Hello, Further to my query asking for information on the above family I can pass on to anyone who is interested in either family that Thomas Powney was born in Madras in 1775 and died in London in 1847, six years after marrying Ann Ridout at Southampton. There were, naturally no children, but they did 'adopt' a young niece on the Ridout side who later became my great grandmother, Anna Parkinson,nee Robinson, something I only discovered when I obtained a copy of Thos Powney's will

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I have done quite a bit of Spicer research in Kent but mainly with a different line but all going back to the Pluckley, Hollingbourne area. I have a William Spicer born 1862 at Folkestone son of Edward Nook Spicer and Sarah Alice Waterman. William had siblings Julia, Edward, Alice, Richard, John, Alfred, Alberta, Sarah and Beatrice. Edward Nook's parents were Richard and Margaret Penny from Dover which is where my lot come from and one was born at Dover Castle Keith -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Sent: Friday, 23 April 2010 1:26 AM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] William SPICER Barbara, The first step is to find William in the 1871 census with his family. The 1881 census says he was born in Folkestone so this should be fairly straightforward. Although the '81 census return says he was age 20 FreeBMD only has one entry in the Elham RD (this includes Folkestone) for William Henry Spicer registered Q3 1862. Good luck Peter -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Spicer Sent: 22 April 2010 3:56 PM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] William SPICER Could anyone tell me how I can find the background to William SPICER, who appears on the 1881 census. He is aged 20 and is the footman to George DUPPA, residing at HOLLINGBROURNE HOUSE kENT. My reason for this inquiry is that my husbands grandfather William SPICER, although he lived in South Wales states on all the census in Wales that he was born in West Ashford. He makes this claim on his marriage certificate and gives his father as John deceased. Having looked at the DUPPA family I have ascertain that they had connection with the West Country bordering on Wales, and the family story was that James walked to Wales from somewhere in Kent beginning with H; of cos you don't think to ask questions when you are a kid, also William was a Waiter all his working life and spent two weeks every year at OKEHAMPTON ARTILLERY CAMP as a waiter. We don't know what the connection is with him working at Okehampton every year or how he became involved, if he is the William at Hollingbourne he may have been recommended by the Duppa's I believe they had millitary connections. Barbara Spicer (mem no 13224) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2827 - Release Date: 04/21/10 19:31:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sending 1871 offline > Could anyone tell me how I can find the background to William SPICER, who > appears on the 1881 census. He is aged 20 and is the footman to George > DUPPA, residing at HOLLINGBROURNE HOUSE kENT. My reason for this inquiry > is > that my husbands grandfather William SPICER, although he lived in South > Wales states on all the census in Wales that he was born in West Ashford. > He makes this claim on his marriage certificate and gives his father as > John > deceased. > > Having looked at the DUPPA family I have ascertain that they had > connection > with the West Country bordering on Wales, and the family story was that > James walked to Wales from somewhere in Kent beginning with H; of cos you > don't think to ask questions when you are a kid, also William was a Waiter > all his working life and spent two weeks every year at OKEHAMPTON > ARTILLERY > CAMP as a waiter. > > We don't know what the connection is with him working at Okehampton every > year or how he became involved, if he is the William at Hollingbourne he > may have been recommended by the Duppa's I believe they had millitary > connections. > > Barbara Spicer (mem no 13224) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Barbara, 1. To find a birth or a marriage you can get free access to BMD's on this web addy below. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl I have found the marriage entry on freebmd Dive King and Harriett Tolhurst Romney Marsh Volume 5 page 473 Registered June Quarter 1843. To obtain this certificate go to this addy http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ 2. Registrations of BMD's started in the Uk in September 1837, therefore you will have to go to the original Parish Registers for the births or rather baptismal entries of the parents Dive and Harriett. Seeing as Harriet and all the children were born Ivy-Church according to the 1851 census it might be wise to start here. You can go online to the Kent Family History Group and see if there is a CD available for purchase containing the Parish records for Ivy-Church OR If you have a LDS (Mormon) Church family history centre near where you live, then you can order a film of the records for Ivy-Church and get Harriet and the children's records that way. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=566466&subject_disp=England%2C+Kent%2C+Ivy%2Dchurch+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia My great- great - grand-father was Dive King - married Harriet Tolhurst. They were born in Ivy Church circa 1816 & 1819 respectfully. They were married in Romey Marsh. Their son, Charles King (my gr-grandfather, was born circa 1848 They later moved to the USA where Charles married Margaret Barringer and had my grand-mother, Clara King. I'm looking for copies of records of marriage and/or birth (like where can I write to obtain such)

