Hi All I would like to thank John and Maureen for there help in trying to find my John Dunk baptism for me it's appreciated. Regards Ivan

Hello Bill, There are at least a dozen references in the Old Testament to Remaliah, most of them in in the 2nd Book of KIngs, the others in Isaiah and Chronicles 2. The references always seem to be to him as the father of Pekah, who murdered his King and reigned in his place for 20 years. No doubt his popularity was as a King rather than as a murderer ! This spelling appears to be the only spelling used in The King James' Bible which is probably as good a guide as any to Engish usage and spelling in days past. Sid On 16 April 2010 13:40, Bill Harrison <ellbill.harrison@gmail.com> wrote: > List~ > > On the 1851 census : I have a Remlion JOY, 40, Hadlow Parish, > at the top of the record. > Is this an old English name? How is it correctly spelled? > On the 1841 census it is spelled Remillan JOY, 30, Wrotham Parish. > > Also, on the 1851 census for the same person, I see that she has > a visitor. Is the name, a 'place name' in Kent, or is it an actual > name of a person?? > >

Hi Bill It is a very unusual name, and there are more variations than have been suggested.....I have several in my tree (all from Kent) from Remalia, Remaliah, Remalion, etc.....searching the censuses with "Rema*" gives a lot but could well be accused of errors due to poor writing or spelling for people who couldn't write themselves but a similar check in FreeBMD gives a better idea regards bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Harrison" <ellbill.harrison@gmail.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:40 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Remillan JOY > List~ > > On the 1851 census : I have a Remlion JOY, 40, Hadlow Parish, > at the top of the record. > Is this an old English name? How is it correctly spelled? > On the 1841 census it is spelled Remillan JOY, 30, Wrotham Parish. > > Also, on the 1851 census for the same person, I see that she has > a visitor. Is the name, a 'place name' in Kent, or is it an actual > name of a person?? > > Bill in > Ontario, Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hard call Gary It really is dependant on your interests and purely subjective. I have a lot of families in and around London, Msx, Surrey, Kent, therefore choose ancestry. FMP took over family history online and since then have not been able to find a lot of Parish records that I could find on the old site, but on the upside the 1911 census and soldiers records etc, so I still use them on a periodic basis. 2. There are other options too. Don't forget the enormous amount of work on Parish transcriptions done by Family History groups and their volunteers. It is always good to check their websites out to see what has been transcribed and readily available to purchase on CD. 3. Many counties have OPC sites - Online parish Clerks - whereby people/volunteers may have a collection of records they are willing to do searches on. http://www.kent-opc.org/parishlist.html 4. The LDS family search website is not just for the IGI. The Library catalogue contains thousands of copies of Parish Records filmed by the LDS and available on short term loan. You need to have a Family history room near you in order to view them. But as an Aussie, this is how I got some families back to the 1500's "purely" through the original PR's. 5. Then there are of course many online transcription sites. For example the medway arc website for kentish areas. http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/, and also http://www.woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/ etc etc other areas Sussex Weald - http://www.theweald.org/ Cambs - http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/community/bmd/Camdex/ also Seax for Essex - http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/ in Hampshire there is http://calm.hants.gov.uk/DServe/ & http://www.knightroots.co.uk/ Dorset has two brilliant Websites, Sussex - joining the FHG is a must, Wiltshire wills have online searches and took in more than Wiltshire. 6. Many councils have loads of information.......google the area and + Parish records. Some Libraries have wonderful online resources. We ex-pats have had to learn this early on, because we just can't catch a bus to the LMA on our day off. Grin !!!! 7. Posting to the lists for a specific area/place is always an option. Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Someone gave me some info of the LMA site on ancestry , I am using > findmypast site for 1911 census and freebmd for births etc, I would > like to get into parish records online if possibile and other databases > , what are the best ,and which ones , i know that some are good for > something ,but not so good for other things, advice needed ASAP > > G.Hodge

