My sentiments also Bryn. Robyn -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryn Town Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 10:57 AM To: Harry Vincett; [email protected] Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Ancestry In reality both points of view are valid. Ancestry can be extremely useful but like any resource it needs to be used with discretion. There is no substitute for proper research but unfortunately too many people simply copy information without checking it's veracity. You may say that's their problem but it becomes everyone's problem when it is copied over and over again and becomes "fact". I've had some useful contacts from "cousins". I've also had some extremely unhelpful contacts from people who take the lazy approach. Family history is no different from any other area of history. It needs to be the subject of rigorous research and analysis if it's to be really useful. For my own part I upload my data to Ancestry in Gedcom and without images. I also keep it private. I've had too many bad experiences of people "borrowing" my data and then misinterpreting it. I'm more than happy to share my research with genuine researchers .... it isn't hard to type a message and in the end it results in a more meaningful and useful contact as opposed to just copying information verbatim without checking. There for what it's worth is my two bob's worth. Enjoy your day ...... Bryn (Mt. Victoria, NSW, Australia) On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Harry Vincett <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes I agree Anne! > Why bother posting the info if you didn't expect ot swap information with > Cousins? > Harry in Oregon > > > ________________________________ > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:44 PM > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Ancestry > > And oh what you have missed out on. The "new" cousins who contact you, > who exchange info with you and help you as you help them extend the > trees, to > more understand the people from whom you descend, to see pics of what they > looked like, of the places they lived and traveled to, of their progeny and > how these "new" cousins really don't differ too much from you and yours > since we all come from the same stock with the same mores and traditions. > > Annie in Minnesota > > > In a message dated 6/29/2012 3:31:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Did you realise that when you create an Ancestry family tree, even if > it's a private tree, you "grant Ancestry a non-exclusive, > transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free license to host, store, > copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and otherwise use such > material, including, hosting and access on co-branded services of that > material, and to use the data contained in that material as search > results and to integrate that data into the Service as Ancestry deems > appropriate"? > > No wonder I´ve never uploaded my family tree!! > > Diane > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Coming late to this discussion table, I know, but pray that Stuart lets me have one last crack at the subject. Caveat Emptor: It just goes to illustrate that one must always read the fine print before pouncing on the latest idea or trend in any arena and then understanding the ramifications of that fine print. Even though Ancestry has been around for a decade or more, they have always had those disclaimers and caveats in place. I maintain my own family data on my own websites which are free to anyone to use and thereby have kept for myself the ability to hit Ancestry for copyright infringement (which I have done successfully for myself and several friends) when my material turns up on their website. Although Ancestry is required by law to remove the infringing material, all they have to do is remove the material from their stock of data, including search results, as well as advise their poster that the material has to be taken down. Quite often the poster will move the material into a private tree. If the poster refused to move it to a private tree, then Ancestry must remove the infringing pages from its website unilaterally. Only going after the poster, which is almost impossible to do without a court order requiring Ancestry to reveal their identity, will eradicate the complete copyright infringement problem. By maintaining your own site or keeping your research in your own possession or publishing your own hard copy or digital ebook will keep your data adequately protected under the Universal Copyright Convention, but it will not stop others from "borrowing" from your research. I have always shared my work, but only through certain forums and avenues. I absolutely refuse to add another person's research to my own without first having used their clues to investigate the path myself and obtaining my own documentation along the way. Quite often, I am the one that turns up the 'run into the ditch' to which that other researcher managed to fall victim. Similarly, I never take another's persons suggestions of "correction" to my data without first having retraced my research steps and then the research of the other person. Just this person's opinion. Sincerely, Susan D. Young Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.com County Administrator, Kent OPC Project www.kent-opc.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "les wright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Ancestry > My sentiments also Bryn. > Robyn > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Bryn Town > Sent: Sunday, 1 July 2012 10:57 AM > To: Harry Vincett; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Ancestry > > In reality both points of view are valid. Ancestry can be extremely useful > but like any resource it needs to be used with discretion. There is no > substitute for proper research but unfortunately too many people simply > copy information without checking it's veracity. You may say that's their > problem but it becomes everyone's problem when it is copied over and over > again and becomes "fact". > > I've had some useful contacts from "cousins". I've also had > some extremely unhelpful contacts from people who take the lazy approach. > Family history is no different from any other area of history. It needs to > be the subject of rigorous research and analysis if it's to be really > useful. > > For my own part I upload my data to Ancestry in Gedcom and without images. > I also keep it private. I've had too many bad experiences of people > "borrowing" my data and then misinterpreting it. I'm more than happy to > share my research with genuine researchers .... it isn't hard to type a > message and in the end it results in a more meaningful and useful contact > as opposed to just copying information verbatim without checking. > > There for what it's worth is my two bob's worth. > > Enjoy your day ...... Bryn (Mt. Victoria, NSW, Australia) > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Harry Vincett <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Yes I agree Anne! >> Why bother posting the info if you didn't expect ot swap information with >> Cousins? >> Harry in Oregon >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Ancestry >> >> And oh what you have missed out on. The "new" cousins who contact you, >> who exchange info with you and help you as you help them extend the >> trees, to >> more understand the people from whom you descend, to see pics of what >> they >> looked like, of the places they lived and traveled to, of their progeny > and >> how these "new" cousins really don't differ too much from you and yours >> since we all come from the same stock with the same mores and >> traditions. >> >> Annie in Minnesota >> >> >> In a message dated 6/29/2012 3:31:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Did you realise that when you create an Ancestry family tree, even if >> it's a private tree, you "grant Ancestry a non-exclusive, >> transferable, sublicenseable, royalty-free license to host, store, >> copy, publish, distribute, provide access to and otherwise use such >> material, including, hosting and access on co-branded services of that >> material, and to use the data contained in that material as search >> results and to integrate that data into the Service as Ancestry deems >> appropriate"? >> >> No wonder I´ve never uploaded my family tree!! >> >> Diane >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject >> and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Susan Young wrote: > I maintain my own family data on my own websites which are free to > anyone to use and thereby have kept for myself the ability to hit > Ancestry for copyright infringement (which I have done successfully > for myself and several friends) when my material turns up on their > website. > Susan D. Young > Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions Hallo The use by others of research I have done is why there is very little of my family tree on line. I would not be able to sue Ancestry or any other site for copyright. I do not have the financial resources. It is an advantage you have as the Chief Executive of a company. Connie in London