Barbara, The first step is to find William in the 1871 census with his family. The 1881 census says he was born in Folkestone so this should be fairly straightforward. Although the '81 census return says he was age 20 FreeBMD only has one entry in the Elham RD (this includes Folkestone) for William Henry Spicer registered Q3 1862. Good luck Peter -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Spicer Sent: 22 April 2010 3:56 PM To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] William SPICER Could anyone tell me how I can find the background to William SPICER, who appears on the 1881 census. He is aged 20 and is the footman to George DUPPA, residing at HOLLINGBROURNE HOUSE kENT. My reason for this inquiry is that my husbands grandfather William SPICER, although he lived in South Wales states on all the census in Wales that he was born in West Ashford. He makes this claim on his marriage certificate and gives his father as John deceased. Having looked at the DUPPA family I have ascertain that they had connection with the West Country bordering on Wales, and the family story was that James walked to Wales from somewhere in Kent beginning with H; of cos you don't think to ask questions when you are a kid, also William was a Waiter all his working life and spent two weeks every year at OKEHAMPTON ARTILLERY CAMP as a waiter. We don't know what the connection is with him working at Okehampton every year or how he became involved, if he is the William at Hollingbourne he may have been recommended by the Duppa's I believe they had millitary connections. Barbara Spicer (mem no 13224) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2827 - Release Date: 04/21/10 19:31:00

Could anyone tell me how I can find the background to William SPICER, who appears on the 1881 census. He is aged 20 and is the footman to George DUPPA, residing at HOLLINGBROURNE HOUSE kENT. My reason for this inquiry is that my husbands grandfather William SPICER, although he lived in South Wales states on all the census in Wales that he was born in West Ashford. He makes this claim on his marriage certificate and gives his father as John deceased. Having looked at the DUPPA family I have ascertain that they had connection with the West Country bordering on Wales, and the family story was that James walked to Wales from somewhere in Kent beginning with H; of cos you don't think to ask questions when you are a kid, also William was a Waiter all his working life and spent two weeks every year at OKEHAMPTON ARTILLERY CAMP as a waiter. We don't know what the connection is with him working at Okehampton every year or how he became involved, if he is the William at Hollingbourne he may have been recommended by the Duppa's I believe they had millitary connections. Barbara Spicer (mem no 13224)

Hi Susan, Catherine's original enquiry was about Woolwich burials 1800-1812. At that date she would be looking for a churchyard burial. The cemeteries in this area opened much later, Woolwich (Old) in 1856. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: zandara [mailto:zandara@cogeco.ca] Woolwich cemetery (Old or New) is not available online. The address to contact the cemetery for enquiries is: Greenwich Council, Cemetery Services, Shooters Hill Depot, (opposite Eaglesfield Road) Shooters Hill, London SE18 3HP Tel: +44 020 8921 6885, Fax: +44 020 8319 1943 Email: parks@greenwich.gov.uk In the interim, you may wish to try a search on https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch as there are three participating near-neighbour cemeteries - Islington, Kent & Sussex Crematorium and the Tunbridge Wells Borough Cemetery. Good luck. Sincerely, Susan D. Young, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.com County Administrator, Kent OPC www.kent-opc.org

My great- great - grand-father was Dive King -  married Harriet Tolhurst. They were born in Ivy Church circa 1816 & 1819 respectfully. They were married in Romey Marsh. Their son, Charles King (my gr-grandfather, was born circa 1848 They later moved to the USA where Charles married Margaret Barringer and had my grand-mother, Clara King. I'm looking for copies of records of marriage and/or birth (like where can I write to obtain such)   And I'd be interested to know if I have any living cousins in that part of the country. Thank you for any help in this matter. Barbara Jeffries

