Thanks, Peter, whoops! It seems highly likely this was not a CofE marriage, though it could have been at St Giles, whose registers are not complete in the Ancestry/LMA collection. Either way, your best bet would be to get the marriage certificate from the GRO. Sent from my iPad > On 31 Dec 2013, at 08:49, "Peter" <peterj.martin@lineone.net> wrote: > > I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 not > 1976. > > Peter > > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > Napoleon) pls > > Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother > Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). >> >> She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and > was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as > they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. > Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road > Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I > thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at > all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. >> >> All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. >> Estelle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Estelle, I have found the following Eleanor and Napoleon were married in 1876 Holborn Napoleon born in Paris 1853/1854 1871 Boarder Reading 1881-1901 Living at various addresses in the Islington area, 1911 Living in Lambeth. They had five children Napoleon was a Shorthand writer in the Admiralty. Hope the above is of some help, can give you more details information if wanted. Yvonne -----Original Message----- From: Estelle Daniels Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:58 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon)pls Hello, I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. Estelle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Estelle, The Guild of One Name Studies marriage locator service returns the following comment when searched with info supplied by Caroline: "Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage. The entry is located between entries for Kentish Town St Martin and St Pancras, both in RD Pancras." Peter -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Estelle Daniels Sent: 31 December 2013 8:55 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls Thank you very much Caroline, and Peter. Do you think I would have much chance of finding a parish register entry? Regards Estelle > From: peterj.martin@lineone.net > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:49:54 +0000 > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls > > I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 > not 1976. > > Peter > > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > Napoleon) pls > > Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH > > (mother > Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > > > > She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, > > and > was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in > 1932, as they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. > Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the > City Road Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died > in Kent, so I thought I would ask this list to help point me in the > right direction, if at all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > > Estelle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 not 1976. Peter Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > > She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > > All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > Estelle

Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > > She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > > All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > Estelle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From 1858 onwards, all wills were proved centrally through a single, secular court. Ancestry have indexed the calendars (index) for these up to 1966. You can apply for copies of wills and administrations from HM Court Service via http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills. Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 30 Dec 2013, at 22:27, Nancy Seger <neseger1@cox.net> wrote: > > My sympathies for all those who wrestle with John Smith research. Mine, > born in 1815 in Kent is also lying quietly despite many years of research. > But my reason for writing, is to ask if you have discovered an on[line > repository of London wills. My gggrandfather George Bolton Bolton, > solicitor died in November of 1869 in London. I have tried but do not > know how to locate his will. > Regards, Nancy Seger > > EM OConnell wrote: >> Thank you Libby, I had not found that website on my searches. The John Maud does not feel right even with the correct date, as I have not come across that name so far. If however it is not out of your way, it would be great if you could check for me. Clearly there is no rush as this John Smith has been lying quietly for a long time! >> Thank you so much again >> Elizabeth >> >> >> On 31/12/2013, at 12:34 AM, Libby Richardson <libellenrichardson@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Elizabeth >>> >>> The East Kent Wills Indexes are on the Kent Archaeological Society’s website and cover Canterbury Archdeaconry and Consistory Court wills pre 1858 and you can search either by name or place. The quickest way to locate the indexes is to search for East Kent Wills Indexes. I did look but could only find a reference to a John Maud Smith of Canterbury who made a will in 1844 which was probated in 1846. The images and the originals of the wills are held at the Kent History and Library Centre at Maidstone. If you want I could have a look at the will the next time I am in there. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Libby >>> West Malling >>> Kent UK >>> >>> On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:02, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>> >>>> Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England >>>> and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately >>>> your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on >>>> the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been >>>> able to locate anything. >>>> >>>> If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK >>>> (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England >>>> will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. >>>> >>>> They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate >>>> further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. >>>> >>>> Have a great new year. >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> Cathryn >>>> Australia >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello >>>>> >>>>> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >>>>> >>>>> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >>>>> >>>>> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >>>>> >>>>> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >>>>> >>>>> Elizabeth O'Connell >>>>> New Zealand >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. Elizabeth O'Connell New Zealand

Hi Elizabeth, Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been able to locate anything. If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. Have a great new year. Best wishes, Cathryn Australia On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: > Hello > > I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). > > Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. > > I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. > > If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. > > Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. > > Elizabeth O'Connell > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much Caroline. I'll be on it tomorrow. Nancy Caroline Bradford wrote: > From 1858 onwards, all wills were proved centrally through a single, secular court. Ancestry have indexed the calendars (index) for these up to 1966. > > You can apply for copies of wills and administrations from HM Court Service via http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills. > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > > >> On 30 Dec 2013, at 22:27, Nancy Seger <neseger1@cox.net> wrote: >> >> My sympathies for all those who wrestle with John Smith research. Mine, >> born in 1815 in Kent is also lying quietly despite many years of research. >> But my reason for writing, is to ask if you have discovered an on[line >> repository of London wills. My gggrandfather George Bolton Bolton, >> solicitor died in November of 1869 in London. I have tried but do not >> know how to locate his will. >> Regards, Nancy Seger >> >> EM OConnell wrote: >> >>> Thank you Libby, I had not found that website on my searches. The John Maud does not feel right even with the correct date, as I have not come across that name so far. If however it is not out of your way, it would be great if you could check for me. Clearly there is no rush as this John Smith has been lying quietly for a long time! >>> Thank you so much again >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> On 31/12/2013, at 12:34 AM, Libby Richardson <libellenrichardson@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Elizabeth >>>> >>>> The East Kent Wills Indexes are on the Kent Archaeological Society’s website and cover Canterbury Archdeaconry and Consistory Court wills pre 1858 and you can search either by name or place. The quickest way to locate the indexes is to search for East Kent Wills Indexes. I did look but could only find a reference to a John Maud Smith of Canterbury who made a will in 1844 which was probated in 1846. The images and the originals of the wills are held at the Kent History and Library Centre at Maidstone. If you want I could have a look at the will the next time I am in there. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Libby >>>> West Malling >>>> Kent UK >>>> >>>> On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:02, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England >>>>> and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately >>>>> your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on >>>>> the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been >>>>> able to locate anything. >>>>> >>>>> If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK >>>>> (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England >>>>> will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. >>>>> >>>>> They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate >>>>> further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. >>>>> >>>>> Have a great new year. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Cathryn >>>>> Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> >>>>>> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >>>>>> >>>>>> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >>>>>> >>>>>> Elizabeth O'Connell >>>>>> New Zealand >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My sympathies for all those who wrestle with John Smith research. Mine, born in 1815 in Kent is also lying quietly despite many years of research. But my reason for writing, is to ask if you have discovered an on[line repository of London wills. My gggrandfather George Bolton Bolton, solicitor died in November of 1869 in London. I have tried but do not know how to locate his will. Regards, Nancy Seger EM OConnell wrote: > Thank you Libby, I had not found that website on my searches. The John Maud does not feel right even with the correct date, as I have not come across that name so far. If however it is not out of your way, it would be great if you could check for me. Clearly there is no rush as this John Smith has been lying quietly for a long time! > Thank you so much again > Elizabeth > > > On 31/12/2013, at 12:34 AM, Libby Richardson <libellenrichardson@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Hi Elizabeth >> >> The East Kent Wills Indexes are on the Kent Archaeological Society’s website and cover Canterbury Archdeaconry and Consistory Court wills pre 1858 and you can search either by name or place. The quickest way to locate the indexes is to search for East Kent Wills Indexes. I did look but could only find a reference to a John Maud Smith of Canterbury who made a will in 1844 which was probated in 1846. The images and the originals of the wills are held at the Kent History and Library Centre at Maidstone. If you want I could have a look at the will the next time I am in there. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Libby >> West Malling >> Kent UK >> >> On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:02, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Elizabeth, >>> >>> Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England >>> and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately >>> your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on >>> the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been >>> able to locate anything. >>> >>> If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK >>> (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England >>> will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. >>> >>> They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate >>> further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. >>> >>> Have a great new year. >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Cathryn >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >>> >>>> Hello >>>> >>>> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >>>> >>>> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >>>> >>>> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >>>> >>>> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >>>> >>>> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >>>> >>>> Elizabeth O'Connell >>>> New Zealand >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Someone who was "of London" when he died would be unlikely to have his will proved in Kent even though he died there. Also, his will may not have been proved in 1844 and, as a barrister, his occupation could appear in a wills index as gentleman. John Smith is a fiendishly difficult name to research as I know from personal experience. Do you have any more information about him that might help in identifying him - was his wife still living in 1844 and what was her name? Do you know the names of his surviving children, or at least that of his oldest surviving son (if he had one)? Was he a barrister in the City of London and do you know which parish, or was he was he more correctly of one of the Middlesex parishes near London? Answers to any or all of these questions may help in tracking down any will and help in eliminating the many wrong John Smiths. Pauline On 30/12/2013 08:51, EM OConnell wrote: > Hello > > I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). > > Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. > > I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. > > If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. > > Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. > > Elizabeth O'Connell > New Zealand > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Elizabeth The East Kent Wills Indexes are on the Kent Archaeological Society’s website and cover Canterbury Archdeaconry and Consistory Court wills pre 1858 and you can search either by name or place. The quickest way to locate the indexes is to search for East Kent Wills Indexes. I did look but could only find a reference to a John Maud Smith of Canterbury who made a will in 1844 which was probated in 1846. The images and the originals of the wills are held at the Kent History and Library Centre at Maidstone. If you want I could have a look at the will the next time I am in there. Best wishes Libby West Malling Kent UK On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:02, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > > Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England > and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately > your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on > the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been > able to locate anything. > > If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK > (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England > will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. > > They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate > further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. > > Have a great new year. > > Best wishes, > Cathryn > Australia > > > On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >> Hello >> >> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >> >> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >> >> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >> >> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >> >> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >> >> Elizabeth O'Connell >> New Zealand >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you one and all for replying to my note re Fenner & Nye. At the moment I cannot tie any of them in, however, will most definitely keep all the postings in case something turns up down the track. I will also let you know if it does. Happy New Year to all...Lesley

Hello, am trying to find a connection between Elizabeth Nye (b.1789) married to Thomas Delves. Her parents were James Nye and Elizabeth Fenner. This is from my husband's line. Elizabeth Nye Fenner Dyer (b.1803) married to Henry Smither. This is from my line. Both from Tonbridge/Tunbridge Wells. Any help would be wonderful as I feel that there has to be a connection somewhere with the use of both Nye and Fenner in both our lines. I have done quite a bit of research on this and to no avail. Thank you, Lesley.

