Good Morning Does anyone know the location of Whitemead Cottages, Tonbridge, Kent that existed in 1904, or where I could perhaps find the infomation from on-line, please? Thanks and regards Chris Page

Hi Barbara, I couldn't find Faversham's records anywhere online. You may have to go to your nearest LDS family history centre and order in the film to check the entry - http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=695188&disp=Parish+registers+for+Faversham++ The LDS also has a lot more available on Faversham, if you want to dig a bit deeper for this couple's history - http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=14427&subject_disp=England%2C+Kent%2C+Faversham&columns=*,0,0 Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > I'm still trying to find out about my 3g grandparents James ADDLEY and > Frances KEELER. I believe they were married in St Mary's Faversham on 2nd > May 1835. > Does anyone have access to these PRs and could tell me what the full entry > says.

Thanks Daryl :) Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Rathbone" <ruthrath@gmail.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:40 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Ancestry > Hi, > > Off topic and I apologise but how long would it take to get a reply from > the company when you guys are so great! > > Have any other Australian members with subscriptions to Ancestry.co.uk, > found that logging in this morning is defaulting to Ancestry.com.au. > > Have you found a way round it? > > :) > Ruth > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Off topic and I apologise but how long would it take to get a reply from the company when you guys are so great! Have any other Australian members with subscriptions to Ancestry.co.uk, found that logging in this morning is defaulting to Ancestry.com.au. Have you found a way round it? :) Ruth Australia

2010/1/16 steadec@aol.com wrote > > II am very interested in the comments about Quakers imprisoned in Dover > Castle. I am wondering if ............ Brownists ....may have also been > kept in the Castle, and if so, whether there is > list of these prisoners. > > Does anyone know? > > Hello Steade, Interesting that ! I wonder if there is any chance of the practice being revived ? The dungeons are still there and must be rather uncomfortable ! Sid > > -

Hello Berry, I can't tell you exactly when "Settlement Examinations" as such. ceased to be conducted though I can tell you that the whole context of settlement and removal which inevitably would have involved some form of "examination", was still causing controversy in 1854 when there was a Settlement and Removal Bill going through Parliament . I have not as yet found evidence that the Bill was passed, but the whole question of Settlement and how, and indeed whether, it should continue as a determinant of who paid for the relief of the poor probably continued until Unions and Guardians were abolished by the Local Government Act of 1929 and their functions transferred to new Public Assistance Authorities' Sid 2010/1/16 Berry Wraight berry.wraight@googlemail.com wrote > Hi Richard > > Following your point about the poor laws, can you tell me when the > settlement exam stopped being the norm and, what prompted such an > examination? This may help me to pin point my Gx3 grandfather - at last!!! > - > assuming I can find him in the settlement records if they still exist. > >

I'm still trying to find out about my 3g grandparents James ADDLEY and Frances KEELER. I believe they were married in St Mary's Faversham on 2nd May 1835. Does anyone have access to these PRs and could tell me what the full entry says.