Hi Catherine, Woolwich cemetery (Old or New) is not available online. The address to contact the cemetery for enquiries is: Greenwich Council, Cemetery Services, Shooters Hill Depot, (opposite Eaglesfield Road) Shooters Hill, London SE18 3HP Tel: +44 020 8921 6885, Fax: +44 020 8319 1943 Email: parks@greenwich.gov.uk In the interim, you may wish to try a search on https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch as there are three participating near-neighbour cemeteries - Islington, Kent & Sussex Crematorium and the Tunbridge Wells Borough Cemetery. Good luck. Sincerely, Susan D. Young, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Chief Executive, Ancestry Solutions www.ancestrysolutions.com County Administrator, Kent OPC www.kent-opc.org

Hi Nick, I was just about to re-direct you to the Knightroots website in Hants but I decided to have a quick look see first, and would you believe they have donated some of their transcriptions including Southampton to the OPC project which will be coming out on CD. But have a look because many surrounding areas, such as Portsea, Portsmouth are still on there and you are able to wade through various places and their transcriptions. I suggest a run through of the transcriptions just in case. 1. I see that the marriage comes from the IGI on Familysearch, which is woefully incomplete. 2. Doing a bit of research I can see That as far as I can see there are no Thomas and Ann Powneys (using Pown*, Poun*) also checked under just Ann alone 1851 census has Ann (Powney) as aged 50, widow, therefore born 1801 I can see that there is a sister Emma Ridout unmarried with her in 1851 and therefore the conclusion can be drawn that she is a biological sister. There is definitely a a marriage on Freebmd of a Thomas Powney and a "possible" Ann Ridout BUT I am going to throw some flies in the ointment, because none of us want to clamber up the wrong tree. 1. Sister - I have had sisters on the census that end up to be sister in laws. 2. Marrying in 1841 at age 42 (although not unheard of by any means) unless you have actually seen the marriage entry in Southampton can also mean that Ann is a widow (which is not shown on the IGI entries) Therefore her maiden name would not be Ridout. You really need the marriage certificate to make sure that you are not barking up the wrong tree....literally. 3. I am sorry Nick to be questioning how you came to the conclusions that you have, unless you have some knowledge that I cannot have, in a brief look at your problem. 4. If they were both married before and widowed, then it is possible they did have children that are grown. 5. I can honestly see where you are drawing conclusions......BUT I think you must start with what you know and work forward......the certificate to ascertain that you definitely have the correct family is a MUST at this stage. use the original parish registers where you can. I presume you have Ann's baptism to Thomas Ridout and Jane? Yep it's hard yards. The Parish Registers are available from a local LDS to order and peruse at (Mormon) Family History rooms locally. Sorry for the spanner in the works..... Cheers pam > Hello, > > I have few details of this couple beyond knowing that Ann was the daughter > of my ancestors,Thos. Ridout, surgeon and his wife, Jane Wanstall, and > that > she was born at Herne around 1799 and I believe the married at > Southampton > in 1841; it is therefore unlikely they had children. Ten years later, in > the > 1851 census, she was shown as being a widow > > If anyone has information on Thos. Powney I should like to hear from them. > > Thanks, > > Nick

