Hi Sue Thanks for your helpful response - you have really stirred the pot ! LOL (Why is the PONSFORD's unmarried daughter names LYDE etc?) A long time ago (in my advanced senility, that is more than a fortnight) I have a memory of being told or reading about a death at sea for a James LYDE which may explain why no record can be found. I think you may well have found Sarah's christening record as 1861 census has Sarah LYDE living with her mother Maria MARSH (head of household) - also there is Fanny LYDE " granddaur" . I am sure there is a connection between Sarah MARSH/LYDE and William PARKER. In 1891 census William and Sarah are in Essex with a grandson , Charles KIMBER. I believe him to be the son of Charles KIMBER and Fanny LYDE married in Sheerness in 1874. (Charles junior was born in 1878 and I think there is a transcription error in 1891 census where he is recorded as 3 years of age - should it be 13?). According to IGI records Fanny Maria Sladden LYDE was born 19 Aug 1856 and baptized at St. Mary the Virgin Dover - mother Sarah Ann LYDE. Had James already died? Thanks again for you interest. Derek -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: KENT-ENG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 169 Today's Topics: 1. Re: PARKER/ MARSH : Dover area (Sue Slater) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:36:30 +0100 From: "Sue Slater" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] PARKER/ MARSH : Dover area To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Derek This is a confusing one! I think there are two Sarah Anns Lydes. In 1851 at Hawkesbury Street, St Mary, Dover are: Samuel Ponsford Ann Ponsford - Wife Elizabeth Lyde - Daughter, Unmarried, b 1838 London Middx Sarah Ann Marsh - Visitor, Unmarried, b 1833 Dover, Kent George Goodwin Rebecca Goodwin - Wife Sarah Loyd - Lodger, Widow, b 1807 New Romney, Laundress Edward Loyd - Son, Unmarried, b 1842 Dover Esther Loyd - Daughter, Unmarried, by 1846 Dover I think that the woman in 1861 with children Edward & Esther is Sarah Loyd (sic) b 1807 New Romney, taking some serious liberties about her age! I think that the woman who married James Lyde in Jun Qtr. 1851, Dover, was Sarah Ann Marsh b 1833 Dover. I can't find a suitable death for James yet. It looks as though the 'wife' of William Parker in 1881 & 1891 was Sarah Ann Lyde nee Marsh b 1833 Dover, but can't explain the Laura b Fareham problem. It would seem logical that this was Sarah Lyde, nee Marsh, at 1871 since they had a visitor Fanny Maria S Lyde aged 14 b Dover! N.B. This appears to be Fanny Maria Sladden Lyde reg. Sep 1856 Qtr. Dover district, ref: 2a 599. Familysearch.org has a chr for a Sarah Ann Marsh on 21 Sep 1834 at St Mary's Dover, parents Thomas & Maria Marsh. Hope this helps Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 21 June 2012 18:01 To: [email protected] Subject: [KENT-ENG] PARKER/ MARSH : Dover area I have a link to William PARKER (born 1827) who married Sarah ISAAC in Biddestone, Wiltshire (1848). I have a solid history of them and their children through to 1861 census in Wiltshire. By 1871 census William appears to be in Canterbury with one of his daughters, also named Sarah. His wife on the census is shown to be Laura, born Fareham Hants. No trace of Sarah, his wife from Wiltshire. By 1881 (Dartford) and 1891 (Chadwell, Essex) census, his wife is stated to be Sarah, born in Dover c.1837/1838. No marriage has been found. There is good circumstantial evidence that the Dover Sarah is Sarah MARSH born Dover c.1838 (possibly JQ 1838 Eastry 5 145) who by 1861 census is Sarah LYDE. There is a possible marriage in JQ 1851 ...but that would make Sarah age 13 at marriage. Unlikely? My question to the list is .... Is there a village /hamlet in the Dover/Eastry area which sounds like "Fareham" and which the census enumerator may have interpreted as Fareham, Hampshire? This would at least explain the Laura problem! Thanks for reading this. Derek Ward ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the KENT-ENG list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the KENT-ENG mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of KENT-ENG Digest, Vol 7, Issue 169 ****************************************