This is to inform listers that there is in the library of the National Archives at Kew, a book recording the civilian War dead of the second W.W. Regards, Dennis Bramble. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Cook" <kcook@btinternet.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Canterbury civilian war dead 1942 > Can SKS point me in the direction of a list (on line if possible) of the > Canterbury civilian war dead from the 1942 bombings please? > Many thanks, Karen > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email >

Can SKS point me in the direction of a list (on line if possible) of the Canterbury civilian war dead from the 1942 bombings please? Many thanks, Karen

Hello List, This is my first mailing to the Kent list. After a number of years believing that my father's forebears were from Hampshire (but not being able to find them!)I have recently discovered that they actually came from Kent. Just thought I'd contact the list to see if there are any other members with connections to the following families:- James BUTLER, born c1807, Lenham, Kent - wife Sarah Ann, born c1811, Milstead, Kent James & Sarah Ann had 10 children - Henry, born c1838 was my great-grandfather. Henry BUTLER married Amy HANCOCK in 1858 in Canterbury Amy was born in Canterbury c1840 - her parents were Robert HANCOCK, born c1816, Canterbury and Sarah, born c1816, probably also in Canterbury. Robert & Sarah had 4 children. Jane

Dear listers, Would any body have an idea where I might find information on public schools in the Margate and Folkestone area around 1910? Does the name Pretoria sound familiar? My grand father attended public schools in Kent around Margate and Folkestone, but I cannot recall the name and would like to find out more about it. Any help or leads would be appreciated. Regards Robyn

>From Daily News ( London, England ), Wednesday, September 9, 1891; Issue 14175. MARRIAGE. FORD - BASSETT. - 5th. inst., at Sea Point, Cape Town, South Africa, by the Rev. PINKER, Thurston, James FORD, of Kenilworth, Kimberley, son of K. J. FORD, of Saharampore, to Edith Maria, eldest daughter of George BASSETT, of Stockwell House, Frindsbury, Rochester.

Hi Listers, Does anybody have access to the Wittersham PR's that can look for the baptisms of the following two people: Thomas LONGLEY - born: C1814 in Wittersham, Kent - according to Census information. James LONGLEY - born C1815 in Wittersham, Kent - according to 1861 Census Information. At present I do not know whether they are connected so hoping that the Baptism records may show whether they are brothers. Thanks in advance. Kevin (England)

Birmingham Daily Post ( Birmingham, England ), Thursday, August 21,1890; Issue 10034. John WOOD, captain of the steamer Edith, was remanded, on a charge of manslaughter, at Rochester on Tuesday. The prisoner was alleged to have navigated his steamer the wrong side of the river, and run down a barge, drowning the men on board.

>From World and Fashionable Advertiser ( London, England ), Friday, August 31, 1787; Issue 207. On Sunday last, as Captain HARDY and his lady were going down Shooter's Hill, in a phaeton, the horses took fright, from a pig coming suddenly through the hedge, and ran away with the carriage, which overset about half way down the Hill, and maimed Mrs. HARDY in a shocking manner. Fortunately a returned chaise coming by at the time, took them up and carried them to Dartford, where the lady lies without hopes of recovery. They had only been married three weeks, and were going to spend the autumn at Montpelier, in the South of France. The great Powder-mills of Dartford, being set at work for Government, and the supply of the national ammunition, are in general the fore-runners of war-like operations:- and it is expected some official orders will be sent down there in a few days.