Hi Richard Following your point about the poor laws, can you tell me when the settlement exam stopped being the norm and, what prompted such an examination? This may help me to pin point my Gx3 grandfather - at last!!! - assuming I can find him in the settlement records if they still exist. Many thanks Berry 2010/1/16 Richard M Brown <brownrichardm@yahoo.co.uk> > Hi Helen, > > I will try to answer part of your query. > > The expression "Living in the parish" does, I believe, indicate that the > person was not born in the parish, but had settled there. Under the Poor > Laws, there were conditions that the migrant poor had to satisfy, when > examined by a local official, before being allowed to settle in a parish. If > an applicant failed to pass the criteria for settlement, then they were > returned to where they came from. So, it may well be worth your while > checking the settlement records for the parish in which the DAVEY family > lived. > > My explanation of Settlement Exams is a sketchy one, and probably > misleading, but Settlement records are well worth checking out. > > In FreeBMD I looked for the death of Edmund DAVEY - the finds follow. > > Deaths Jun 1842 (>99%) > DAVEY Edmund Chard 10 252 > DAVEY Edmund > Kenyon Halstead 12 91 > Deaths Sep 1848 (>99%) > Davey Edmund Okehampton 10 108 > Deaths Mar 1851 (>99%) > DAVEY Edmund Brighton 7 241 > Deaths Jun 1853 (>99%) > DAVEY Edmund Cuckfield 2b 87 > > > The Halstead, Kent entry may be of interest if you think the family moved > to Kent. Halstead is on the hills above Sevenoaks. > > I heaven't looked up anything else in FreeBMD, but it's worth a try under > your own steam. > Richard Brown > Bromley, Kent > U.K. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:48 -0700 > From: "Helen Carlisle" <helencarlisle@comcast.net> > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Greenwich History > > Could anybody with more knowledge of the area's history be able to help as > I am trying to find an ancestor who appeared in Essex in 1814 but we cannot > trace where he came from. (Not Kent, I know, but please bear with me). > > I have an EDMUND DAVEY born 1814 in Kelvendon Hatch, Essex to Joseph (a > labourer) and Elizabeth. Joseph is noted has "living in the parish" which > I am assuming means that he was not from Kelvedon Hatch as such. > > :=>< SNIP > > Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. > > Kind regards to all > Helen > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Correct version - Sorry for previous incomplete request My ancestor GEORGE KEMSLEY was at the Dark Sun Public House in Chatham High Street in the 1841 Census. Can anyone tell me if this still exists. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Vera Lennard g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009

Interestingly, a Henry Jarrett was at the pub in 1840 so that gives a date when George moved in. The last entry for the pub I can find is 1881. Maybe someone would know if its a private house today or if it was swept away. I did find this on Cityark which lists George Kemsley as having the White Horse of Chatham Hill in 1826 Result number 16176 - Please quote Reference: Medway_Council_1997_Date/EL_LEI_LIM_GM_01_65 on request slip. Path: Local_Government_Authorities_1227_Date/ Medway_Council_1997_Date/ Education_and_Leisure/ Leisure_Division/ Libraries_Information_and_Museums_Service/ Guildhall_Museum_01/ EL_LEI_LIM_GM_01_65.htmlRecords transferred by the Museum Curator, Guildhall Museum, High Street, Rochester, Libraries, Information and Museums Service, Leisure Division, Education and Leisure Directorate, Medway Council, comprising in general manuscripts, or manuscript portions of combined printed matter, artefacts and MSS deposits, originally mainly either donated to the museum or stemming from the former occupancy by the Town Clerk of Rochester of the Guildhall prior to 1974, unless otherwise stated. Depositions in respect of robbery of mail coach on 6/7 June 1826, made by George Hallard of the George Inn, Rochester; Mrs. Wootten of the George Inn, Rochester; William Lea, bailiff of Woodland [cf. Woodlands] Farm, Gillingham; John Landen, keeper of the turnpike gate at Chatham Hill; Charles Rummen of the Star public house, Rochester [or Chatham]; Edward Sayer driver of a fish cart; George Copeland, housekeeper at the Star as above; John Millgate, driver of the mail coach; Richard Gardener, officer of Bow Street [London]; George Marriner of Chatham, shoemaker; William Henry Wiles [cf. Wyles], horsekeeper at the Star as above; John Wiles, also horsekeeper at the Star as above; William Sutton, horsekeeper at the Star as above; Mary Rummens [cf. Rummen]; George Kemsley, keeper of the White Horse, Chatham Hill; William Greensted, keeper of the Dark Sun, Chatham; [-] Beaumont of Rainham, master shoemaker. [Accession MTC/MR/89 (part)] File updated by Borough Archivist, Medway Council 2 November 2004. Date: June 1826 Quantity: 2 items, paper ________________________________ From: "g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk" <g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk> To: KENT-ENg@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 16 January, 2010 15:02:31 Subject: [KENT-ENG] The Dark Sun Chatham Correct version - Sorry for previous incomplete request My ancestor GEORGE KEMSLEY was at the Dark Sun Public House in Chatham High Street in the 1841 Census. Can anyone tell me if this still exists. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Vera Lennard g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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My ancestor GEORGE KEMSLEY was at the Dark Sun Public House in the 1841 Census. Please does anyone know if this still exists or what is there now. Any information would be gratefully received Vera Lennard g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009

