As I sent the reply under a separate email account it was not posted to the list. "I have used Parloc however I find http://maps.familysearch.org is a worthwhile alternative. Not only showing the adjacent parishes but also listing them by their respective distances." Andy Claxton

AncestryAid at _http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/_ (http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/) Please has anyone managed to register with this site? I have tried clicking every which way but always get a '404 error' Not Found The requested URL /boards/register.php was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Has this site gone down? Is it any good?? Best regards Lozzie T

Thanks to everyone for all the information and taking the time to reply! As luck would have it, some time after I'd asked my question, I read in the same school log book, some months later, that the head teacher had received an "Arnold's Revolving Tots Frame". I tried 'Googling' this, with no success, until today when up popped an ebook, on education in the 1890s, with the two following statements. On what "tots" were:- "Tots. - A footnote to Schedule L in the Code requires the inspector to demand of scholars of the Fourth Standard and upwards the addition of columns of pounds, shillings, and pence within a specified time, in order to show readiness and accuracy. Occasionally a long column of figures may be written in the sight of the scholars, and they may be required to name in quick succession the results of each addition as the inspector or teacher points to the several figures in any order." Then it goes on:- "Arnold's Revolving Tots. - This piece of apparatus consists of a revolving sheet of figures, which can be covered so far as is desired by a revolving curtain. Both sheet and curtain are worked by screws at the top right-hand corner of the frame." The book was, basically, a teacher's guide to the 1890 Education Code and it's requirements, and it was published in 1897 (there were some later editions in the early 1900s). My grandfather, in 1895, as head teacher, must have worked to that code and, probably, that book. Sorry for the long explanation but I couldn't think how to shorten it! Thanks to all once again, John

Hi Everyone, I am looking for a marriage for a JOHN COCKING to MARY around 1718/1719. Possible around DEAL - 2 children christened there in 1720, other christened later in WINGHAM. Anyone else researching COCKING"s in KENT? Thanks so much for your help, Lorna

Lynda, Although I have a lot of County OS Atlases I tend to use them for checking place spellings. I find Multimap to be a good site for checking distances and it's route finder also has an option to select Walking as opposed to driving and although it does not then use footpaths - it does give you some idea of the time it would take to walk from A to B. Something we tend to forget, if a place is 6 miles away then if the road joining them is 60 MPH limits then its 10 minutes by car but a good 90 minutes to 2 hours walking. Because you can set the departure & arrival points it is a bit more accurate then just calculating the distance between the two places. Multimap also has the option to view OS maps this function I use quite often when trying to decipher farm names or the obscure local names for areas that are outside the village or town where the Census is centred. Also the OS maps will show the dis-used railways etc. The OS maps also show the contours so you can get an idea of the gradients involved. Somewhere might only be 2 miles down the road but if its up a steep hill it is obviously going to take longer to walk then if its on the flat. Google Earth also has a measuring system built in where you can manually measure distance, and specify the units of measurement, although for anything but a straight line it can be a bit time consuming but then you are not limited to the routes of modern roads. A long time since I've used it though. Regards Kevin (England)

Hi there, I confirm that Terry, from my early school days in late 1930s - they were used in infants' classes - and I didn't have courage enough before your message to suggest this rather being as it were "waylaid" by another subscriber's confident reference to "mental arithmetic" - which I also remember at a senior school much much later on, which mental arithmetic tests were the very first form/class test lesson of the morning. I bow my head in shame to confess I did not enjoy them very much! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Taylor" <trees.taylor@sympatico.ca> To: "Kent-L" <KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] "Long Tots" > Hi, > This brings back memories! > > What we were given "Tots" to do at school in the 50s, they were tables of > numbers that were added (i.e. totted up) across rows and down columns. > Obviously since the number in the bottom right cell is the sum of the > bottom > line and the sum of the last column, they should be the same. If they > were > different, you had an error somewhere! > > Terry, Oakville, Ontario > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As well as using Parloc, I have three atlases. The OS one is 3 miles to an inch, Collins 1:200,000 (3.2m per inch). The other is hiding so I can't remember, but it's a similar scale. They vary as to their inclusion of small places - hence three of them. I use both "Parishes within radius X" as both list and plot, also 'X is 12 miles SE of Y" for the case where I can find a major X but not my minor Y on the map. Some form of Y's name may appear about where it should. The Parloc database references are to the SW corner of the 1 km grid in which the parish lies, so distances are not exact. Brian Fleming Melbourne