Hi, There is a biblical name - Remaliah (meaning: the exultation of the Lord) - perhaps that's her name? Still not very common, three births on FreeBMD and only one on 1881 census. Cheers Trish Nowra NSW > Hi Bill > I did a search for Remilion and variants as a Christian name in the 1881 > census - they were 7 hits, 3 of them in Kent. It does seem to > occasionally appear again in more modern times. > Liz

Hi Bill 1851 census on Findmypast actually has her christian name wrongly transcibed which I've sent a correction for. Don't know whether you have these details for the 1861: Remelion Joy, head,widow, aged 50, born Shipbourne, Kent George Joy, son, aged 8, born Hadlow, Kent Cornelius Humphrey, lodger, unmarried, aged 33, Ag Lab, born Hadlow, Kent They were living in the village of Hadlow (near Tonbridge) Kent I did a search for Remilion and variants as a Christian name in the 1881 census - they were 7 hits, 3 of them in Kent. It does seem to occasionally appear again in more modern times. Hope this of some help Liz Bill Harrison wrote: > List~ > > On the 1851 census : I have a Remlion JOY, 40, Hadlow Parish, > at the top of the record. > Is this an old English name? How is it correctly spelled? > On the 1841 census it is spelled Remillan JOY, 30, Wrotham Parish. > > Also, on the 1851 census for the same person, I see that she has > a visitor. Is the name, a 'place name' in Kent, or is it an actual > name of a person?? > > Bill in > Ontario, Canada > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5034 (20100416) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:40:00 -0400 Bill Harrison <ellbill.harrison@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Bill, > On the 1851 census : I have a Remlion JOY, 40, Hadlow Parish, > at the top of the record. > Is this an old English name? How is it correctly spelled? Spelling of most names was fluid until well into the 20th century. In any event, enumerators would write what they heard, if the householder hadn't filled in the schedule. Short answer; There isn't a 'correct' spelling. Also, if you've not seen the original sheets, there could be mistranscription involved. There certainly was at the census site I checked. > Also, on the 1851 census for the same person, I see that she has > a visitor. Is the name, a 'place name' in Kent, or is it an actual > name of a person?? I couldn't find any place (or similarly named) in England, never mind just Kent. Name definition sites I checked weren't much use for finding the origins, either. Just typing Remlion, Remillan and Remilion into FreeBMD, as a first name, only got two hits between them. Both for Remilion. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's only the children of the ------- wealthy tend to be good looking Ugly - The Stranglers

gary hodge wrote: > Someone gave me some info of the LMA site on ancestry , I am using > findmypast site for 1911 census and freebmd for births etc, I would > like to get into parish records online if possibile and other databases > , what are the best ,and which ones , i know that some are good for > something ,but not so good for other things, advice needed ASAP The best is what suits your needs the best. Everyone's view of what's best is subjective. I use FindMyPast as my primary research site along with FreeBMD but I also use Ancestry on an intermittent monthly basis (ie collect up the info I need from there, sub, hit it hard, unsub until I have another batch), TheGenealogist, Origins and (rarely now) FamilyRelatives since no single site can offer everything that any researcher wants. Others will rate Ancestry above all others. Take a tour of the other sites, then make your decision. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Someone gave me some info of the LMA site on ancestry , I am using findmypast site for 1911 census and freebmd for births etc, I would like to get into parish records online if possibile and other databases , what are the best ,and which ones , i know that some are good for something ,but not so good for other things, advice needed ASAP G.Hodge

List~ On the 1851 census : I have a Remlion JOY, 40, Hadlow Parish, at the top of the record. Is this an old English name? How is it correctly spelled? On the 1841 census it is spelled Remillan JOY, 30, Wrotham Parish. Also, on the 1851 census for the same person, I see that she has a visitor. Is the name, a 'place name' in Kent, or is it an actual name of a person?? Bill in Ontario, Canada

