muddcity wrote: > Hi > > I just rejoined the Kent list tonight as i had left to give myself > a break > > But have started digging again for my own ancestors as well as > helping a friend. I am hoping that someone can help me decipher > something on a birth cert. > > I sent off for my friends mothers birth certficate. She was born in > Sand St in Woolwich, but the entry where the date of birth is there > are two extra lines of script. > > It says > > 30th Nov 1894 H - M 5 - am 49 Sand St > > Its the H - M that I am puzzled about. We think she was a twin > and I am lucky in that it gives the time of birth. The time does suggest she was a twin but doesn't necessarily prove she was. A quick way to check is to click on the page number to see what other children were registered on that page. Another way is to restrict your search to just that surname (no given name), year and registration district. That would pick up a possible twin on either the preceding or following page. If there is an apparent twin, don't assume it is. I found what I thought was twins, especially as they had a fairly unusual surname. They turned out not be twins but cousins. Have you checked on Ancestry's London CMBs? I've found several Woolwich events there. > but can anyone suggest what the H-M is about. That has me beat :( I've not come across it before. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hours, Minutes ? with no entry for minutes part. If you think it's a twin, you could try inputting the district code and number only on Free BMD births ( like you can do for marriages) Try with the number one greater and one less as well. In message <88c0a7c41002051105i1981048amc795c51a168760fe@mail.gmail.com>, muddcity <muddcity@gmail.com> writes >Hi > >I just rejoined the Kent list tonight as i had left to give myself a break > >But have started digging again for my own ancestors as well as helping a >friend. I am hoping that someone can help me decipher something on a birth >cert. > >I sent off for my friends mothers birth certficate. She was born in Sand St >in Woolwich, but the entry where the date of birth is there are two extra >lines of script. > >It says > >30th Nov 1894 >H - M >5 - am >49 Sand St > >Its the H - M that I am puzzled about. We think she was a twin and I am >lucky in that it gives the time of birth. but can anyone suggest what the >H-M is about. > >Thanks for any help and suggestions > >Lynn > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Chris Whitehead

Hi I just rejoined the Kent list tonight as i had left to give myself a break But have started digging again for my own ancestors as well as helping a friend. I am hoping that someone can help me decipher something on a birth cert. I sent off for my friends mothers birth certficate. She was born in Sand St in Woolwich, but the entry where the date of birth is there are two extra lines of script. It says 30th Nov 1894 H - M 5 - am 49 Sand St Its the H - M that I am puzzled about. We think she was a twin and I am lucky in that it gives the time of birth. but can anyone suggest what the H-M is about. Thanks for any help and suggestions Lynn

Have you searched for Baptism ? - Ill babies - were baptised sometimes at birth from what I recall reading at other Mail Lists - a few years back. Midwives etc - could baptize a baby if there was no clergy available - Don't know how this would be recorded. At 05:22 PM 05/02/2010, Terry Taylor wrote: >The certificate probably won't tell you whether she is a twin. My great >grandmother's birth certificate states that she was born at "30 minutes past >6 A.M.", which I thought strange but no indication of her being a twin. I >didn't even think of that either, as there was no close sibling on any >census. Eventually another family member told me that she'd had a twin >brother who died quite soon after birth. He is present on FreeBMD with >exactly the same details and one of these days I'll spring for his birth >certificate too to see what time he was born. >Terry, Oakville, Ontario > > >but I won't say for sure she is a twin until I obtain the >certificate, but its likely. > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Charani Yes there was an outbreak of cholera in Britain, 1853-1854. I believe that hospital ships were initially for sailors but that other sick citizens were also admitted. There were hospital ship/ships in the area you are searching. Yes, I am pretty sure the C would have indicated cholera. If you google "hospital ships cholera" you will get masses of information, apologies if you have already done this. regards Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@googlemail.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Hospital Ship and C > Whilst tracking down the death of my George LEWIS in Greenwich between > 1851 and 1861 I came across three others (apart from mine) all of whom > had their abode as "Hospital Ship" and a "C" against their names. > There were also several pages of others with the same abode with "C" > by their names. > > Would "Hospital Ship" suggest these men were sailors or would it have > been a vessel that was used as an isolation hospital if the "C" stood > for cholera? Was there a cholera outbreak between 1851 and 1854? > > My George wasn't one of the unfortunates. I'm just curious about the > other deaths. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if anyone can help me, please? I am trying to find out something about E. A. Elcombe, photographers of 162 High Street, Tonbridge, Kent, who I believe existed around 1900, but I am not sure of the exact time they were in business. Does anyone have any knowledge of the business and/or have a trade directory that they can check for me, please? Thanks for any help. Christopher J Page

