Hello Adele, Historically Deptford was part of Kent. Sadly, as London, which was originally only the City of London, spread out into Kent, Surrey, Middlesex and Essex our political masters decided that the extended development would be better administered as a single county. The big take over was in the 1890's. Further changes in administration has taken place as the conurbation of London kept growing. Will it ever end? Regards, Dennis Bramble

Does Deptford come under Kent please, a friend was asking, we are not in England, and it can be muddly for some finding which town is in which county, I did email Administrator, nothing come back as yet.. thank you. Adele Clareville. NZ

Hi Bryn, Unfortunately, I do not have your John Edward JEFFREY who married Mary TOWN on my family tree. >From other researchers, I noted that they married on the 25th Dec 1872 at Bromley, KEN. John Edward JEFFREY was born 21st Jul 1847,in Surrey. I cannot locate his Parents, nor a Census for him. Perhaps you may know who his parents were. I do have quite a few living in Surrey, so maybe there could be a connection to my family through them. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) Hi Sue I have a John Edward Jeffrey who married Mary Town in 1872 and died in Brisbane in 1918. Mary was my great-grandfather's sister. Both John and Mary were born in north west Kent. Any connections ? Cheers ... Bryn (Blue Mountains, NSW)

Just a little add on to what Caroline gave you. Indeed in 1900 the Metropolitan Borough of Deptford was formed. In 1965, the area became part of the newly created London Borough of Lewisham. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Bradford Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 8:32 PM To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com Cc: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] DEPTFORD Depends what you mean by "come under". Deptford was, historically, in Kent until 1900, when it became a metropolitan borough in the newly established County of London Hope this helps Caroline Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Oct 2013, at 19:40, "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > wrote: > > Does Deptford come under Kent please, a friend was asking, we are not in > England, and it can be muddly for some finding which town is in which > county, I did email Administrator, nothing come back as yet.. thank you. > > > > Adele > > Clareville. NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Depends what you mean by "come under". Deptford was, historically, in Kent until 1900, when it became a metropolitan borough in the newly established County of London Hope this helps Caroline Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Oct 2013, at 19:40, "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > Does Deptford come under Kent please, a friend was asking, we are not in > England, and it can be muddly for some finding which town is in which > county, I did email Administrator, nothing come back as yet.. thank you. > > > > Adele > > Clareville. NZ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue, I have connections starting with Alfred Jeffree born in Adelphi,Bermondsey born abt 1846, his son Frederick Alfred Jeffree born 1874 Poplar Mdx married my Grandmother's sister, Clara Cordelia Dyckhoff. Not sure if there is a connection to your Jeffery family tree as haven't been able to go any further back than 1846. Jacky -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Holl Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2013 12:05 p.m. To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] JEFFERY Family Folkestone Hi everyone, I have finally, after 2 years of research, updated my JEFFERY family tree. The family goes back to a Henry John JEFFERY born about 1649 and who married (1) Joanna WELLARD in 1673 at Folkestone, my 8 x G.Grandparents. The earlier families lived in Folkestone, but, later generations many moved away to other parts of England, some to Australia. If you have any connection to this family, would love to hear from you. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.kent-opc.org/Parishes/Deptford.html http://www.ancestrysolutions.com/RPAKent.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deptford At 11:40 AM 03/10/2013, you wrote: >Does Deptford come under Kent please, a friend was asking, we are not in >England, and it can be muddly for some finding which town is in which >county, I did email Administrator, nothing come back as yet.. thank you. > > > >Adele > >Clareville. NZ > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue I have a John Edward Jeffrey who married Mary Town in 1872 and died in Brisbane in 1918. Mary was my great-grandfather's sister. Both John and Mary were born in north west Kent. Any connections ? Cheers ... Bryn (Blue Mountains, NSW) On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Sue Holl <susanrob21@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have finally, after 2 years of research, updated my JEFFERY family tree. > The family goes back to a Henry John JEFFERY born about 1649 and who > married (1) Joanna WELLARD in 1673 at Folkestone, my 8 x G.Grandparents. > The earlier families lived in Folkestone, but, later generations many > moved away to other parts of England, some to Australia. > If you have any connection to this family, would love to hear from you. > Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone, I have finally, after 2 years of research, updated my JEFFERY family tree. The family goes back to a Henry John JEFFERY born about 1649 and who married (1) Joanna WELLARD in 1673 at Folkestone, my 8 x G.Grandparents. The earlier families lived in Folkestone, but, later generations many moved away to other parts of England, some to Australia. If you have any connection to this family, would love to hear from you. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia)

