Hello Eileen, Your Frederick Harris - Disembarked Carpathia: New York City on Thursday 18th April 1912 See: http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/frederick-harris.html I'll also send this direct. Regards, Lesley A cousin of mine was a second Class passenger who didn't survive and his body was never recovered.

Hi Listers, Does anyone know if the gravestones in St. Mary & St. Eanwythe at Folkestone have been transcribed. My 5xtimes grandfather John Warrington was buried there 2nd Feb 1866. I have googled the church and there are mentions of the cemetery on line. Google maps looks as though there could be some graves still there. Regards Sylvia in aus.

Good afternoon from New Zealand I am seeking someone that can help me, in 2001 I went to Kew record office and found a great Uncle that was in the Royal Marines (Walmer Chatham Division) I did have the information but since then have changed 2 computers and the information seems to have been lost. If possible is there anyone that can get me his information from Walmer The name is Frederick Harris 1873/74 Hammersmith London I know he enlisted 30 December 1890 not sure how long he did his time but about the end of 1911 he was on the Titanic as a fireman, he was a survivor but haven't any details where he was taken to after being saved I did check Ellis Island but nothing there Any help appreciated Thanks to you all for your help Eileen

In a message dated 23/01/2014 00:15:27 GMT Standard Time, eileen.chapman@outlook.com writes: Good afternoon from New Zealand I am seeking someone that can help me, in 2001 I went to Kew record office and found a great Uncle that was in the Royal Marines (Walmer Chatham Division) I did have the information but since then have changed 2 computers and the information seems to have been lost. If possible is there anyone that can get me his information from Walmer Hello Eileen, You can download his records from the National Archives at KEW for a nominal sum of £3.36, they accept cards Use the following link, then scroll down to his entry, reference ADM 159/74/8428 http://tinyurl.com/my9qcu8 Regards, Jennifer

The local paper is/was The Gravesend and Dartford Reporter.  I went to Whitehill Primary School in the 1940 time frame, and the headmistress was named Bowen, perhaps a sister. HTH, Brian Coy, born Gravesend 1935, now in Tacoma, WA, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger M EVANS" <r.evans441@btinternet.com> To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:50:49 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Frank Charles BOWEN 1894-1957 Dear Listers,   I have very recently learned that Frank Charles Bowen, my 5 times removed cousin, died 26th January 1957 in Gravesend Hospital having "lived" at  10, New Road, Gravesend.   He had served as a Captain in the RN during the 1st World War initially in the Dardanelles but in 1916 transferred to Naval Intelligence, Following the War he became a noted author on maritime issues.   I have been unable to find an on-line source for any obituary.   Would any lister be able to suggest a likely location for my enquiries   Regards   Roger M Evans   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eileen: Do you know if any of your Harris ended up in Jackson County, IL, USA? My Basden/Baseden ancestors came straight from Kent County, England to Jackson County, IL and I am trying to figure out why. That is not the normal migration pattern in the US. They arrived here shortly before October 1851. George -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Chapman Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 6:14 PM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] HARRIS Good afternoon from New Zealand I am seeking someone that can help me, in 2001 I went to Kew record office and found a great Uncle that was in the Royal Marines (Walmer Chatham Division) I did have the information but since then have changed 2 computers and the information seems to have been lost. If possible is there anyone that can get me his information from Walmer The name is Frederick Harris 1873/74 Hammersmith London I know he enlisted 30 December 1890 not sure how long he did his time but about the end of 1911 he was on the Titanic as a fireman, he was a survivor but haven't any details where he was taken to after being saved I did check Ellis Island but nothing there Any help appreciated Thanks to you all for your help Eileen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Roger You need the Gravesend papers! Have you tried putting "British Library Newspapers" into your search engine? They have put a lot of them online but if the one you need isn't there you can email them and ask them to do a search for you. Send them as much information as possible such as date of death, address, names of possible papers etc. They will search the papers for you for up to two weeks past his death date. I had this done on my great grandfather John Bogg when I found from his death cert that he had committed suicide by jumping into the Thames from the Free Woolwich Ferry. British Library Newspapers searched for and found two notices for me in local Woolwich papers. The first was just a footnote of a couple of sentences. The second was more in depth describing an interview between a reporter and John's widow my great grandmother. It was very strange reading the actual words that my great grandmother had spoken. It was so interesting I almost wished I had another one but that wouldn't be kind to my ancestors! They sent me a disclaimer to sign for publishing rights and then they not only sent me the column but the entire pages of each of the broadsheets rolled up into a cardboard tube. It think it cost me £12 i.e. £6 for each but it was a few years ago so it could well be more now! Good Luck Best wishes Frances Lee On 22 January 2014 10:50, Roger M EVANS <r.evans441@btinternet.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > > > I have very recently learned that Frank Charles Bowen, my 5 times removed > cousin, died 26th January 1957 in Gravesend Hospital having "lived" at 10, > New Road, Gravesend. > > > > He had served as a Captain in the RN during the 1st World War initially in > the Dardanelles but in 1916 transferred to Naval Intelligence, Following > the > War he became a noted author on maritime issues. > > > > I have been unable to find an on-line source for any obituary. > > > > Would any lister be able to suggest a likely location for my enquiries > > > > Regards > > > > Roger M Evans > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- --- Regards Frances Lee