Hi Vera >From doing a search I assume you're talking about the Dark Sun, Chatham. You'd have to check with someone who knows Chatham but I can't see it on a list of Chatham Pubs at 1913 which I found online. Regards Sue -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk Sent: 16 January 2010 13:08 To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] The Dark Sun My ancestor GEORGE KEMSLEY was at the Dark Sun Public House in the 1841 Census. Please does anyone know if this still exists or what is there now. Any information would be gratefully received Vera Lennard g3vps@tinyworld.co.uk 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 1/14/2010 2:07:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, smithjiv@googlemail.com writes: My ancestors Thomas Tunbridge and William Beane, both Quakers, were imprisoned a number of times in horrific conditions in Dover Castle between 1656 and 1684, but I can find no record of Dover Castle and its prisoners in that period. I found the details of their imprisonment in the book 'Sufferings of Early Quakers', but would be grateful if anyone could tell me of any other sources of information I could use to find out more. Joan Smith. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hello, I am very interested in the comments about Quakers imprisoned in Dover Castle. I am wondering if earlier Separatists, such as Brownists and other Puritans, may have also been kept in the Castle, and if so, whether there is list of these prisoners. Does anyone know? Regards, Steade

Hi Helen, I will try to answer part of your query. The expression "Living in the parish" does, I believe, indicate that the person was not born in the parish, but had settled there. Under the Poor Laws, there were conditions that the migrant poor had to satisfy, when examined by a local official, before being allowed to settle in a parish. If an applicant failed to pass the criteria for settlement, then they were returned to where they came from. So, it may well be worth your while checking the settlement records for the parish in which the DAVEY family lived. My explanation of Settlement Exams is a sketchy one, and probably misleading, but Settlement records are well worth checking out. In FreeBMD I looked for the death of Edmund DAVEY - the finds follow. Deaths Jun 1842 (>99%) DAVEY Edmund Chard 10 252 DAVEY Edmund Kenyon Halstead 12 91 Deaths Sep 1848 (>99%) Davey Edmund Okehampton 10 108 Deaths Mar 1851 (>99%) DAVEY Edmund Brighton 7 241 Deaths Jun 1853 (>99%) DAVEY Edmund Cuckfield 2b 87 The Halstead, Kent entry may be of interest if you think the family moved to Kent. Halstead is on the hills above Sevenoaks. I heaven't looked up anything else in FreeBMD, but it's worth a try under your own steam. Richard Brown Bromley, Kent U.K. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:51:48 -0700 From: "Helen Carlisle" <helencarlisle@comcast.net> Subject: [KENT-ENG] Greenwich History Could anybody with more knowledge of the area's history be able to help as I am trying to find an ancestor who appeared in Essex in 1814 but we cannot trace where he came from. (Not Kent, I know, but please bear with me). I have an EDMUND DAVEY born 1814 in Kelvendon Hatch, Essex to Joseph (a labourer) and Elizabeth. Joseph is noted has "living in the parish" which I am assuming means that he was not from Kelvedon Hatch as such. :=>< SNIP Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Kind regards to all Helen

Chris, is this him? Carol William Mankelow Year of Registration: 1863 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Tonbridge County: Kent, Sussex Volume: 2a Page: 469 > > I am particularly interested in William MANKELOW, born about 1863 in > Tonbridge who married Annie Marie COLE. They are shown in the 1901 > and 1911 Censuses living in Shipbourne Road, Tonbridge with their > family. They emigrated to Canada in 1914. > > I am unable to find a reference to either William's birth or their > marriage in the GRO Index, as I would like to obtain a copy of the > certificates.