>From Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser ( Dublin, Ireland ), Tuesday, August 14, 1838, Issue N/A. MAIDSTONE ASSIZES. - Friday, Aug. 10. Murder of Lieut. BENNETT. This morning the following prisoners were indicted for the murder of Lieut. BENNETT, and all pleaded "guilty", viz :- Wm. WILLS, aged 46; Thos. MEARS; Edward WRAIGHT, the younger, 33; Alexander FOAD; Thomas GREIGGS; Edward CURLING, aged 33; Charles HILLS, 47 ; and Richard FOREMAN, 30. WILLS, a tall athletic man, remained very firm during the solemn investigation. WRAIGHT, a stout man, and FOAD, continued to place their hands together in an imploring manner, and wept bitterly. Several witnesses were called to speak to the characters of the prisoners. The jury returned a verdict of guilty. Lord DENMAN then proceeded to pass sentence of death on the prisoners, but he said that it was right to inform them that he had, after some difficulty, made up his mind to spare their lives. Two circumstances, his lordship observed, had induced him to come to this determination; one was, that a number of their associates in crime had already paid the penalty of their offence by the military in the execution of their duty, by which the law had been vindicated, and an awful example had been afforded of the consequences of resisting it. The other circumstance was, that the relations and friends of the officer who was shot by their leader had stated that they should suffer the greatest aggravation of the pain they have felt for their loss if any more lives should be lost in consequence of that unhappy affair. It is, however, continued his lordship, absolutely necessary that a most impressive example should be made in instances of this kind. As for you MEARS, or TYLER, who was not only extremely active in exciting the other unfortunate men, but for two days after the murder of NICHOLAS MEARS, remained with your frantic leader, and encouraged his violence, and instigated his own relatives to join him - in your case, MEARS, or TYLER, it is perfectly clear that you ought not to be permitted to remain in this country. You must be made as severe an example of as the law allows, short of undergoing the extreme penalty. You cannot be allowed to return to society where you have been so unfavourably known. As for you, WILLS, I am sorry, from what came out yesterday, and from the depositions that I have before me, that a man of such comparative respectability should have indulged to so great an extent in such in such bad feelings; I feel, therefore, that it is impossible not to come to the same conclusion in your case. As for the rest of you, the facts connected with you shall be looked over before I pronounce your sentence. I cannot conclude without observing that many of those who took part in this atrocious affair have not been brought to trial, not because their crimes have been easily proved deserving of the severest punishment, but because those that had the conduct of the prosecution were desirous that the law should not be carried into extreme effect, but that selection should be made; that justice should be administered mercifully and with a consideration of those whose families have already suffered severely. With those observations, prisoners, you will retire from the bar; some of you most undoubtedly to return to your friends and country no more; others of you to be separated from them for a distant period; and the rest of you to undergo such punishment as the court shall think proper. The prisoners retired from the bar deeply affected. >From Preston Chronicle ( Preston England ), Saturday, August 25, 1838; Issue 1356. ( Taken from Maidstone Paper ) THE COURTENAY RIOTERS. - On Friday morning last, the sentences on the Courtenay rioters were received at the county gaol. They are as follows:- Thomas MEARS, otherwise TYLER, and William WILLS, to be transported for life; William PRICE to be transported for ten years; and Edward WRAIGHT, Alexander FOAD, Edward CURLING, Thomas GRIGGS, Richard FOREMAN, and Charles HILLS, to be imprisoned for one year and kept to hard labour in the House of Correction, one month in solitary confinement. N.B. Although William PRICE is only mentioned in the second newspaper report, he is listed as one of the Rioters in the Criminal Records & is shown as aged 30.

Lizzie, I got on straight away & registered ok. Regards. Glenys (West Aust)_http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/_ > (http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/) >

Hello I wonder if anyone can give me more information about the above family and their business?   William Brook LEEMING was living in Nevill House, Meopham in 1886. His mother, Frances LEEMING, is living with him in 1891 after the death of her husband, Thomas LEEMING. Prior to this, they had been living in Essex. Also in the household is another son, Thomas Nelson LEEMING.   Thomas and William were varnish makers - Thomas describing himself as employer and his brother employee, in 1891 census. Their father had been varnish maker too, as had 3 previous generations, in Essex and before that, in Ripon, Yorkshire.   Frances was still in Nevill House in 1901 & 1911 and living with her was a William MURRELL, described as manager, varnish makers, suggesting he was running the firm by then.   Their varnish making business - Messrs Leeming & Co (Cobham) Ltd - was situated in Sole Street, close to the railway. There was a major fire at the factory in 1928 which caused considerable damage to the railway as well as gutted the factory, which was reported in The Times of the day. The business was still going in 1978 (although I do not know if there was still a Leeming connection with the firm then). I understand that the company is now dissolved.   The earliest connection I can find between the LEEMING family and Meopham is 1886, however, I have a newspaper article (thanks to the efforts of Gravesend Library) from the Gravesend Reporter of 20 Sept 1958, that describes the firm as one of the oldest varnishmaking companies in the country and it states the company was originally set up in 1798 "by a Mr Leeming who lived in Nevill House Meopham". My research has tracked this LEEMING family back to Thomas LEEMING who was working as a labourer in a varnish makers but in Ripon, Yorkshire not Kent, from 1794 until his death in 1839.   Could anyone shed further light on this family, the history of the firm and this statement of the Reporter?   Many thanks Jane

Hi John, There seems to have been a distinction between the two, according to a couple of Google references I found - the 'organising visitors' were more like advisers and were not official. a quick skim of http://www.archive.org/stream/officialyearboo02britgoog/officialyearboo02britgoog_djvu.txt seems to suggest that, in the case of church schools anyway, inspectors were paid by the government while visitors were paid by the church. I'm probably wrong ;) Anne South Australia John Newport wrote: > Just to say thanks to all for your replies! It would seem most likely that > his/her job was as an inspector and to advise on the day-to-day running of > the school. > > Thanks again. > > John >

Thanks to Susan for her excellent summary of the reasons for people going to a church other than that of their own village to worship and for their wedding and the baptism of their children. May I suggest another reason which was especially significant in the 16th and 17th centuries? They were troubled times for the Church.. Until 1558 everyone had been nurtured as a Roman Catholic, but then successive monarchs changed from Cattholic to Protestant and back again. Some clergy (such as the Vicar of Bray immortalised in the song) adapted, while others carried on as before so far as they could, keeping their heads down. Parishioners with a strong theological viewpoint, one way or the other, would often go to church in a neighbouring parish if they were unhappy with their own. Richard Weller.