Hi All Another page added to my website today: http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/CharlieFOX.html All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk

Thank you SO much - obviously I did not ask Google the correct question! At 17:36 30/09/2013, you wrote: >The Kentish Gazette is on line for your dates at the British News >Papers Archives >http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1800-01-01/1849-12-31?place=canterbury%2c%20kent%2c%20england&county=kent%2c%20england&region=south%20east%2c%20england&sortorder=dayearly > > > ________________________________ > > > >Would anyone know if Canterbury had any newspapers - on line - for >the period between 1830 and 1835? > Susan Perrett Melbourne, Australia English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp> Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.

Hi All Two more pages added to website today for the BERRY brothers of Coldred. http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/JohnNorwoodBERRY.html http://www.fadedgenes.co.uk/WestonBERRY.html All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk

Thanks, Stella, but unless I have missed it I can only find on that site a Great War memorial at St Johns, Gravesend, not the WW2 memorial originally at St Mary's which I am after. Lawrence > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 11:40:33 -0700 > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > From: sstanger@sfu.ca > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Does any Lister live in Gravesend? > > > Hi Lawrence, http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=598.30 > > > > > At 09:15 AM 30/09/2013, you wrote: > >Hello Listers > > > >Is there anyone who lives in or within easy > >reach of Gravesend who would be prepared to take > >a photo for me and scan and send it to me, please? > > > >I understand that the St Mary’s War Memorial > >Tablet was moved to St John's RC Church, Parrock > >Road, Gravesend when St Mary’s School was closed > >in 1951. I have a cousin whose name appears on > >it ­ he was killed by a bomb in October 1940, in > >Clapham. His name is George Bloxam ­ though it > >might appear on the tablet as Reginald Louis > >George Bloxam, or some combination of those > >names. He was at St Mary’s from 1931 to 1937. > >I live on the other side of the country and > >am unlikely to be visiting Kent for a long > >time. I am writing an article (for family > >purposes only) about George and his family ­ > >there were other tragic events in the family’s > >life too ­ and would like to be able to include > >a photo of it as a tribute to him. With thanks > >in advance Lawrence Pearse > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > >email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the > >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > >subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would anyone know if Canterbury had any newspapers - on line - for the period between 1830 and 1835? If so, what would the URL be? I have tried the Kent archives but do not seem to get anywhere!! Must have the wrong fingers! Regards, Susan Perrett Melbourne, Australia English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp> Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.

Hello Listers Is there anyone who lives in or within easy reach of Gravesend who would be prepared to take a photo for me and scan and send it to me, please? I understand that the St Mary’s War Memorial Tablet was moved to St John's RC Church, Parrock Road, Gravesend when St Mary’s School was closed in 1951. I have a cousin whose name appears on it – he was killed by a bomb in October 1940, in Clapham. His name is George Bloxam – though it might appear on the tablet as Reginald Louis George Bloxam, or some combination of those names. He was at St Mary’s from 1931 to 1937. I live on the other side of the country and am unlikely to be visiting Kent for a long time. I am writing an article (for family purposes only) about George and his family – there were other tragic events in the family’s life too – and would like to be able to include a photo of it as a tribute to him. With thanks in advance Lawrence Pearse

