My 2nd ggmother Elizabeth Turk Friend was the illegitimate daughter of Ann Friend, of Peasmarsh, Sussex. When she bore my ggrandfather, Frederick Friend, on 2/10/1629. she named his father as John Friend. She had Frederick in Paddington, London. This leads me to believe she went away to have the baby or perhaps she was working there. Either way, this is a huge brick wall for me, not to be able to go back any further. I am addressing this to the Kent list since I know there are lots of Friends in Kent, but I have a feeling there is a need to go back to the Turk family, that of Elizabeths "father" as well. In other words it's a mess. Can anyone help me?' Cheers Philippa in Adelaide, South Australia

Hi Philippa Could you be a bit more specific about your dates and sources? Are you sure your great grandfather was born nearly 400 years ago? Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 5 Jan 2014, at 08:27, "Philippa Cooper" <pkcooper@aapt.net.au> wrote: > > My 2nd ggmother Elizabeth Turk Friend was the illegitimate daughter of Ann > Friend, of Peasmarsh, Sussex. When she bore my ggrandfather, Frederick > Friend, on 2/10/1629. she named his father as John Friend. > > She had Frederick in Paddington, London. This leads me to believe she went > away to have the baby or perhaps she was working there. Either way, this > is a huge brick wall for me, not to be able to go back any further. I am > addressing this to the Kent list since I know there are lots of Friends in > Kent, but I have a feeling there is a need to go back to the Turk family, > that of Elizabeths "father" as well. In other words it's a mess. Can > anyone help me?' > > Cheers > > Philippa in Adelaide, South Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can buy the Plaxtol church registers on CD plus several other interesting books on Plaxtol if you email D Gurney at  Nangurney1​@aol.com   The CD is only £10 plus postage Regards Patti > From: robertgascoigne@cox.net > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:02:29 -0500 > Subject: [KENT-ENG] PLAXTOLL Church Records > > Hello List > > Are the Plaxtol Parish Church records available online. I cannot find much of the information on the Parish, I believe it to be part of Wrotham. > > > Thank You In Advance > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> From: robertgascoigne@cox.net > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:02:29 -0500 > Subject: [KENT-ENG] PLAXTOLL Church Records > > Hello List > > Are the Plaxtol Parish Church records available online. I cannot find much of the information on the Parish, I believe it to be part of Wrotham. > > > Thank You In Advance > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.plaxtolhistory.org.uk/ to buy a CD rom for £10, or, at no cost, http://dustydocs.com/county-page/p/1/england/19/kent.html has some, as do Family Search (though not many). HTH! Regards, Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT COX NET " <robertgascoigne@cox.net> To: "Kent-Eng@rootsweb" <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 2:02 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] PLAXTOLL Church Records > Hello List > > Are the Plaxtol Parish Church records available online. I cannot find > much of the information on the Parish, I believe it to be part of > Wrotham. > > > Thank You In Advance > > Bob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6975 - Release Date: 01/04/14 >

Hello List Are the Plaxtol Parish Church records available online. I cannot find much of the information on the Parish, I believe it to be part of Wrotham. Thank You In Advance Bob

