Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956  I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803     In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old

Hello Ken, First, my apologies for what is going to look like a long explanation. But there are two families that you need to be certain you do not confuse. The marriage certificate for Alfred Austin and Bessie Fry can be found on CityArk http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=ShowImg&Img=/cityark/Scans/Ecclesiastical_Rochester_Archdeaconry_Area_Parishes/P150_FRINDSBURY_1669_1984/01_Incumbent_Registers_1669_1984/P150_01_19.html/00000633.jpg Alfred and Bessie married, according to that marriage registration (p. 217, entry no. 433) on November 3, 1900 at Strood, Alfred being then 23 years of age and Bessie 17 years of age. Alfred's father is recorded as being George Austin, a carman. Bessie's father, also a George, was a carman but was deceased at the time of the marriage in 1900. Witnesses were Andrew Angel and Mary Fry. So, having established that you have a father's name for Alfred, one needs to look closely at the ages that he has given on documents around that time: 1900 marriage age 23 = born circa 1877 place of birth not stated 1901 census age 28 = bc 1873 at Northfleet 1911 census age 34 = bc 1877 at Swanscombe North Aylesford registration district contains the parish of Northfleet (up to 1884 and thereafter in Strood district, currently Gravesend district). Swanscombe was in Dartford district (currently Gravesend district). Wouldham and Wrotham were in Malling registration district (now Maidstone district) - for which see 1871 and 1891 information below. So, of the three entries above with only two places included, it would strongly suggest when compared to the birth registrations that occurred between 1872 and 1878 that the registration of a birth of an Alfred Austin in September quarter 1874 in Dartford district (vol. 2a, p 395) would be the best bet for being your Alfred Austin's birth. There is no registration for an Alfred Austin or Austen between 1870 and 1880 at Malling district. But, of course, birth and registration did not always happen in the same district. You will have to be careful to not confuse two families in the Wouldham area: 1) George (born Wouldham, aged 13 in 1881) son of George Austin of Lincolnshire; and, 2) George Austin with no known father who resided at the Union workhouse born Wouldham but aged only 8 in 1881. See below for more details. In 1871 George Austin of Spalding, Lincolnshire, age 58 (bc 1813) is living in Wouldham with his wife Sarai [sic] aged 48 born Lynn, Norfolk, and children: Sarai, aged 19 born Lynn Norfolk, William aged 13, born Kent Selling, Fanny aged 10, born Dunkirk, Kent, Avery, a daughter aged 8 born Wouldham, Kent, Harriott aged 6 born Wouldham, Kent and George a son, aged 3, born Wouldham, Kent. It appears that this George was registered as Austen during June quarter 1872 in Malling District, vol. 2a, p. 491. In 1881 George Austin of Spalding (as above) is still living at Wouldham with wife now named Mary but her having been born at Lynn, Norfolk, with children William, Arriett [sic], George (now aged 13) and Charles aged 10. In 1891 there is a George Austin aged 20 and Alfred Austin aged 17, both born at Wouldham, both boarders at Seal on Church Hill with George and Mary Ann Hider, perhaps both being brothers, and not being children of the George and Sarai at Wouldham in 1871. No doubt, though, that this is the family that shows up in the Union workhouse in 1881, George Austin being then aged 8 born at Wouldham. However, overall, the three registers for Church of England for Swanscombe, Northfleet and Wouldham are all available for free viewing on the Cityark website http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2FZ4a_Medway_Ancestors%2F%0A&SearchWords=&DateList=So, it looks like you may have a bit of recourse to some parish registers toattempt to find a baptism for Alfred to a father, George.Sincerely,Susan D. YoungChief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.comCounty Administrator, Kent OPC Project www.kent-opc.org----- Original Message -----From: "ken old" <[email protected]>To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]>Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:41 AMSubject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFREDAlfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 BowerStreet Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find hismothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on hisgrave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone,she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his sonGeogre Austin died in Australia and I have been re! searching the family formy wife George's daughter.The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifyinghis mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters andtrace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old

If he is born in Swanscombe as another lister suggests then the best place to look is the medway cityark website as they have most of the baptisms on there. I have found that very useful and saved a lot of money on certificates. GLoria -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ken old Sent: 16 June 2012 11:41 To: Kent Listers Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956  I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ken, I think that your Alfred Austin was Alfred T b 1874 Gravesend no as I mentioned in West Malling Workhouse. Bessie died 1917 Maidstone and the Henrietta on the 1901 census is her sister, 1891 parents Alfred Austin b 1844 Canterbury Butcher and Rebecca born Stepney 1850 Living in 7 West Street, Gravesend 1881 missing Cannot find a marriage Hope the above helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken old" <[email protected]> To: "Kent Listers" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] AUSTIN ALFRED Alfred Austin according to his death certificate passed away at 87 Bower Street Maidstone on eighteenth August 1956 I have been trying to find his mothers name but cannot cofirm it. is it possible that an inscription on his grave may give a mothers name. He died at his daughter's home in maidstone, she has passed away. I have no details of any other relatives, his son Geogre Austin died in Australia and I have been researching the family for my wife George's daughter. The death certificate application no is 4074817-1 on 23rd May 2012 His Marriage certificate no is COL 486803 In 1911 he was living with his family at13 Wykeham Street Strood Identifying his mother will enable me to perhaps identify his brothers and sisters and trace his family further. Thank you in anticipation Ken Old ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message