Mention of Castle Gresley with the surname of PEDEN. Alexander Peden in 1881 was a BREWER in Castle Gresley. would this have been the BASS Brewery please? He had married in 1871, some of the children were born in a variety of places from Walmer, Kent to Shirley in Surrey. and Agnes at Castle Gresley, he was married to MARY ANN EMILY HOLTUM. she was born at Walmer in Kent. to John Stephen Holtum and Elizabeth Lloyd Holtum nee Yates. They came to NZ in 1897. He worked in Christchurch, South Island in 1906 as a Brewer. but then shifted to CARTERTON, he became our town's Librarian.. slight change from a Brewer, but so many of our early settlers were able to take on other jobs. His wife was a nurse. He died October 1919, and for some reason buried at Wanganui, 150 kms from our town! Wonder if any of his family will see this message... would love to learn more, he also whilst in Carterton attended St. Mark's Church, lovely church built 1870s. His wife seems to have died in 1940 and is buried next to Alexander, I have received photographs of the headstones today, as couldnt get up there to do it myself. See mention of Kent and Surrey as well as Derbyshire and NZ! Alexander originally came from Tranent. Edinburgh. I received an enquiry from USA for ALexander, so had to find out more, and what an intereresting person! Also have sent this to Derbysgen.. Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton District Early Settlers Researcher Carterton Cemetery Clareville Taphophile Group

Hi, This brings back memories! What we were given "Tots" to do at school in the 50s, they were tables of numbers that were added (i.e. totted up) across rows and down columns. Obviously since the number in the bottom right cell is the sum of the bottom line and the sum of the last column, they should be the same. If they were different, you had an error somewhere! Terry, Oakville, Ontario

Does anyone know of a place called Kennard Place, Sandgate, Kent? I have a feeling it no longer exists, as I could not find it on Google Earth! Back in the mid 1800's there was a firm called T.West's, Picture framers and Paper hanging Warehouse, 1 Kennard Place. I am a bit short of info to give you any more!! Regards, Susan, Victoria, Australia. English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK, post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre 1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.

Hi Adele: Ernest John appears to have fibbed about his age when enlisting in the Canadian Forces -- perhaps at 40 he may have been considered too old. Mary was conspicuous by her absence from the family in the 1891 census record. However, I did find a Mary PEDEN (right age) as a visitor (along with 26 other people) at 38 West Register Street, Edinburgh (St Andrew). Have no idea what kind of establishment since images not available in Scottish census records. Although the HOLTUMs do not appear to have been involved in the brewing business, there are numerous connections -- Edmund Thompson (brewer) married two sisters (consecutively, not at the same time); John Matthews, who took over the Thompson Brewery in Walmer, married Edmund's daughter Mary Holtum Thompson; Alexander Morton (brewers' clerk) married Elizabeth Bowles Thompson Holtum; and, of course, Alexander Peden married Mary Ann Emily. It seems likely, of course, that Alexander worked at the Thompson Brewery. Incidentally, the brewery finally went out of business in 1974 and was demolished in 1981 -- so went another bit of history! cheers, Harry On 2/15/10 1:19 AM, Adele wrote: > not sure about the entire family, but maybe one served with Canadian > FOrces during WW1, I could check with their Archives on the name.. one > with the name of Ernest served with 18th Hussars.. his next of kin may > have been one of his sisters, Mrs W. Stevenson. Alexanders wife, seemed > to go under two names here in NZ! Mary Ann Emily and Jane Annie and > death registration have both listed!.