Could anybody with more knowledge of the area's history be able to help as I am trying to find an ancestor who appeared in Essex in 1814 but we cannot trace where he came from. (Not Kent, I know, but please bear with me). I have an EDMUND DAVEY born 1814 in Kelvendon Hatch, Essex to Joseph (a labourer) and Elizabeth. Joseph is noted has "living in the parish" which I am assuming means that he was not from Kelvedon Hatch as such. There is also no record of any other children being born in Kelvedon Hatch, so I am wondering if the family possibly moved after Edmund's birth. I realise that this would not tell me where he came from, but I wonder if he moved on. There are some DAVY families around Greenwich in 1819 and on. My question is, is it at all possible that there could have been a reason that the family might have moved from Essex to Kent around about that time. What sort of work might have been available at that time for a labourer in that particular area. I have looked at the Greenwich Museum (which was I think built a lot later, but was in old existing buildings) and also the Woolwich Arsenal and these seem possibilities but I was wondering if anybody might know of any other avenues I could explore. I cannot find JOSEPH on the 1851 census with a wife Elizabeth so have had no success in finding him and suspect that he might well have died by that time. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated. Kind regards to all Helen

Hi Chris I've done a search with various wildcards, etc on Ancestry and FreeBMD with no joy. I did find this site http://mckellow.com/familytree/index.html which mentions your couple but you're probably aware of it anyway. Just a couple of questions. How do you know the surname of the wife? Was it on the birth certs of the children? There's always the possibility that they never married, or the marriage details never got as far as the Index registration. FamilySearch has a submitted entry which says the marriage was about 1884 in Hildenborough. There is also a submitted Pedigree Resource File for a William MANKELOW with parents Charles MANKELOW and Annie COLE, which matches up with Nivard's find. Annie, however, is born in Suffolk. Where does she say she was born in the census? HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Page" <chris@g4bue.com> To: <KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:06 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] COLE and MANKELOW Families > Does anyone have an interest in the COLE and/or MANKELOW (and > variation) families of the Tonbridge area in the late 19th century, > please? > > I am particularly interested in William MANKELOW, born about 1863 in > Tonbridge who married Annie Marie COLE. They are shown in the 1901 > and 1911 Censuses living in Shipbourne Road, Tonbridge with their > family. They emigrated to Canada in 1914. > > I am unable to find a reference to either William's birth or their > marriage in the GRO Index, as I would like to obtain a copy of the > certificates. > > Does anyone have access to the Baptism and Marriage records for > Tonbridge, please? > > Thanks for any help. > > Chris Page > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does anyone have an interest in the COLE and/or MANKELOW (and variation) families of the Tonbridge area in the late 19th century, please? I am particularly interested in William MANKELOW, born about 1863 in Tonbridge who married Annie Marie COLE. They are shown in the 1901 and 1911 Censuses living in Shipbourne Road, Tonbridge with their family. They emigrated to Canada in 1914. I am unable to find a reference to either William's birth or their marriage in the GRO Index, as I would like to obtain a copy of the certificates. Does anyone have access to the Baptism and Marriage records for Tonbridge, please? Thanks for any help. Chris Page

Dennis I agree,, I have one that married 5 times..in Scotland...Must be something in the water... Mary Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "dennis bramble" <d.bramble@mypostoffice.co.uk> To: "Suzannah Foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com>; <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Faversham CMB prior to 1620 > It is said,"One wife is enough for any man". Five is surely more than > enough > for any family historian? > > Dennis Bramble. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzannah Foad" <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> > To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:20 PM > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Faversham CMB prior to 1620 > > >> Could a kind soul tell me if there are any available records for >> Faversham >> prior to 1620. The Kent Family History Society have Christenings, >> marriages and burials from 1620 onwards on CD 02/07 but my 11 x Great >> Grandfather was born in Faversham c.1575 and married three of his five >> wives here. >> Any help would be greatly appreciated >> Thank you >> Suzannah >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >