info will be greatly appreciated. BB

I would like to know what the date is of "Volume 22, No 4" of The Kentucky Genealogist. Thank You, Fern

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Since the "merge" I cannot find these. Do you know the new address where you have stored these census sheets> Sharon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I am searching for any paper trails that may have been left by the Thomas BALDWIN family of Nelson county KY. They resided in that area from about 1799- at least 1820. I looking for probate records,land records,wills,deeds,marriages, cemetery records, tax listings that just might pinpoint what may have become of Thomas BALDWIN b. about 1770 disappeared about 1820. Any help appreciated. Debbie [email protected] "Following the footprints through time" http://www.angelfire.com/in3/longagoandfaraway/index.html

With the assistance of another researcher, Pam Howard, I found my great great grandfather Louis Robinson and his wife, my great great grandmother, Mary Robinson... This looks like the only match or Lewis/Louis Robinson. I realize it is a long way from Hopkinsville. But it seems my ancestors moved a lot more than I imagined. Here it is: Census Place: Eminence, Henry, Kentucky Source: FHL Film 1254420 National Archives Film T9-0420 Page 24D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Lewis ROBINSON Self M M B 37 KY Occ: Labor In Flouer Mill Fa: KY Mo: KY Mary Ann ROBINSON Wife F M B 27 KY Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: KY Nora FORD Other F S MU 14 KY Occ: House Girl Fa: KY Mo: KY My question is this: Where is Henry County, Kentucky? Steve

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Hello All, I am looking for any information concerning the following DANIELS/DANIEL family members from Southern Indiana, Northern Kentucky and South West Ohio. The information that I have on William DANIELS/DANIEL being from Wales has been passed down from family member to family member. I am now questioning the truth to information passed down from generation to generation. I am now wondering if he would be from a DANIELS/DANIEL family line that had already been in the US for a generation or two. I have found very little official documentation on my DANIELS/DANIEL family. My Grandmother, Bonnie Bell DANIELS-STEIN told my mother that the store (building #5) http://www.connerprairie.org/bstore.html was the home that my Grandmother, Bonnie Bell DANIELS-STEIN was born in. My Grand Mother told my Mother that this home was built by my Great-Great Grand Father William DANIELS, Great Great Uncle William Henry Harrison DANIELS and Great Grand Father Bezaleel DANIELS some time between the mid to late 1800's on A farm that they had in Grassy Forks, Indiana. I have also been told that it was sold to the Melloncamp's and my Great Aunt Blanche DANIELS had to sign papers for it to be moved to Conner Prairie in Noblesville, Indiana. I would like to know if you can verify this information and have the our DANIELS family history associated with the home (store #5). Any information or help would be greatly appreciated. Have a Great Week! Looking forward to hearing from you! Thank You! 1. William DANIELS - was born in Wales, died on 23 May 1879 in Grassy Forks, Indiana and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. William DANIELS, with his family supposedly walked from Lexington, KY to Grassy Forks, Jackson County, Indiana. ABT. 1850-1860. He was a Blacksmith/Farmer. He and his family built a house in Grassy Forks, IN. The house is currently on display at Pioneer Village in Noblesville, IN. William married Elizabeth (Surname unknown) on an unknown date. (Elizabeth was born in Wales, and died on 29 December 1879 in Grassy Forks, Indiana and was buried in Russels Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Children from this marriage were: Bezaleel DANIELS was born in 1858 in Indiana, died in 1923 in Crothersville, Indiana and was buried in 1923 in Crothersville Cemetery, Grassy Forks township, Jackson County, Indiana. William Henry Harrison DANIELS was born in 1850 in Kentucky, died in 1918 and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Jane DANIELS was born about 1853 in Indiana. 2. Bezaleel DANIELS was born in 1858 in Indiana, died in 1923 in Crothersville, Indiana and was buried in 1923 in Crothersville Cemetery Vernon Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Other names for Bezaleel were Bez DANIELS, Bazil L. DANIELS. Bazaleel DANIELS supposedly walked with his father William DANIELS, mother Elizabeth (Surname Unknown), brother William Henry Harrison DANIELS and sister Jane DANIELS ABT. 1850-1860 from Lexington, KY to Grassy Forks, Jackson County, Indiana. Bazaleel DANIELS helped his sister Jane DANIELS with her children. Bazaleel married Adle Belle HAMMOND on 22 July 1894 in Jackson County Indiana. Adle Belle HAMMOND was born 01 January 1876 in Ownington, Kentucky, died on 24 February 1902 in Grassy Forks, Indiana and was buried in 1902 in Crothersville Cemetery, Vernon Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Children from this marriage were: Bonnie Bell DANIELS was born on 30 April 1895 in Grassy Forks, Indiana, died in June 1979 in Seymour, Indiana and was buried in Riverview Cemetery Seymour, Indiana. Emmet DANIELS was born abt 1879. William Dewey Daniels was born abt 1898. Evrett DANIELS was abt 1900. Gilbert Wayne DANIELS was born abt 1902. Bazaleel next married Lillie G. McMACPEAK on 28 March 1904 in Jackson County Indiana. Lillie G. McMACPEAK was born in 1876, died in 1955 in Seymour, Indiana and was buried in Crothersville Cemetery, Vernon Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Children from this marriage were: Charles DANIELS was born in 1906 in Crothersville, Indiana, died in Rosemead, California and was buried in California. Living. 3. William Henry Harrison DANIELS was born in 1850 in Kentucky, died in 1918 and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. William Henry Harrison DANIELS supposedly walked with his father William DANIELS, mother Elizabeth (Surname Unknown), brother Bazaleel DANIELS and sister Jane DANIELS abt. 1850-1860 from Lexington, KY to Grassy Forks, Jackson County, Indiana. William married Julia Ann BIGGS on 28 May 1871 in Jackson County, Indiana. (Julia Ann BIGGS was born in 1851m died on 28 February 1901 and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks township, Jackson County, Indiana. William Henry Harrison DANIELS, was to have also migrated by covered wagon from Grassy Forks, Jackson County, Indiana to Anadarko, Caddo County, Oklahoma abt. 1903. Migrating with his daughters Blanche, Kate and one other daughter (Name Unknown) after the death of his wife Julia An BIGGS, died 28 February 1901. Lee DANIELS was to have stayed behind and taught College/School in Brownstown, Jackson, Indiana. Children from this marriage were: Lee DANIELS Blanche DANIELS Edward DANIELS was born 1873, died in 1873 and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Ira DANIELS was born in 1875, died in 1875 and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. E. Valine DANIELS was born in 1883, died in 1884 and was buried in Russells Chapel Cemetery, Grassy Forks Township, Jackson County, Indiana. Kate DANIELS 4. Jane DANIELS was born abt. 1853 in Indiana. Jane supposedly walked with her father William DANIELS, mother Elizabeth (Surname Unknown), brothers Bezaleel DANIELS and William Henry Harrison DANIELS abt. 1850-1860 from Lexington, KY to Grassy Forks, Jackson County, Indiana. Jane supposedly had 5 children - Lula, Rose, Joseph, (Name Unknown), (Name Unknown). Jane DANIELS brother Bazaleel DANIELS helped her with her children. Jane DANIELS did a lot of traveling in her day. Supposedly she traveled back and forth from Grassy Forks, Jackson County, Indiana to Kansas and Missouri. Warm Regards, Dennis W. Stein [email protected] Visit The Genealogy Home of Dennis and Lisa Stein at: http://www.chesapeake.net/~dstein/Index.htm Visit The Genealogical Standards recommended by, The National Genealogical Society at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.htm