Thanks for all the replies. I just wanted to make sure I'm legal and my eyesight problems are not giving duff information but just shows the wording is open to misinterpretation. Regards, Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Bradford" <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Cc: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Parish Register Search is Breaking the Law !!! > Hi Linda > > I am afraid you have got in a bit of a muddle here. Parish registers are > records of baptisms, marriages and burials conducted in Church of England > churches. As we have an Established Church, the compilation and retention > of these records are governed by statute (unlike the records which other > denominations may choose to make and keep of events which take place on > their premises). Parishes are obliged to meet strict conditions about the > preservation of and access to their registers and, for the vast majority, > this is satisfied by the deposit of the registers at the "diocesan record > office" - i.e. the local county archives. The record office has a duty to > ensure that the registers are available for personal searching though, for > conservation reasons, this will normally be via microfilm. Any indexes > will normally have been compiled by volunteers (such as the local Family > History Society) or, under licence, by commercial organisations such as > Ancestry. > > All this is entirely separate from the civil registration of births, > marriages and deaths, the administration of which is handled, at its > primary level by local registrars (and secondarily by the GRO). It is the > Registrar for Greenwich to whom you have written and the answer you > received is correct: the local indices are not available for public > searching, though the GRO index (which is a compilation of all the > different local indices) is. Although not obliged to do so, some local > registration departments are making arrangements (sometimes with the aid > of local volunteers) to make the local indices available. > > It is true that clerical errors in transmission from local registrar to > GRO have resulted in some registered events failing to make it into the > GRO index and it has, in the past, been seen as sound genealogical > practice to apply to local registrars for a certificate where no reference > can be found in the GRO index. The popularity of family history (combined > with savage cuts to local authority funding) has meant that many > authorities are unable to provide this "non-essential" service, though > they are obliged to provide a copy certificate if you knows the details on > it. > > Hope this clarifies things > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 30 Sep 2013, at 10:40, "Linda Staunton" <stauntonlinda@googlemail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Listers, >> >> While we are all looking at the latest challenge of Henry Glanville Bogg >> marriage I found on the below link which states: >> Register searches >> You cannot search the register. The law does not allow the registers >> themselves to be searched. We are happy to make a search of the indexes >> on your behalf, but only for specific entries - we cannot undertake >> extensive research for family history. >> >> http://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/200111/records_and_archives/250/registry_records_and_certificates >> >> I left feedback on this page with the below question: >> Comments: You state the Law does not allow the registers to be searched. >> In light of the growing interest in family research and people searching >> parish registers all over the UK and beyond as well as subscription paid >> index searches as standard enquiry I am wondering and would appreciate >> clarification in what context you actually mean. >> >> I've received a response this morning saying that they have forwarded my >> question to the Registry Office and I can't wait for the answer !! >> >> I'm sure there would be many of us that would be hung, drawn and >> quartered by now if this were true. >> >> Any Lister comments? Thanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Linda >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your logic is impeccable, Charles, but it does not take into account the unique position of the Church of England. As the Established Church, events which take place in it (and the records made of them) are public, not private, ones. That being said, diocesan record offices (i.e. county archives) normally restrict the wholesale, widespread *publication* (via the internet etc.) of images or transcripts of parish registers which may contain information about the living. Caroline > -----Original Message----- > From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Henrywood > Sent: 30 September 2013 11:44 > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Parish Register Search is Breaking the Law !!! > > Just a thought. I wonder if the "in the public domain" argument might apply. > Recording births, marriages and deaths is a legal requirement with laws > setting out the information required and penalties for failure to comply. > Within limits, the information provided is a matter of public record. > Baptisms, on the other hand, are a matter of personal choice and, as such, > might well fall into the field of data protection. Unrestricted access to a > baptism register with entries relating to living individuals would possibly be in > breach of that Act. > Charles > charles.henrywood@btinternet.com > (FH interests include Honeywood and Wanmer)