Very many thanks Caroline - I'll get on to Ancestry next week after the library re opens. Elizabeth On 31/12/2013, at 11:44 AM, Caroline Bradford <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> wrote: > From 1858 onwards, all wills were proved centrally through a single, secular court. Ancestry have indexed the calendars (index) for these up to 1966. > > You can apply for copies of wills and administrations from HM Court Service via http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills. > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 30 Dec 2013, at 22:27, Nancy Seger <neseger1@cox.net> wrote: >> >> My sympathies for all those who wrestle with John Smith research. Mine, >> born in 1815 in Kent is also lying quietly despite many years of research. >> But my reason for writing, is to ask if you have discovered an on[line >> repository of London wills. My gggrandfather George Bolton Bolton, >> solicitor died in November of 1869 in London. I have tried but do not >> know how to locate his will. >> Regards, Nancy Seger >> >> EM OConnell wrote: >>> Thank you Libby, I had not found that website on my searches. The John Maud does not feel right even with the correct date, as I have not come across that name so far. If however it is not out of your way, it would be great if you could check for me. Clearly there is no rush as this John Smith has been lying quietly for a long time! >>> Thank you so much again >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> >>> On 31/12/2013, at 12:34 AM, Libby Richardson <libellenrichardson@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Elizabeth >>>> >>>> The East Kent Wills Indexes are on the Kent Archaeological Society’s website and cover Canterbury Archdeaconry and Consistory Court wills pre 1858 and you can search either by name or place. The quickest way to locate the indexes is to search for East Kent Wills Indexes. I did look but could only find a reference to a John Maud Smith of Canterbury who made a will in 1844 which was probated in 1846. The images and the originals of the wills are held at the Kent History and Library Centre at Maidstone. If you want I could have a look at the will the next time I am in there. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> >>>> Libby >>>> West Malling >>>> Kent UK >>>> >>>> On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:02, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Elizabeth, >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England >>>>> and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately >>>>> your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on >>>>> the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been >>>>> able to locate anything. >>>>> >>>>> If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK >>>>> (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England >>>>> will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. >>>>> >>>>> They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate >>>>> further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. >>>>> >>>>> Have a great new year. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> Cathryn >>>>> Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello >>>>>> >>>>>> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >>>>>> >>>>>> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >>>>>> >>>>>> Elizabeth O'Connell >>>>>> New Zealand >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Graham, Thank you so much for taking the time to find the will info. That is indeed him. I have no idea why I said he died in November. I have his death certificate as George Bolton Bolton, died 22 February at 8 Old Ford Road, Bow. His brother Beresford's, four children and two nephews left London for Canada in June of 1869 under the name of Henry Dunn. Beresford and William came somehow. One perhaps as Henry Dunn and or later in 1869 or 70. Sister Charlotte Bolton came somewhere in their and I get them all mixed up since it is very convoluted. Charlotte married Wm. Dunn in 1870, the witnesses being Beresford St. Clair Bolton and Wm. Bolton. Then they changed their names to Robert B. Palmer and Wm. Bolton Palmer. It is even more twisted but impossible to explain concisely. So, thanks to your jump start I am reviewing records and will investigate Ancestry again and try to sort out their moves. Nancy Seger Graham Petley wrote: > Hallo Nancy, > > Transcription from the National Probate Calendar on ancestry > > "BOLTON Bolton. 22 March. The Will of Bolton Bolton late of Old Ford Bow in the County of Middlesex Solicitor deceased who died 22 February 1869 at 9 Old-Ford-road Bow aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by oath of William Bolton of 8 Old-Ford-road aforesaid Accountant the Son one of the Executors. Effects under £100." > > At http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=UKProbateCal&h=3437540 > -Graham Petley > > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:27:06 -0500 > From: Nancy Seger <neseger1@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Spam:********, Re: Kent Wills Advice Please > SMITH d 1844 > But my reason for writing, is to ask if you have discovered an on[line > repository of London wills. My gggrandfather George Bolton Bolton, > solicitor died in November of 1869 in London. I have tried but do not > know how to locate his will. > Regards, Nancy Seger > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

From The Morning Post and Gazetteer ( London, England ), Tuesday, January 27, 1801; Issue 10104.  MARRIED.On Tuesday last, at St. James's Church, Mr. KING , Master of the Royal Foundry, Woolwich, to Miss BURGE , of Shepton-Mallett, Somersetshire.

Hallo Nancy, Transcription from the National Probate Calendar on ancestry "BOLTON Bolton. 22 March. The Will of Bolton Bolton late of Old Ford Bow in the County of Middlesex Solicitor deceased who died 22 February 1869 at 9 Old-Ford-road Bow aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by oath of William Bolton of 8 Old-Ford-road aforesaid Accountant the Son one of the Executors. Effects under £100." At http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=UKProbateCal&h=3437540 -Graham Petley Message: 7 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 17:27:06 -0500 From: Nancy Seger <neseger1@cox.net> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Spam:********, Re:  Kent Wills Advice Please     SMITH d 1844 But my reason for writing, is to ask if you have discovered an on[line repository of  London wills.  My gggrandfather George Bolton Bolton, solicitor died in November of 1869 in London.  I have tried but do not know how to locate his will. Regards, Nancy Seger