Hello List, I am looking to find more information about where my STEIN and EFFINGER families came from. Where were Sebastian and Catherine before they were married? Did they come from another part of the U.S. or did they come from the Old County? Were did all their children go? Was the name STEIN also spelled STEEN or STIEN? Sebastian STEIN, was born on 3 January 1824 and died on 1 February 1908. Sebastian married Catherine EFFINGER, on 1 October 1853 in Madison, Indiana. (Catherine EFFINGER was born on 25 December 1835, died on 18 January 1918 in Cincinnati, Ohio and was buried in St. Mary's Catholic Church, North Vernon, Indiana.) Catherine EFFINGER, was born on 25 December 1835, died on 18 January 1918 in Cincinnati, Ohio and was buried in St. Mary's Catholic Church, North Vernon, Indiana. Catherine married Sebastian STEIN, on 1 October 1853 in Madison, Indiana. (Sebastian STEIN was born on 3 January 1824 and died on 1 February 1908.) Their children were: i. Joseph STEIN (born 22 November 1854 - Died 1938 , buried in Riverview Cemetery Seymour, Indiana) ii. Jacob STEIN (born 29 March 1859 in North Vernon, Indiana - Died 1 January 1949 in Cincinnati, Ohio) iii. Sabastion STEIN-[1156] (born 11 July 1856 - Died 30 November 1882 ) iv. Henry STEIN-[1157] (born 27 October 1857 - ) v. William STEIN-[1158] (born 18 April 1860 - Died 27 November 1920 , buried in St. Mary's Cemetery) vi. Magdelina STEIN-[1159] (born 28 February 1862 - Buried in North Vernon, Indiana) vii. George STEIN-[1160] (born 27 May 1865 - Died 28 May 1875 ) viii. Anna STEIN-[1161] (born 26 June 1867 - ) ix. Sister Mary Ferdinand STEIN-[1162] (born 2 May 1869 - Died 30 April 1953 ) x. Frank STEIN-[1163] (born 19 September 1871 - Died 23 June 1895 ) xi. Nickolis STEIN-[1164] (born 11 January 1875 - Died 4 June 1934 ) xii. Catherine STEIN-[1165] (born 7 March 1877 - ) Warm Regards, Dennis W. Stein [email protected] Visit The Genealogy Home of Dennis and Lisa Stein at: http://www.chesapeake.net/~dstein/Index.htm Visit The Genealogical Standards recommended by, The National Genealogical Society at: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.htm