St Mary le Bow was a peculiar of the Diecese of Canterbury although it is in the centre of the city of London. Full details can be found by Googling and here; _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary-le-Bow_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mary-le-Bow) 'Never understimate the Power of the Google' Regards Lozzie

Susan Perrett, When you say "the mid 1800's" I think you mean the mid-1850s? I have a Thomas West, stationer and newsagent, in the High Street in Sandgate at least between 1871-1882. Is he the same man? He appears not to be in the 1871 and 1881 censuses and appears not to have left a will (for the period 1879-1911). Several stationers in Kent were paper-hangers, they do deal in paper after all. Richard Goulden Does anyone know of a place called Kennard Place, Sandgate, Kent? I have a feeling it no longer exists, as I could not find it on Google Earth! Back in the mid 1800's there was a firm called T.West's, Picture framers and Paper hanging Warehouse, 1 Kennard Place. I am a bit short of info to give you any more!!

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. What a great group! Regards, Lynda On 14 February 2010 16:40, Geoff Connell <gac99dsl@tadaust.org.au> wrote: > This is a good program, I have been using it for years. > > Regards > Geoff Connell > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Carlisle" > <helencarlisle@comcast.net> > To: "Lynda's Lot" <lydige@gmail.com>; <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Kent villages travelling distances > > >> Google for "Parloc", the Parish Locator.   It is a free download where you >> can enter one parish anywhere in the country and check how far it is from >> another parish, or what parishes are within a certain area. >> >> HTH, >> Regards, Helen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynda's Lot" <lydige@gmail.com> >> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:39 PM >> Subject: [KENT-ENG] Kent villages travelling distances >> >> >>> Good afternoon.  Would anyone have a road atlas or map that shows the >>> mileages between all the Kent villages from whichever one you're in, >>> set out in a grid format if you know what I mean?  I found one years >>> ago but when I enlarge it, it's unreadable.  My ancestors lived in >>> neighbouring parishes but when it comes to BMDs sometimes they're in a >>> different place.  I want to know how far they had to travel.  I'd >>> really appreciate a scan of one, if that's possible. >>> >>> Cheers, Lynda in New Zealand >>> http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks to everyone who answered my question! I had thought that it might have been something to do with long additions or long multiplications but I'd never heard of it! What it was all about was that the head-teacher (my grandfather, actually) had ordered, via the School Managers, the cards or apparatus that he needed in order to teach the "Long Tots, but these had not arrived. This was quite usual as, according to the School Log Books, the managers were always reluctant to spend any money and didn't always order everything asked for. My grandfather was concerned about getting the pupils up to the level required for the coming examinations - his pay depended on success and attendance - it couldn't have been easy! When he talks about 'cards', I assume that these were, probably, pre-printed lists of numbers, to be added or whatever, but are there any ideas as to what the "apparatus" might have been? Couldn't have been a calculator!!! It's not important because I have my answer, but it's just interesting. I was very interested to know that the idea was still in existence, in the 1960s, though purely mental arithmetic. I don't remember having to do anything like that, back in the 1950s but perhaps my memory dims! Thanks again to all, John No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2687 - Release Date: 02/14/10 07:35:00

I am researching my BATES family and have come across information that seems to indicate my Furtherest Back Ancestor, John Bates, was born in St Marie-Le Bow. This information also indicates he and his father have the same name possibly with Sr/Jr as appropriate with the father born about 1735 in the same area. This information also indicates that these two, possibly with other family members, emigrated to the Colonies with port of call Charlestown, (present day Charleston, South Carolina), Carolinas but does not give a departure/arrival date. From information I have discovered in America (York County, South Carolina where the younger John BATES settled about 1783) I place his arrival between 1770-75. This individual has been associated with the John BATES who signed on as indentured aboard the Ship Elizabeth in London Harbor that sailed 22 Nov 1774 for Virginia however we have all but discounted this possibility because of John's seeming affluence, education, and knowle! dge of Policeman's (Law Officers in general) duties and responsibilities. I am not sure if this area, the chapel is connected to the Archbishop of Canterbury when in London, was in Kentshire during this time frame (1735-1770) or not. I no longer have an Ancestry World Wide membership and financially not able to afford to resubscribe as well. I have done lookups in the few free sites I know about but so far have not discovered anything of significance. This source also indicated the elder John BATES may have been a Barrister however he seems to be using the title Esquire for this connection which I do not believe carried that meaning in this time frame but was only a title of respect for a gentleman lacking a formal title. Is there a connection between St Marie and Kentshire in this time frame? If so, would the primary register records be part of the Cathedral's records or would they be in London? If not connected, where would the primary repository for the registry records be located? William G. BATES