Hi All Can anybody help me with a lookup at Smeeth parish records when they are next at Centre for Kentish Studies Country Hall Maidstone please I am looking for John Dunk born app 1780 . Any hellp with this will be appreciated thank you Regards Ivan

Hello Listers, The right of a father, Popish Recusants excluded, to dispose of the custody of his child(ren) was first addressed in the Tenures Abolition Act, 1660 (c. 24), S. 8. The Act had been passed with a long and cumbersome title "An Act takeing away the Court of Wards and Liveries and Tenures in Capite and by Knights Service and Purveyance, and for setling a Revenue upon his Majesty in Lieu thereof" and was passed to effect the dissolution of the previously existing Courts of Wards, which had gone into an intermission of sorts on 24 Feb 1645, in addition to the dissolution of the Courts of Liveries and Tenures by Knights service. Although the Courts of Wards and likely this Tenures Abolition Act was originally designed to protect the Monarch's rights to protect his or her interests in the holdings of his knights (archaic) or tenants and sub-tenants through careful regulation of the activity of any knight's child(ren), the effect of this Act is still seen in estate matters, today. The short title of "The Tenures Abolition Act 1660" was devised by Statue Law Revision Act, 1948 (c. 62), Sch. 2. Below, is the section, verbatim, from the Act granting the right of a father to dispose of custody of his child(ren). Bear in mind that every act of parliament triggers a truckload of necessary documentation, it's simply the mechanism by which that happens and the jurisdiction involved that changes as the trigger is tripped. VIII. [F1 And where any person hath or shall have any Child or Children under the age of [F2 eighteen years] and not married at the time of his death that it shall and may be lawfull to and for the Father of such child or children, [ X1 whether borne at the time of the decease of the Father or at that time in ventre sa mere, or whether such Father be within the age] of [F2 eighteen years] or of full age by his deed executed in his life time, or by his last Will and Testament in writeing in the presence of two or more credible witnesses in such manner and from time to time as he shall respectively thinke fitt to dispose of the custody and tuition of such child or children for and dureing such time as he or they shall respectively remaine under the age of twenty one yeares or any lesser time to any person or persons in possession or remainder other than Popish Recusants, And that such disposition of the custodie of such childe or children made since the twenty fourth of February One thousand six hundred forty five or hereafter to be made shall be good and effectuall against all and every person or persons claiming the custody or tuition of such childe or children as Guardian in soccage or otherwise; And that such person or persons to whom the custodie of such childe or children hath beene or shall be soe disposed or devised as aforesaid shall and may maintaine an action of Ravishment of Ward or trespasse against any person or persons which shall wrongfully take away or detaine such childe or children for the Recovery of such childe or children and shall and may recover damages for the same in the said Action for the use and benefit of such childe or children.] Annotations: Amendments (Textual) F1 S. 8 repealed by Statute Law (Repeals) Act 1969 (c. 52), Sch. Pt. III but reproduced for the purpose of construing the remaining provisions of the Act F2 Words substituted by Family Law Reform Act 1969 (c. 46), s. 1(3), Sch. 1 Pt. I Editorial Information X1 annexed to the Original Act in a separate Schedule Sincerely, Susan D. Young, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.com County Administrator, Kent OPC www.kent-opc.org

Hi Listers, A polite reminder to all members of the KENT genealogy list. Please CAPITALISE your last name interests. Place the SURNAME in capital letters in the subject line and do the same when the NAME appears in the body of the text. POSTING LAST NAME INTERESTS - When posting your Kent Interests, it is better if all LAST NAMES in your messages are given in Capital Letters, it makes them stand out, and for people who skim their mail searching for names it makes the task easier and quicker. Also if listing your LAST NAME interests in your signature lines, please try to arrange them alphabetically - they read easier that way. Remember only four lines are allowed in your signature line and should be Kent specific ! Regards Stuart Hammond List Administrator Kent List