Thank you Yvonne. This information is all of a great help to me, as this is a new branch of the family that I have just discovered. I had begun to think that any English branch of the ABSOLON family had died out because of being all girls remaining in England; they bore girls and quite a few never married. This branch bears the SMITH name, which is always difficult. The 3 surviving males of the ABSOLON branch of Eleanor's mother's family, one of which from whom I am descended, emigrated to Australia. Regards Estelle > From: yakharris@btinternet.com > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:18:42 +0000 > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon)pls > > Hello Estelle, > > I have found the following > > Eleanor and Napoleon were married in 1876 Holborn > > Napoleon born in Paris 1853/1854 > > 1871 Boarder Reading > > 1881-1901 Living at various addresses in the Islington area, > > 1911 Living in Lambeth. > > They had five children > > Napoleon was a Shorthand writer in the Admiralty. > > Hope the above is of some help, can give you more details information if > wanted. > > Yvonne > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Estelle Daniels > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 7:58 AM > To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > Napoleon)pls > > Hello, > I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother > Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > > She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and was > in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as they > died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. > Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road > Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I > thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at > all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > > All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > Estelle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Caroline, Would the marriage certificate be likely to show any parentage of Eleanor? Regards Estelle (sweltering in rural Australia where it was 43 deg C today) > From: caroline.bradford@btinternet.com > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:20:44 +0000 > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls > > Thanks, Peter, whoops! > > It seems highly likely this was not a CofE marriage, though it could have been at St Giles, whose registers are not complete in the Ancestry/LMA collection. Either way, your best bet would be to get the marriage certificate from the GRO. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 08:49, "Peter" <peterj.martin@lineone.net> wrote: > > > > I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 not > > 1976. > > > > Peter > > > > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > > Napoleon) pls > > > > Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. > > > > Caroline > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hello, > >> I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother > > Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > >> > >> She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and > > was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as > > they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. > > Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road > > Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I > > thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at > > all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > >> > >> All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > >> Estelle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your help, Peter...I had not heard of that service. I was hoping to confirm that she is the Eleanor SMITH in my tree, by hoping that her father was mentioned in the entry. Estelle > From: peterj.martin@lineone.net > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:04:41 +0000 > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls > > Estelle, > > The Guild of One Name Studies marriage locator service returns the following > comment when searched with info supplied by Caroline: > > "Sorry, we cannot locate the church for this marriage. The entry is located > between entries for Kentish Town St Martin and St Pancras, both in RD > Pancras." > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Estelle Daniels > Sent: 31 December 2013 8:55 AM > To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > Napoleon) pls > > Thank you very much Caroline, and Peter. > > Do you think I would have much chance of finding a parish register entry? > > Regards Estelle > > > From: peterj.martin@lineone.net > > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:49:54 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > Napoleon) pls > > > > I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 > > not 1976. > > > > Peter > > > > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > > Napoleon) pls > > > > Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. > > > > Caroline > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH > > > (mother > > Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > > > > > > She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, > > > and > > was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in > > 1932, as they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in > March 1932. > > Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the > > City Road Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died > > in Kent, so I thought I would ask this list to help point me in the > > right direction, if at all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > > > All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > > > Estelle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much Caroline, and Peter. Do you think I would have much chance of finding a parish register entry? Regards Estelle > From: peterj.martin@lineone.net > To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:49:54 +0000 > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls > > I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 not > 1976. > > Peter > > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & > Napoleon) pls > > Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. > > Caroline > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother > Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). > > > > She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and > was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as > they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. > Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road > Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I > thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at > all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. > > Estelle > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. Estelle

Apologies if this comes through twice. For some reason Kent list came through on my 'Outlook' folder even though I was subscribed on my 'hotmail' address which causes problems when I try to reply. I have since re-subscribed with a BT email address. On the contrary. A barrister is highly likely to have his will proved by the highest authority in the land. Which at that time that was the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. -----Original Message----- Someone who was "of London" when he died would be unlikely to have his will proved in Kent even though he died there. Also, his will may not have been proved in 1844 and, as a barrister, his occupation could appear in a wills index as gentleman. ssage

I wasn't including the PCC as one of the Kent courts - the OP was asking about Archdeaconry of Canterbury wills etc. Although PCC stands for Prerogative Court of Canterbury, the Canterbury reference is to the Province of Canterbury which extends well beyond Kent to include over half of England (as opposed to the diocese, archdeaconry and city of Canterbury which are all contained within Kent). And much of the business involved with proving wills at the PCC was transacted in London, not in Canterbury. Pauline On 31/12/2013 13:01, David Pott wrote: > On the contrary. A barrister is highly likely to have his will proved by the > highest authority in the land. Which at that time that was the Prerogative > Court of Canterbury. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Someone who was "of London" when he died would be unlikely to have his will > proved in Kent even though he died there. Also, his will may not have been > proved in 1844 and, as a barrister, his occupation could appear in a wills > index as gentleman. > > ssage > > >

Hi Estelle Yes. The marriage certificate should give her father's name and occupation. I say "should" because occasionally one just sees "deceased" under the father's details if he was dead at the time of the marriage (or if it was convenient to say he was), although, in theory, these details should be there, regardless of whether he was dead or alive. If you are going to buy the certificate, make sure you do so direct from the GRO (www.gro.gov.uk). The statutory fee is £9.25 including worldwide postage. Third parties will charge you well over the odds and take longer to get the certificate to you. Best wishes from a windy and wet Oxford Caroline Sent from my iPad > On 31 Dec 2013, at 12:04, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Caroline, > Would the marriage certificate be likely to show any parentage of Eleanor? > Regards Estelle > (sweltering in rural Australia where it was 43 deg C today) > >> From: caroline.bradford@btinternet.com >> Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 09:20:44 +0000 >> To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & Napoleon) pls >> >> Thanks, Peter, whoops! >> >> It seems highly likely this was not a CofE marriage, though it could have been at St Giles, whose registers are not complete in the Ancestry/LMA collection. Either way, your best bet would be to get the marriage certificate from the GRO. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 31 Dec 2013, at 08:49, "Peter" <peterj.martin@lineone.net> wrote: >>> >>> I think Caroline had a small slip of the finger - it should be 1876 not >>> 1976. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Looking for SMITH & NOEL marriage (Eleanor & >>> Napoleon) pls >>> >>> Q2 1976, Holborn, Vol 1b Page 1113. >>> >>> Caroline >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On 31 Dec 2013, at 07:58, Estelle Daniels <stelly__57@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I am looking for some help to find the marriage of Eleanor SMITH (mother >>> Eliza Amelia ABSOLON & Thomas W SMITH). >>>> >>>> She apparently married Napoleon NOEL who was born in Paris, France, and >>> was in the Admiralty. I can find the death and probate of both in 1932, as >>> they died only months apart - she on 17 October 1931 and he in March 1932. >>> Eleanor was born in Clerkenwell on 19 Nov 1858 and baptised in the City Road >>> Congregational Chapel on 10 April 1859. She apparently died in Kent, so I >>> thought I would ask this list to help point me in the right direction, if at >>> all possible. Eleanor was my grandfather's cousin. >>>> >>>> All the best for the coming year & thank you in advance for any help. >>>> Estelle >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Libby, I had not found that website on my searches. The John Maud does not feel right even with the correct date, as I have not come across that name so far. If however it is not out of your way, it would be great if you could check for me. Clearly there is no rush as this John Smith has been lying quietly for a long time! Thank you so much again Elizabeth On 31/12/2013, at 12:34 AM, Libby Richardson <libellenrichardson@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Elizabeth > > The East Kent Wills Indexes are on the Kent Archaeological Society’s website and cover Canterbury Archdeaconry and Consistory Court wills pre 1858 and you can search either by name or place. The quickest way to locate the indexes is to search for East Kent Wills Indexes. I did look but could only find a reference to a John Maud Smith of Canterbury who made a will in 1844 which was probated in 1846. The images and the originals of the wills are held at the Kent History and Library Centre at Maidstone. If you want I could have a look at the will the next time I am in there. > > Best wishes > > Libby > West Malling > Kent UK > > On 30 Dec 2013, at 10:02, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England >> and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately >> your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on >> the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been >> able to locate anything. >> >> If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK >> (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England >> will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. >> >> They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate >> further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. >> >> Have a great new year. >> >> Best wishes, >> Cathryn >> Australia >> >> >> On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >>> Hello >>> >>> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >>> >>> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >>> >>> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >>> >>> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >>> >>> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >>> >>> Elizabeth O'Connell >>> New Zealand >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much Cathryn. I hadn't thought about the SOG so I will give them a look. All the best for your own research in 2014. Many thanks again Eliz. O'C On 30/12/2013, at 11:02 PM, Cathryn Warren <cathryn@uandidirect.com.au> wrote: > Hi Elizabeth, > > Congratulations on finding his details. A difficult name! The England > and Wales National Probate Calendar covers 1858-1966 but unfortunately > your death is slightly earlier. Wills prior to 1858 can sometimes be on > the British National Archive site. I've done a search and haven't been > able to locate anything. > > If you contact the Society of Genealogists in the UK > (http://www.sog.org.uk/) they hold the Ledgers of the Bank of England > will abstracts for between 1717 and 1845. > > They may be able to assist you. Alternatively they may be able to locate > further information for you on your 3x great grandfather. > > Have a great new year. > > Best wishes, > Cathryn > Australia > > > On 30/12/2013 7:51 PM, EM OConnell wrote: >> Hello >> >> I am new to this list because after many years of searching I have finally found the final details of my 3x gt grandfather, John Smith of London, "on 11 March 1844, at Dover, John Smith, esq., barrister at law, aged 61" (Kentish Gazette). >> >> Being a barrister I would expect that he would have had a will. To this end I have searched on Discovery online and findmypast but I do not have access to ancestry. I tried bringing up the Kent Wills and Probate 1440-1881, Archdeaconry of Canterbury on the familysearch site but only get 'Image not Available' as I am not able to search this at an LDS Centre. >> >> I believe Film 0189012 would be the correct film, however I also understand there are films of the indexes so I was hoping they may be printed somewhere. >> >> If so, could someone please advise where I may get a lookup of the index to determine whether my John Smith indeed has a will, and whether it would be worthwhile to order a film as I am a long way from the nearest LDS centre. Or, if there is any other way to access these Wills & Probates. >> >> Very many thanks in anticipation and best wishes to everyone for 2014. >> >> Elizabeth O'Connell >> New Zealand >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message