Hi Charani There used to be hospital ships at Long reach there was 1 ship called the Castalia, from what I can see is as they were for smallpox sufferers then it maybe the C is for that ship http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?MAB-HospitalShips/MAB-HospitalShips.shtml this tells you about them Lynne Berntsson Sweden ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@googlemail.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 5:55 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Hospital Ship and C > Whilst tracking down the death of my George LEWIS in Greenwich between > 1851 and 1861 I came across three others (apart from mine) all of whom > had their abode as "Hospital Ship" and a "C" against their names. > There were also several pages of others with the same abode with "C" > by their names. > > Would "Hospital Ship" suggest these men were sailors or would it have > been a vessel that was used as an isolation hospital if the "C" stood > for cholera? Was there a cholera outbreak between 1851 and 1854? > > My George wasn't one of the unfortunates. I'm just curious about the > other deaths. > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From St. James' s Chronicle or The British Evening Post ( London, England ), Saturday, August 7, 1762; Issue 221. Yesterday a free Pardon was sent into Kent for Thomas BARNARD, who was convicted of Robbery at the last Assize for that County, on condition of his serving as a Soldier abroad.

>From Whitehall Evening Post or London Intelligencer ( London, England ), Saturday, August 12, 1749; Issue 548. COUNTRY NEWS. Canterbury, August 12. - A few Days ago died, in the Parish of St. Dunstan's, in the Hundred Year of his Age, Mr. David GILL, who was in the Procession on Boughton-Hill, at the Restoration of King Charles the Second.

>From Whitehall Evening Post or London Intelligencer ( London, England ), Saturday, August 12, 1749; Issue 548. MARRIED. Tuesday last was married at Tunbridge, Alexander PHILPOT, Esq., of that Town, to Miss Anne JENKINS, Daughter of - JENKINS, Esq., of Golden-Square.

Whilst tracking down the death of my George LEWIS in Greenwich between 1851 and 1861 I came across three others (apart from mine) all of whom had their abode as "Hospital Ship" and a "C" against their names. There were also several pages of others with the same abode with "C" by their names. Would "Hospital Ship" suggest these men were sailors or would it have been a vessel that was used as an isolation hospital if the "C" stood for cholera? Was there a cholera outbreak between 1851 and 1854? My George wasn't one of the unfortunates. I'm just curious about the other deaths. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

>From Bell's Weekly Messenger ( London, England ), Sunday, May 28, 1797; Issue 57. ANECDOTE. ORIGIN OF DRINKING HEALTHS. In this country was pertinent and sensible Rowena, a beautiful daughter of HENGISTUS, General of the Saxons, who having the Isle of Thanet given him by King VORTIGERN for assisting against the Picts and Scots, obtained as much ground as he could encompass with an ox's hide to build a castle, which being completed, he invited VORTIGERN to supper: after the entertainment, HENGIST called for his daughter Rowena, who entered with great dignity and magnificence, carrying a golden bowl full of wine in her hand, out of which she drank, and in the Saxon language said, "Be of health, Lord King." To this VORTIGERN replied, "drink health." This is the first health which we hear of in history, and boasts an antiquity of "thirteen hundred years." The story adds, that the King VORTIGERN, enamoured with Rowena's beauty, married her in a short time after, and gave her father the whole kingdom of Kent.