Hi I was wondering if anyone else was researching the above surnames - all in the BIRLING/SNODLAND/MALLING I am particularly interested in the GOWER/GOWAR family of Birling, but it is possible the other two names could be descendants of John and Elizabeth. Regards Eveline

Hello Nick, The simplest answer to your question is that, generally, all guardianship matters were the bailiwick of the ecclesiastical courts (pre-1859). But, as with all other legal processes nothing is ever simple or straight-forward. So, the balance of my answer will only hit on the most important points and in a simplified fashion. First, there are two separate terms applied to guardians: Curators and Tutors. The guardian of a minor child named in a will posted a Bond of Tuition (typically abbreviated as `Tuon', or referred to as a Tutor) where guardianship concerning minors of under 15 years of age (boys) or 13 years of age (girls). A Curation Bond (typically abbreviated as `Curon', referring to a Curator) was posted where the guardianship concerned minors under 21 but over 14 years of age (boys) or 12 years of age (girls). Guardianships were largely created by an individual naming a desired person in his or her Will to act as such for his or her minor children. So, you may wish to back up in your research to attempt to locate a Will that might name your 1812 minor female as a child of the Testator or Testatrix of that Will. If there had been several tragedies in the family you may discover that the child had been passed from guardian to guardian and was, at the time of her marriage, on her second or third guardian. Again, generally speaking, the probate of a Will or the administration of an intestate's estate triggered the guardianship process, whereby the appropriate bond would be required of the individual who ultimately consented to act as guardian, followed by the inscribing of that individual's name and relationship along with the name and age of the ward in a register filed in the applicable ecclesiastical court. I say, 'applicable' as you will discover that the Archdeaconry Court as well as the Consistory Court and other courts (Prerogative Court of Canterbury, courts of Deans and Chapters as well as Peculiars) kept their own files, registers, bonds, et cetera. Actions brought in Chancery will also include amongst its files records of guardians. Guardians accounts were also required, inventories if applicable (estate matters), nominations, releases and of course the ward always had the right, at court, to bring an action by a "next friend" to petition for replacement of an appointed guardian. Alternatively, minor children could also make an appointment of an individual as guardian should a nominee decline to act in that capacity, or in cases where no close next-of-kin guardian exists. Just to get you started on the right path in your search for guardianship records you might wish to take note of the following: 1. Guardians registers filed in Consistory Court (Kent) are kept at Canterbury Cathedral Archives in CKS-PRC/26 and include the registers of elections of guardians, which give the age of the minor child and his or her relationship to the guardian so appointed. The covering dates are outside your range, though - 1631-1763. 2. Miscellaneous ecclesiastical court documents, which include guardians accounts, for the Archdeaconry Court causes are also at Canterbury Cathedral Archives 1582-1799 in CCA-DCb-PRC/18, while guardians registers, but only up to 1784, are in CKS-PRC/8. 3. Files generated by Chancery proceedings are held at the The National Archives, Kew indexed on its' website in the "Catalogue" http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/default.asp?j=1 . Archive.org has some indices as does Ancestry, Google Books - just Google "Calendar of chancery proceedings" and you'll be overwhelmed by the number of locations, some free, some pay sites. Don't overlook a search on http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/index.php for free calendars to chancery proceedings, as well. For a more comprehensive list of archival material held in Kent archives your should search http://www.kentarchives.org.uk/Index.htm Sincerely, Susan D. Young, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.com County Administrator, Kent OPC www.kent-opc.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Wilson" <nickwilson@shaw.ca> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: [KENT-ENG] LAW OF GUARDIANSHIP c.1800 Hello, I have, with a lot of outside help, been able to trace an ancestor, who at the time of her marriage in 1812 as a minor was the ward of her older half brother. Can anyone direct me to the laws of guardianship in force two hundred years ago. Was the Government involved, or could everything be done in a lawyer office? Was the cerificate of guardianship then registered and if so where? Thanks, nick

