Thanks Dave. It is the same here, but wanted to be sure. Annie in Minnesota In a message dated 6/27/2012 1:25:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Annie Most likely is the same man. At this time all pipes for gas and for water were made from lead, so exactly the same skills were needed for the fitting and jointing of these pipes. The trade associated with these skills was also known as "whitesmith" All the best Dave Dixon