Harvey, Roger of Folkestone, seaman, bachelor aged 20, whose father consents and Mary Johnson  s, p, Spinster aged 26 at St Margaret or St Mary Bredin Canterbury, Sam Johnson of Folkestone bonds 7th Dec 1676. >From the KFHS CD Regards Suzannah ----- Original Message ---- From: Santa Traugott <strau@umich.edu> To: kent-eng@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 3 February, 2010 19:37:43 Subject: [KENT-ENG] Marriage of Roger HARVEY and Mary JOHNSON 1676 This marriage took place, at least according to IGI, in Dec. of 1676, at St. Margaret's in Canterbury. I am deeply interested in knowing whether Mary Johnson was described as a widow in the marriage record.  I don't see any marriage allegations that would help, so am hoping someone with access to St. Margaret;s records sould be so good as to look this up for me. Santa T. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This marriage took place, at least according to IGI, in Dec. of 1676, at St. Margaret's in Canterbury. I am deeply interested in knowing whether Mary Johnson was described as a widow in the marriage record. I don't see any marriage allegations that would help, so am hoping someone with access to St. Margaret;s records sould be so good as to look this up for me. Santa T.

Hi everyone, I have been looking for years for the deaths of my Grandparents but to no avail. The information I have is that my mother visited them on an Estate when she was a teenager (she was born 1920) at Sevonoaks,Kent. My grandparents names are: HENRY JOSEPH HEAD born 1867 Marylebone,London, Gardener EMILY GEORGINA HEAD (nee COX) born abt September 1862 Coventry,Warwickshire I had thought I might have found my Grandfather's Death as found one for Henry J Head at Sittingbourne,Kent, which I understood was close to Sevonoaks. I have today received the Death Certificate but it would appear to be incorrect as it shows the name to be HENRY JOHN HEAD living at 5 Victoria Place, Farnham,Kent. He is 83 years of age. If anyone is interested in having a copy of this Death Certificate please email me direct. If anyone can help me found my Grandparents deaths I would be most appreciative. Jacky

I did a search on Ancestry.com, and there were 29 Henry J Heads. There is one dying in 1951 in Andover, Hants, aged 84, and his age matches your information. June quarter 1951, Andover 6b 57. There is an entry for Emily G Head, registered in December quarter 1946, aged 84, Hendon 5f 18. I think these might be the ones you're after. Regards James Butler Quoting Jacky <jacky.s.gen@xtra.co.nz>: > Hi everyone, > > I have been looking for years for the deaths of my Grandparents but to no > avail. The information I have is that my mother visited them on an Estate > when she was a teenager (she was born 1920) at Sevonoaks,Kent. My > grandparents names are: > > HENRY JOSEPH HEAD born 1867 Marylebone,London, Gardener > EMILY GEORGINA HEAD (nee COX) born abt September 1862 Coventry,Warwickshire > > I had thought I might have found my Grandfather's Death as found one for > Henry J Head at Sittingbourne,Kent, which I understood was close to > Sevonoaks. > > I have today received the Death Certificate but it would appear to be > incorrect as it shows the name to be > > HENRY JOHN HEAD living at 5 Victoria Place, Farnham,Kent. He is 83 years of > age. If anyone is interested in having a copy of this Death Certificate > please email me direct. > > If anyone can help me found my Grandparents deaths I would be most > appreciative. > > Jacky > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au

Try looking at Rainham, Kent. My ancester was listed as STROUD, Glos, on the 1881 census, only to have been mistranscribed, This should have been STROOD, Kent, but on research that was the way they used to say and spell it. She always gives STROOD, but she was baptised in Rainham her father was also a brickmaker. Lynne

>From Jackson's Oxford Journal, Saturday, March 14, 1863; Issue 5733. MARRIED. March 12, at Ewelme Church, Oxon, by the Rev. Mr. LAMBERT, James Parsons FRANKLIN, youngest son of John FRANKLIN, Esq., of Ewelme, to Catherine, youngest daughter of the late William WIGGINS, Esq., of Bridge-street, Black Friar's, London, and Herne Bay, Kent.

Suggest you add details of cert as a postem to freebmd, easy to do. If anyone is interested in having a copy of this Death Certificate please email me direct.