Roger The death notice was in the Times 28 Jan 1957. No Obit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Roger M EVANS Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:50 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Frank Charles BOWEN 1894-1957 Dear Listers, I have very recently learned that Frank Charles Bowen, my 5 times removed cousin, died 26th January 1957 in Gravesend Hospital having "lived" at 10, New Road, Gravesend. He had served as a Captain in the RN during the 1st World War initially in the Dardanelles but in 1916 transferred to Naval Intelligence, Following the War he became a noted author on maritime issues. I have been unable to find an on-line source for any obituary. Would any lister be able to suggest a likely location for my enquiries Regards Roger M Evans ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, I have very recently learned that Frank Charles Bowen, my 5 times removed cousin, died 26th January 1957 in Gravesend Hospital having "lived" at 10, New Road, Gravesend. He had served as a Captain in the RN during the 1st World War initially in the Dardanelles but in 1916 transferred to Naval Intelligence, Following the War he became a noted author on maritime issues. I have been unable to find an on-line source for any obituary. Would any lister be able to suggest a likely location for my enquiries Regards Roger M Evans

Hi, They say that good things come to those who wait.... well I've never admitted to being a particularly patient person but after about 30yrs research I had a couple of good things happen tonight with regard to one particular branch of my family. I won't bore you with all the details but I finally found the two 'girls' my Mother spoke of - one of which she wrote to as a young girl. I still have a beautful photo or her which she sent to my Mother. They only other pieces of information I had was that they were around the same age as my mother - Mary was the one she wrote to and Edna was her younger sister. That's all I had to go on apart from their surname of MOODY. I found them - Mary D. and Edna J. MOODY born in 1919 and 1925 respectively in West Ashford, Kent - a bit of a flook really! Then quite by chance I worked out who their father was - I had not been able to find him in the 1911 Census - now I know why... he was living in Wales! He married there in 1912. Mary and Edna's parents were John MOODY and Elizabeth DAVIES. I now know that John died in Ashford Hospital in 1956. I was wondering if anyone recognised this family? Any assistance in finding out more about them, or any hints, would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, in anticipation. Pam

This is a follow-up to my request for help around my 'John Smith of London' a few weeks back. A big thank you to those on this list who helped me out, especially Pauline, as it is certainly great to get some experienced and local advice. So for the record, in case any other descendant passes this way, here is a précis of my John Smith: born c 1783 (based on his age of 58 years in 1841) -> perhaps the John Smith, baptised July 1872, Middlesex, s/o Richard and Mary Smith; also a John Smith, baptised July 1783, Cambridge, s/o Richard and Mary Smith (but John is not born in Cambridgeshire according to the 1841 Census) married c 1807 to Elizabeth (possibly Elizabeth Brabant of Saint Albans, Herts.) 1809 birth of first child, Elizabeth Mary 1810 Henry (later to become Rev) 1814 Edward Brabant (Rev) 1816 Francis John 1817 Ann 1818 Matilda 1820 Jane 1822 - admitted to Gray's Inn, Jan 1822: Smith, John, first son of Richard Smith, of St Albans, Hertfordshire, gent, deceased. 1822 Frederick William (Rev); a BA from Cambridge "and afterwards resident at Dover with his father". 1824 Henrietta 1827 - On Wednesday last, John Smith, Esq. of Bedford-row, and of Revel-end, Herts, was called to the Bar, by the Honourable Society of Gray's Inn. 1841 Census: Parish of Milton (Cambridgeshire) Fen End John SMITH 58 Barrister at Law No (born in this county) Elizabeth Smith 58 N Ann Smith 23 N Matilda Smith 22 N Frederick William Smith 19 N + two servants 1844 Kentish Gazette pub Tuesday 19 March 1844 Death: March 11, at Dover, John Smith, esq. barrister at law, aged 61. 1844 CPC Admons - Index to Death Duty Registers 1796-1903 Intestate: Smith, John; Name & Res of Administrator: Elizabeth Smith, Histon (residence of son the Rev Henry Smith). So although he did not spend much time in Kent, his last days were there and his family lived on there. His wife, Elizabeth died in Ramsgate in 1871. Thanks again for all the generous help Elizabeth O'Connell New Zealand

Hello List I am searching for the family of Thomas Vennison who was married to Ann Crowhurst. On the 1841 Census for Wrotham Hill, I find Thomas Venison aged 81, James Venison aged 47 ,Sarah Venison aged 37 and Alfred Venison aged 3. On the 1851 I find Sarah Venison aged 47 ,and Alfred Venison aged 13, living in the household of George Knight. George Knight was married to Phoebe Venison on the 25th of December 1829 in Plaxtol . A Phoebe Knight died in the Mar 1/4 1844 in Wrotham leaving a 3 year old Daughter named Mary Ann Knight who was my GGG mother. I have never Found a birth or Christening for Phoebe Venison. I believe Phoebe to be a daughter of Thomas Venison and Ann Crowhurst and Sarah Ann to be her sister. Any information proving or Disproving the relationship with Thomas Venison and Ann Crowhurst will be welcomed Thank you in Advance Bob

I would like to acknowledge the kindness of Heather in finding useful information regarding Harriet and Richard. Living in an area where the thin tentacles of broadband do not yet reach (can anyone even remember what it was like on a dial up internet connection?), living in a piece of paradise 100 kilometers away from a library with free search facilities, and having some mobility issues, make me very grateful for the kindness of others. Thank you Heather. Daphne >

Daphne Why not do a pay as you go on ancestry Daphne - it will probably cost you a "tenna" instead of a years subscription. If you havnt got a subscription and are one that refuses to pay for records go to your local library for free or the Family history Society and look at it for free once you join the society John H Day South Australia -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johannes & Daphne-Anne Freeke Sent: Friday, 10 January 2014 5:20 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Harriett Ann COOK & Richard HOARE on 1861 census Richard HOARE ( born circa 1836) and Harriet Ann COOK ( born circa 1831) had two illegitimate children, both born at the Union Work House in Bridge. Stephen Frederick COOK was born 23-July-1853, Richard was acknowledged as father and paid maintenance. William Richard Hoare COOK was born 20-September-1857. No bastardy order found. At the time of the 1861 census Stephen Frederick COOK was recorded as grandson at the home of his mother's parents, Stephen and Mary COOK (f.30, p.21, sched.107, Bolls Hill). William Richard Hoare COOK was recorded as a grandson at the home of his father's parents, Richard and Elizabeth HOARE ( f.27, p.17, sched. 85, Shalmford Street). I have not found the whereabouts of Harriet Ann COOK and Richard HOARE on census night. I do not have a subscription to either ancestry so can only see the free information. I have found a number of women named Harriet COOK with ages varying from 1816 to 1833, all being born and living at a city ( unnamed) in Kent. I would be very interested to know if this is Chartham where the Harriet Ann COOK in question was born and raised. If anyone has time to check this and see who else was in the household, I would be most grateful. Thank you Daphne in the Greta Valley, North Canterbury, New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard HOARE ( born circa 1836) and Harriet Ann COOK ( born circa 1831) had two illegitimate children, both born at the Union Work House in Bridge. Stephen Frederick COOK was born 23-July-1853, Richard was acknowledged as father and paid maintenance. William Richard Hoare COOK was born 20-September-1857. No bastardy order found. At the time of the 1861 census Stephen Frederick COOK was recorded as grandson at the home of his mother's parents, Stephen and Mary COOK (f.30, p.21, sched.107, Bolls Hill). William Richard Hoare COOK was recorded as a grandson at the home of his father's parents, Richard and Elizabeth HOARE ( f.27, p.17, sched. 85, Shalmford Street). I have not found the whereabouts of Harriet Ann COOK and Richard HOARE on census night. I do not have a subscription to either ancestry so can only see the free information. I have found a number of women named Harriet COOK with ages varying from 1816 to 1833, all being born and living at a city ( unnamed) in Kent. I would be very interested to know if this is Chartham where the Harriet Ann COOK in question was born and raised. If anyone has time to check this and see who else was in the household, I would be most grateful. Thank you Daphne in the Greta Valley, North Canterbury, New Zealand

Dear Dennis Thank you for the reprimand - reminded me of my achool reports of some 65 years ago - "Philippa is sometimes loose with the facts". I should have said birth details rather than used the word certificate. Came from the family bible in his mother's handwriting. I am actually aware that registration didn't commence until 1835. Thank you for the reminder. Cheers Philippa ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:10:59 -0000 From: "dennis bramble" <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Frederick Friend To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <610B73A4B12F40EEA4C606F68C4CCAE8@emachine> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, {Philippa Cooper states that she has a birth certificate for an ancestor dated 1829? Please Philippa can you tell us what you call a birth certificate in this case. If you are referring to an English or Welsh birth it could not be what is understood as a birth certificate as registration that provides b.m.d. certificates did not start until 1st. July 1837. If there are other institutions, countries, churches etc., that issued such certificates previous to 1837 it would be of interest to us all. Regards, Dennis Bramble.

Hello Philippa, No reprimand intended. My thoughts were for the new researchers who may have got the idea that they should look for bmd certificates issued previous to 1837. Regards, Dennis. -----Original Message----- From: Philippa Cooper Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:07 AM To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] KENT-ENG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 Dear Dennis Thank you for the reprimand - reminded me of my achool reports of some 65 years ago - "Philippa is sometimes loose with the facts". I should have said birth details rather than used the word certificate. Came from the family bible in his mother's handwriting. I am actually aware that registration didn't commence until 1835. Thank you for the reminder. Cheers Philippa ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 11:10:59 -0000 From: "dennis bramble" <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Frederick Friend To: <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <610B73A4B12F40EEA4C606F68C4CCAE8@emachine> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, {Philippa Cooper states that she has a birth certificate for an ancestor dated 1829? Please Philippa can you tell us what you call a birth certificate in this case. If you are referring to an English or Welsh birth it could not be what is understood as a birth certificate as registration that provides b.m.d. certificates did not start until 1st. July 1837. If there are other institutions, countries, churches etc., that issued such certificates previous to 1837 it would be of interest to us all. Regards, Dennis Bramble. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry everyone - finger trouble. GGfather FREDERICK FRIEND was born 1829, not 1629. I have his birth certificate. I have also the birth details of Elizabeth Turk Friend 14/6/1801 in Peasmarsh. The reason I am asking for help from the Kent list is that I understand there are a lot of FRIENDS in Kent and maybe Elizabeth may fit into one of those families. Philippa from Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of kent-eng-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 6:30 PM To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com Subject: KENT-ENG Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3 Today's Topics: 1. Elizabeth Turk Friend (Philippa Cooper) 2. Re: Elizabeth Turk Friend (Caroline Bradford) 3. Re: Elizabeth Turk Friend (Caroline Bradford) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:57:30 +1030 From: "Philippa Cooper" <pkcooper@aapt.net.au> Subject: [KENT-ENG] Elizabeth Turk Friend To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <015F9C0690FD4401A3188B37292AC54A@pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My 2nd ggmother Elizabeth Turk Friend was the illegitimate daughter of Ann Friend, of Peasmarsh, Sussex. When she bore my ggrandfather, Frederick Friend, on 2/10/1629. she named his father as John Friend. She had Frederick in Paddington, London. This leads me to believe she went away to have the baby or perhaps she was working there. Either way, this is a huge brick wall for me, not to be able to go back any further. I am addressing this to the Kent list since I know there are lots of Friends in Kent, but I have a feeling there is a need to go back to the Turk family, that of Elizabeths "father" as well. In other words it's a mess. Can anyone help me?' Cheers Philippa in Adelaide, South Australia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 09:51:54 +0000 From: Caroline Bradford <caroline.bradford@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Elizabeth Turk Friend To: "kent-eng@rootsweb.com" <kent-eng@rootsweb.com> Cc: "<KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com>" <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <391090C2-5C78-4E7C-9C43-68F2B253B9E9@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Philippa Could you be a bit more specific about your dates and sources? Are you sure your great grandfather was born nearly 400 years ago? Caroline

Hi Everyone, Is anyone related to the Warringtons of Hythe. I have traced all the sisters of my 3xgrandmother except Jane. She was born c1826 at  Hythe, Kent and baptised 5th Feb 1826 at Hythe. Father John and Mother Elizabeth nee Wincles she died 1827. In 1841 she is with her father and stepmother, Eliza nee Pantry at Paradise St. Dover and step siblings, Matilda, Thomas, Lavinia and James. Father John's birth date is wrongly transcribed on ancestry as 15. he was born 1793. 1851 She is still with the family at 58 Dover St, Folkestone and then disappears. There is a marriage at Meday 1862, this is not her, I found it on Cityark. There is a death in Maidstone, not her as I traced her back with husband, his name was Warrington. There are various other mariages that could be her, but when I had a sub I looked at all following census under each name and nothing looked even remotely promising. So maybe she was married and the marriage is missing, she did no marry and lived under a different name or died soon after with a married name and the possibilities go on. So I am hoping that someone can wave a magic wand, or is related to her. Kind regards Sylvia

Hello, {Philippa Cooper states that she has a birth certificate for an ancestor dated 1829? Please Philippa can you tell us what you call a birth certificate in this case. If you are referring to an English or Welsh birth it could not be what is understood as a birth certificate as registration that provides b.m.d. certificates did not start until 1st. July 1837. If there are other institutions, countries, churches etc., that issued such certificates previous to 1837 it would be of interest to us all. Regards, Dennis Bramble.