This is a good program, I have been using it for years. Regards Geoff Connell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Carlisle" <helencarlisle@comcast.net> To: "Lynda's Lot" <lydige@gmail.com>; <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Kent villages travelling distances > Google for "Parloc", the Parish Locator. It is a free download where you > can enter one parish anywhere in the country and check how far it is from > another parish, or what parishes are within a certain area. > > HTH, > Regards, Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynda's Lot" <lydige@gmail.com> > To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:39 PM > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Kent villages travelling distances > > >> Good afternoon. Would anyone have a road atlas or map that shows the >> mileages between all the Kent villages from whichever one you're in, >> set out in a grid format if you know what I mean? I found one years >> ago but when I enlarge it, it's unreadable. My ancestors lived in >> neighbouring parishes but when it comes to BMDs sometimes they're in a >> different place. I want to know how far they had to travel. I'd >> really appreciate a scan of one, if that's possible. >> >> Cheers, Lynda in New Zealand >> http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon. Would anyone have a road atlas or map that shows the mileages between all the Kent villages from whichever one you're in, set out in a grid format if you know what I mean? I found one years ago but when I enlarge it, it's unreadable. My ancestors lived in neighbouring parishes but when it comes to BMDs sometimes they're in a different place. I want to know how far they had to travel. I'd really appreciate a scan of one, if that's possible. Cheers, Lynda in New Zealand http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/

---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:38:15 -0400 From: "James E. Roberts" <jerobert@nb.sympatico.ca> Subject: [KENT-ENG] PIPPY burial at River Parish To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20100213173815.IJUS892.torspm02.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@user-158d622fc8.nb. sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello List, I have been researching the PIPPY family for years from about 1754 and later in Newfoundland, but have been unable in over 30 years to make a connection back to the U.K. or the Channel Islands. A cousin has just found a burial on Find My Past for one Philip PIPPY, buried 13 June 1819 at St. Peter and St. Paul in River Parish (Dover). This the first instance of anyone by that surname in Kent. We are wondering if this was a solo event, or if there was family living in the area. Is there any way of determining if there are others of that surname buried there? We have yet to try the censuses for the area. Known variants of the surname are PIPPEY (known around Bristol), and PEPPY (found around London and Cornwall). Any help or ideas welcome. Jim Roberts New Brunswick, Canada (PIPPY was my mother's maiden name). Jim, this is a long shot, but I need to tell you that around that time one of my ancestors, who came from Bristol, was based in Dover as he captain of a Revenue Cruiser, or in modern day parlance, a Customs boat. I only mention this because he was married in Dover and appeared to be well out of his territory, until I discovered what his occupation was. As I say it's a long shot, but you may want to follow it up. Good luck Philippa in Adelaide, SA

Use the 'get directions' function on Google Maps Anne South Australia Lynda's Lot wrote: > Good afternoon. Would anyone have a road atlas or map that shows the > mileages between all the Kent villages from whichever one you're in, > set out in a grid format if you know what I mean? I found one years > ago but when I enlarge it, it's unreadable. My ancestors lived in > neighbouring parishes but when it comes to BMDs sometimes they're in a > different place. I want to know how far they had to travel. I'd > really appreciate a scan of one, if that's possible. > > Cheers, Lynda in New Zealand > http://sites.google.com/site/lyndaslot/ >