Hello, There are only two deaths recorded for Stephen Woodcock in Kent up to 1900. (There are three others but are all unnamed, which usually indicates an infant death.) 23-5-1854 age 63. At Ss Cosmus & Damian, Blean. GRO ref; 2A 314. And 4 Q. 1871 age 60. GRO ref; 2A 469. Buried at Ss Peter and Paul, Eythorn. Regards, Dennis Bramble. (Kent FHS) -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Seger Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:00 AM To: Kent List Subject: [KENT-ENG] Invite to Martha and William WOODCOCK My yearly invitations to James and Thomas Smith have been ignored so I am moving to Plan B. I had hoped the Smith brothers would identify their parents. Alas, no. Plan B turns to Stephen Woodcock because his children were brought to Canada to live with Smiths who had a mystery relation to my Smith brothers. James was my gggrandfather born about 1827 in Kent. _Stephen Wooccock_ Born: 1811 to Martha Smith and William Woodcock in Wye. Death: Unknown. Possibly Ware or Blean. Married Charlotte Stevens, Feb. 1834 in Wye Children: Martha Sarah Woodcock, 1834, married Francis Johnson in Canada William Stevens Woodcock,1836, married Mary Grace Sloman in Canada Elizabeth Ann Woodcock, 1838, married James Oliver in Kent. Charlotte died in 1838 after the birth of Elizabeth. The children lived with Charlotte's parents in Crundale until 1848 when Martha and William were taken somehow to Mitchell, Perth Co, Ontario Canada to live with one John Smith and his wife Sarah Sanford of Sussex. They took the Smith name but not legally as seems to be common then. I have tons of info on Wm. Woodcock's other children as I have followed their lives in England and the immigration of two daughters to Perth in their later years. I also have the ancestry of Martha Smith and her burial in Wye. But, cannot connect the Smiths. So, I think it would be a sterling idea to get Stephen Woodcock to dinner. He disappeared after his wife's death and he has a lot of explaining to do. Happy Christmas to the list and all their invitees. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lesley, This information re. FENNER may be of interest or may be not. Justin case, I have found Fenner in my research on BRAMBLE. It was most interest to me as I was at school with Olive Fenner at Cobham, Kent. Then in my research I discovered the family were at one time in the Hoo Peninsular which is where I was born. In looking further I discovered the name in the Tonbridge R.D. I did not look for any connection. Regards, Dennis Bramble. (Kent FHS) -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Moore Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 5:34 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Fenner and Nye Hello, am trying to find a connection between Elizabeth Nye (b.1789) married to Thomas Delves. Her parents were James Nye and Elizabeth Fenner. This is from my husband's line. Elizabeth Nye Fenner Dyer (b.1803) married to Henry Smither. This is from my line. Both from Tonbridge/Tunbridge Wells. Any help would be wonderful as I feel that there has to be a connection somewhere with the use of both Nye and Fenner in both our lines. I have done quite a bit of research on this and to no avail. Thank you, Lesley. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't know if this person is linked to your family but I have an Ellen Elizabeth NYE (born 1896 Tonbridge) married to my 2nd cousin twice removed, Frederick Fenner b 1895 Southborough. I don't know who Ellen's parents were but Frederick FENNER was the son of Henry Phillip FENNER b1855 Underriver & Mary CARPENTER b 1859 Tonbridge. Henry's parents were Jesse FENNER b 1820 Burwash and Elizabeth RANGER 1820 Underriver. Regards Patti > From: lesleyandrobert@smartchat.net.au > To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:34:47 +1100 > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Fenner and Nye > > Hello, am trying to find a connection between > > Elizabeth Nye (b.1789) married to Thomas Delves. Her parents were James Nye > and Elizabeth Fenner. This is from my husband's line. > > Elizabeth Nye Fenner Dyer (b.1803) married to Henry Smither. This is from > my line. > > Both from Tonbridge/Tunbridge Wells. > > Any help would be wonderful as I feel that there has to be a connection > somewhere with the use of both Nye and Fenner in both our lines. I have > done quite a bit of research on this and to no avail. > > Thank you, Lesley. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lesley Just noticed a marr on Ancestry on 3 Feb 1805 at Speldhurst, Kent between Jesse Nye and Maria Jenner. Also a chr for Jesse on 25 May 1777 in Speldhurst to parents Thomas & Sarah Nye. Sue -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dennis bramble Sent: 23 December 2013 06:17 To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Fenner and Nye Hello Lesley, This information re. FENNER may be of interest or may be not. Justin case, I have found Fenner in my research on BRAMBLE. It was most interest to me as I was at school with Olive Fenner at Cobham, Kent. Then in my research I discovered the family were at one time in the Hoo Peninsular which is where I was born. In looking further I discovered the name in the Tonbridge R.D. I did not look for any connection. Regards, Dennis Bramble. (Kent FHS) -----Original Message----- From: Lesley Moore Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 5:34 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Fenner and Nye Hello, am trying to find a connection between Elizabeth Nye (b.1789) married to Thomas Delves. Her parents were James Nye and Elizabeth Fenner. This is from my husband's line. Elizabeth Nye Fenner Dyer (b.1803) married to Henry Smither. This is from my line. Both from Tonbridge/Tunbridge Wells. Any help would be wonderful as I feel that there has to be a connection somewhere with the use of both Nye and Fenner in both our lines. I have done quite a bit of research on this and to no avail. Thank you, Lesley. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My yearly invitations to James and Thomas Smith have been ignored so I am moving to Plan B. I had hoped the Smith brothers would identify their parents. Alas, no. Plan B turns to Stephen Woodcock because his children were brought to Canada to live with Smiths who had a mystery relation to my Smith brothers. James was my gggrandfather born about 1827 in Kent. _Stephen Wooccock_ Born: 1811 to Martha Smith and William Woodcock in Wye. Death: Unknown. Possibly Ware or Blean. Married Charlotte Stevens, Feb. 1834 in Wye Children: Martha Sarah Woodcock, 1834, married Francis Johnson in Canada William Stevens Woodcock,1836, married Mary Grace Sloman in Canada Elizabeth Ann Woodcock, 1838, married James Oliver in Kent. Charlotte died in 1838 after the birth of Elizabeth. The children lived with Charlotte's parents in Crundale until 1848 when Martha and William were taken somehow to Mitchell, Perth Co, Ontario Canada to live with one John Smith and his wife Sarah Sanford of Sussex. They took the Smith name but not legally as seems to be common then. I have tons of info on Wm. Woodcock's other children as I have followed their lives in England and the immigration of two daughters to Perth in their later years. I also have the ancestry of Martha Smith and her burial in Wye. But, cannot connect the Smiths. So, I think it would be a sterling idea to get Stephen Woodcock to dinner. He disappeared after his wife's death and he has a lot of explaining to do. Happy Christmas to the list and all their invitees.

----- Original Message ----- From: <kent-eng-request@rootsweb.com> To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:00 AM Subject: KENT-ENG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 250 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RIDLEY (Adele Pentony-Graham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:06:56 +1300 > From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [KENT-ENG] RIDLEY > To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <75C5139911EC4B5281D2B47325AD3164@adminTHINK> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Would love to meet my ancestors of GILLINGHAM.. the Ridley family for > Christmas out here in NZ.. but if I have my way this coming year, will > visit the grave of my Gt Uncle who died 1916 was with the Canadian > Infantry, > native of Gillingham. Kent buried Gillingham, but in the old cemetery > which > is now a playing field, but the CWGC headstone is in the newer cemetery, > do > I visit both areas! Surely they could have moved the remains to the new > Cemetery! I do have the paper work on Willie from Canada and from CWGC > site.. seeing it is the 100 anniversary in 2014 of the Great War, feel I > must visit his grave..(s) Oddly enough another soldier who died over here > in Featherston and from KENT, had two headstones, which meant two graves.. > I > asked Commonwealth War Graves Commission to work it out, why two > headstones. > oh dear someone didn't have the common sense to take the incorrect details > one away just put the new one elsewhere in the Military Cemetery, don't > need > brains for some jobs I guess! He was George Prentice. Died WW1. > Featherston had a Military Camp. Lt. George Henry Prentice.. single.. > from > Kent.. his sister was here in NZ as well.. > > > > But must get to see where Willie lies.. our Ridley maybe related to > Bishop > Nicholas Ridley.. say maybe! > > > > Merry Christmas folks.. and a lovely 2014, safe one.. > > > > Adele > > Clareville Taphophile. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the KENT-ENG list administrator, send an email to > KENT-ENG-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the KENT-ENG mailing list, send an email to > KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of KENT-ENG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 250 > ****************************************