Just a thought. I wonder if the "in the public domain" argument might apply. Recording births, marriages and deaths is a legal requirement with laws setting out the information required and penalties for failure to comply. Within limits, the information provided is a matter of public record. Baptisms, on the other hand, are a matter of personal choice and, as such, might well fall into the field of data protection. Unrestricted access to a baptism register with entries relating to living individuals would possibly be in breach of that Act. Charles charles.henrywood@btinternet.com (FH interests include Honeywood and Wanmer) -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Staunton Sent: 30 September 2013 10:40 To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Parish Register Search is Breaking the Law !!! Hi Listers, While we are all looking at the latest challenge of Henry Glanville Bogg marriage I found on the below link which states: Register searches You cannot search the register. The law does not allow the registers themselves to be searched. We are happy to make a search of the indexes on your behalf, but only for specific entries - we cannot undertake extensive research for family history. http://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/200111/records_and_archives/250/regist ry_records_and_certificates I left feedback on this page with the below question: Comments: You state the Law does not allow the registers to be searched. In light of the growing interest in family research and people searching parish registers all over the UK and beyond as well as subscription paid index searches as standard enquiry I am wondering and would appreciate clarification in what context you actually mean. I've received a response this morning saying that they have forwarded my question to the Registry Office and I can't wait for the answer !! I'm sure there would be many of us that would be hung, drawn and quartered by now if this were true. Any Lister comments? Thanks. Kind regards, Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lawrence, http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=598.30 At 09:15 AM 30/09/2013, you wrote: >Hello Listers > >Is there anyone who lives in or within easy >reach of Gravesend who would be prepared to take >a photo for me and scan and send it to me, please? > >I understand that the St Mary’s War Memorial >Tablet was moved to St John's RC Church, Parrock >Road, Gravesend when St Mary’s School was closed >in 1951. I have a cousin whose name appears on >it ­ he was killed by a bomb in October 1940, in >Clapham. His name is George Bloxam ­ though it >might appear on the tablet as Reginald Louis >George Bloxam, or some combination of those >names. He was at St Mary’s from 1931 to 1937. >I live on the other side of the country and >am unlikely to be visiting Kent for a long >time. I am writing an article (for family >purposes only) about George and his family ­ >there were other tragic events in the family’s >life too ­ and would like to be able to include >a photo of it as a tribute to him. With thanks >in advance Lawrence Pearse > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the >word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda I am afraid you have got in a bit of a muddle here. Parish registers are records of baptisms, marriages and burials conducted in Church of England churches. As we have an Established Church, the compilation and retention of these records are governed by statute (unlike the records which other denominations may choose to make and keep of events which take place on their premises). Parishes are obliged to meet strict conditions about the preservation of and access to their registers and, for the vast majority, this is satisfied by the deposit of the registers at the "diocesan record office" - i.e. the local county archives. The record office has a duty to ensure that the registers are available for personal searching though, for conservation reasons, this will normally be via microfilm. Any indexes will normally have been compiled by volunteers (such as the local Family History Society) or, under licence, by commercial organisations such as Ancestry. All this is entirely separate from the civil registration of births, marriages and deaths, the administration of which is handled, at its primary level by local registrars (and secondarily by the GRO). It is the Registrar for Greenwich to whom you have written and the answer you received is correct: the local indices are not available for public searching, though the GRO index (which is a compilation of all the different local indices) is. Although not obliged to do so, some local registration departments are making arrangements (sometimes with the aid of local volunteers) to make the local indices available. It is true that clerical errors in transmission from local registrar to GRO have resulted in some registered events failing to make it into the GRO index and it has, in the past, been seen as sound genealogical practice to apply to local registrars for a certificate where no reference can be found in the GRO index. The popularity of family history (combined with savage cuts to local authority funding) has meant that many authorities are unable to provide this "non-essential" service, though they are obliged to provide a copy certificate if you knows the details on it. Hope this clarifies things Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 30 Sep 2013, at 10:40, "Linda Staunton" <stauntonlinda@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > While we are all looking at the latest challenge of Henry Glanville Bogg marriage I found on the below link which states: > Register searches > You cannot search the register. The law does not allow the registers themselves to be searched. We are happy to make a search of the indexes on your behalf, but only for specific entries - we cannot undertake extensive research for family history. > > http://www.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/info/200111/records_and_archives/250/registry_records_and_certificates > > I left feedback on this page with the below question: > Comments: You state the Law does not allow the registers to be searched. In light of the growing interest in family research and people searching parish registers all over the UK and beyond as well as subscription paid index searches as standard enquiry I am wondering and would appreciate clarification in what context you actually mean. > > I've received a response this morning saying that they have forwarded my question to the Registry Office and I can't wait for the answer !! > > I'm sure there would be many of us that would be hung, drawn and quartered by now if this were true. > > Any Lister comments? Thanks. > > Kind regards, > > Linda > >