Hi All I am looking for a James Ellis born 1838 Maresfield, Sussex and listed in 1851 Census as resident of Greenwich, Kent. Parents were William Ellis b. Fletching, Sussex 1802 d. South Malling, Sussex 28 June 1858 and Margaret Tyler b. 1803 Keen, Hertfordshire d. unknown. James's brothers George b. Maresfield, Sussex 1828 d. Mulwala, NSW, Australia, William b. 1829 Maresfield, Sussex d. unknown in Australia, and Henry b. 1831 Maresfield, Sussex d. 1909 Yackandandah, Victoria, Australia worked on the railway line construction in Sussex/Kent around 1850 and emigrated to Australia in 1853 and worked on the railway in Sydney, NSW for a 2 year stint according to shipping records, but I can not find James. Any help on this family would be very much appreciated. It appears from 1851 Census that all the family moved to Greenwich, Kent. Others in the family were Hannah b. 1827 Maresfield, Sussex d. unknown, Harriet b. 1835 Maresfield, Sussex d. unknown, Mary b. Maresfield, Sussex 1843 d. unknown. Regards Stephen Ellis - Australia E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14760 http://www.pctools.com/uk/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

Hi Paul I had a check through my copy of The Victorian Churches of Kent by Roger HOMAN. Quote; "Hougham without Wesleyan, The Street. 1840. Rendered walls, hipped slated roof, sides of flint rubble. Shared with Anglicans 1974. Consent to demolish 1979." No picture unfortunately. Couldn't find one that looked like yours. HTH Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL WELLS" <paulwells75@btinternet.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Mystery Kent Wesleyan Chapel (1840) West Hougham ? >I have had a suggestion of West Hougham if anyone has any information on >that ? > > Thanks > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: PAUL WELLS <paulwells75@btinternet.com> > To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 12 April, 2010 18:43:56 > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Mystery Kent Wesleyan Chapel (1840) > > Hi > > Can anyone identify a location for this postcard of a Wesleyan Chapel > (built 1840) ? > > It is addressed to someone in Best Lane Canterbuy and postmarked Dover on > 13th November 1907, so I assume it is somewhere in Kent. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast/4514779539/ > > Thanks > > Paul > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have had a suggestion of West Hougham if anyone has any information on that ? Thanks Paul ----- Original Message ---- From: PAUL WELLS <paulwells75@btinternet.com> To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 12 April, 2010 18:43:56 Subject: [KENT-ENG] Mystery Kent Wesleyan Chapel (1840) Hi Can anyone identify a location for this postcard of a Wesleyan Chapel (built 1840) ? It is addressed to someone in Best Lane Canterbuy and postmarked Dover on 13th November 1907, so I assume it is somewhere in Kent. http://www.flickr.com/photos/doverpast/4514779539/ Thanks Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nick Wilson wrote: > I have, with a lot of outside help, been able to trace an > ancestor, who at the time of her marriage in 1812 as a minor was > the ward of her older half brother. > > Can anyone direct me to the laws of guardianship in force two > hundred years ago. Was the Government involved, or could everything > be done in a lawyer office? Was the cerificate of guardianship > then registered and if so where? There were no specific laws as far as I know. It was purely a private arrangement between the parent/s of the child in question and the proposed guardian that could be made just in a will without anything more formal being done. If there was a formal agreement, I think you'll find that only a solicitor (lawyer) was involved. There wasn't the Government interference in private matters then that there is today. A copy of it would have been held by the guardian concerned and another at the solicitor's office. You'd have to know the firm involved to find out whether or not any papers had been kept. If you're lucky they may be in the record office but it's more likely they were destroyed many years ago. Likewise the family copy would also have been destroyed once the guardianship had expired. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Agree entirely that IrfhanView is good for image cropping. Try turning your computer off at the mains - or if there is an on/off button at the back of your CPU - turn it off for 20 secs as this often clears the memory of "funnies".