Thank you all for your kind replies - it seems a bit hit or miss but mainly a miss :-( I managed to register but then a site search threw up links to elsewhere on their own site only for their own links not to work. Ended up just trying surname 'Robinson' and got less than 10 hits, despite the amount of records they are supposed to have, i tried these hits and those links were not working. I spend half my life on web sites so either the site has hiccups or I am missing something REALLY basic....... Have now given up in frustration. Thank you all once again Lozzie

What does this site offer? Carol

Lozzie, I have just successfully registered. Peter AncestryAid at _http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/_ (http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/) Please has anyone managed to register with this site? I have tried clicking every which way but always get a '404 error' Not Found The requested URL /boards/register.php was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Has this site gone down? Is it any good?? Best regards Lozzie T

Hi Lozzie, Just tried and got through first time. http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/ John _______________________________ -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lozzie55@aol.com Sent: 16 February 2010 13:28 To: KENT-ENG-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] AncestryAid AncestryAid at _http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/_ (http://www.ancestryaid.co.uk/) Please has anyone managed to register with this site? I have tried clicking every which way but always get a '404 error' Not Found The requested URL /boards/register.php was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Has this site gone down? Is it any good?? Best regards Lozzie T ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2690 - Release Date: 02/15/10 19:35:00

You're right Anne, Strangely enough, not long before I got your email, doing yet another search, I found a snippet in a "Google-book" which said, "They obtain the services of the Organising Visitor free of charge for their schools, by paying a lump sum to the Diocesan Board of Education" Though it's only a snippet, I'm now sure, from what it said, that the school paid for the services of the "organising visitor" to help with organising the lessons, and possibly the curriculum and the method of teaching. As you said, not really officials, such as inspectors, but help, at a price, available from the Church - after all they were still, strongly, Church Schools at that time. Interestingly, looking at the web address you sent, that was the first one I tried (in fact three times, I tried!) but each time I got the "Not responding" message so, reluctantly, gave it up though it looked the most promising. You, obviously, managed to pull it down! Thanks very much Anne - I may try again later! John -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Chambers Sent: 16 February 2010 09:12 To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] "Organising Visitor" Hi John, There seems to have been a distinction between the two, according to a couple of Google references I found - the 'organising visitors' were more like advisers and were not official. a quick skim of http://www.archive.org/stream/officialyearboo02britgoog/officialyearboo02bri tgoog_djvu.txt seems to suggest that, in the case of church schools anyway, inspectors were paid by the government while visitors were paid by the church. I'm probably wrong ;) Anne South Australia John Newport wrote: > Just to say thanks to all for your replies! It would seem most likely that > his/her job was as an inspector and to advise on the day-to-day running of > the school. > > Thanks again. > > John > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2690 - Release Date: 02/15/10 19:35:00

Hello Lynda, It's not necessarily the distance that an ancestor had to travel in order to attend another church. Most of the distance measurements are based on a measurement from and to a central place in each parish, historically typically the Church of England parish church. So the measurement between parishes is going to be skewed and not necessarily present an accurate picture of your ancestor's journey or decision-making skills. However, what did matter was the position within the parish a person lived in relation to their own parish church and that of a neighbouring parish. Was their own church difficult to navigate to in bad weather? Was it a shorter distance or an easier commute to attend the neighbouring parish church? Was there a sentimental reason for having an event performed at a church other than their own parish church, e.g. baptismal at the same font as a parent, grandparent, etc.? Was there a legal reason for having an event performed at a church other than their own parish church? Was it easier at a 'foreign' church to marry or escape detection of what would be considered to have been an illegible or clandestine marriage? Was the 'foreign' church essentially a chapel in the parish closer to their own home? Aside from the above questions, I, too, use Parloc and wouldn't be without it! Sincerely, Susan D. Young, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.com County Administrator, Kent OPC www.kent-opc.org

Just to say thanks to all for your replies! It would seem most likely that his/her job was as an inspector and to advise on the day-to-day running of the school. Thanks again. John