Hi Linda, A quick look on FreeBMD found a John MARTIN born in Cranbrook RD in Q3 1921, mother's maiden name CROWTHER. A search of marriages turns up Stephen MARTIN marrying Beatrice E. CROWTHER in Ticehurst RD in 1921. This is very close to your friend's information. No Hugh, but perhaps it was added later and not listed when the birth was registered. The mother's initial E could be for Elizabeth. Looking back on the births, the same parents seem to have had a daughter Joan E. MARTIN born in Q3 1925 in the Cranbrook RD. Did your friend have an Aunt Joan? Keith in Montreal -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LINDA MARTIN Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 13:24 To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] MARTIN, CRANBROOK Hi:   I am trying to help my friend find her deceased father's family.  We live in Canada and all she has on him is Hugh John MARTIN, born 23 July 1921 in Cranbrook.  Parents names perhaps Stephen and Elizabeth.   The family moved to India in the 1930's, the elder Martin being an engineer.  They moved back to England after the war, where her father went to university and emigrated to Montreal, Canada in the 1950's. Hugh Martin fought with the Indian Army in WW II.   Having said all that, I can find no Hugh John Martin birth in that quarter in Cranbrook. Does anyone have access to Cranbrook baptisms for that time frame?   If I could find his birth I could certainly go backwards and help her, but coming forward seems harder!!   Thanks for any help given, Linda Ontario, Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert Thank you for that, I have just asked a question to them myself following your missive. I have been looking for years for my Grandfather in Norwood (lewisham RD).......so here's hoping. Have we been in contact before Robert? Are your Hilliers in that area, and also Tunbridge wells, Deptford, Norwood, back to Dorset et al? Cheers Pam from Adelaide Australia > Here is a l ittle feedback which may be useful to others at some time: > Following the helpful responses on this list to my original posting I > contacted Lewisham Local Studies by email and the librarian was able to > give me the details I wanted from the marriage register the same day (at > no charge ) and added his own helpful comments, including: > > "'Of this parish' is not to be taken too seriously in Lee, where there > was a tiny population and a large number of marriages." > > Well done Lewisham, and thanks to Anne, Charani and Judy for their help. > Best wishes to all listers, > Robert Hillier

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Hi Catherine, If you're referring to Ancestry's database of London Parish Registers, I believe the burial register for Woolwich 1800-1812 is not there. It's held at the LMA (P97/MRY/36), so it may appear on Ancestry in due course. On the other hand it may be there under a wrong descriptor, like so many other registers. It may be worth scrutinizing sample pages of other churches with the same name (St Mary Magdalene), since they may have put it in the wrong borough, or combined the images with those of another parish. HTH Judy London, UK -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Randall Listers: I'm having difficulty finding the burials for Woolwich 1800-1812. Is there a secret to finding them? Catherine

Hi:   I am trying to help my friend find her deceased father's family.  We live in Canada and all she has on him is Hugh John MARTIN, born 23 July 1921 in Cranbrook.  Parents names perhaps Stephen and Elizabeth.   The family moved to India in the 1930's, the elder Martin being an engineer.  They moved back to England after the war, where her father went to university and emigrated to Montreal, Canada in the 1950's. Hugh Martin fought with the Indian Army in WW II.   Having said all that, I can find no Hugh John Martin birth in that quarter in Cranbrook. Does anyone have access to Cranbrook baptisms for that time frame?   If I could find his birth I could certainly go backwards and help her, but coming forward seems harder!!   Thanks for any help given, Linda Ontario, Canada

Catherine Randall wrote: > I'm having difficulty finding the burials for Woolwich 1800-1812. > Is there a secret to finding them? Where have you been looking for them? Which site/s? If the deceased was away from home, then s/he may well have been buried where they died as it would have been expensive to bring them "home". OTOH, if the deceased was not local they may have made provision for the burial to have taken place in the family parish. Burial registers, like baptismal registers, weren't made up at the time but may have been done once a week, once a month or even once a quarter. In the interim a note would have been made on a scrap of paper or committed to memory with the result the scrap got may have been lost or mislaid or memory failed so the event didn't get added to the burial register. Sometimes the BTs will produce the entry if the scrap was found or something jogged the memory. Sometimes entries were noted in a day book but not always. If you give the name/s of the people you're looking for together with any other information you may have that might help, perhaps someone can find the burials. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi Catherine, Just click on this address, you may find your ancestor. It is a wonderful site to explore with MI's for many Kent churchyards. FYI for other listers, nothing recent, Lynne. http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/MIsWoolwich/MIsWoolwichIndexNames.htm --- On Tue, 4/20/10, Catherine Randall <crandall@andrewswireless.net> wrote: > From: Catherine Randall <crandall@andrewswireless.net> > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Burials in Woolwich > To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:03 PM > Listers:  I'm having difficulty > finding the burials for Woolwich 1800-1812.  Is there a > secret to finding them?  Catherine

Hi Gary, try searching the LDS family search website (library catalogue), I know people at our LDS that research the German and Dutch records. The films can be ordered via your local LDS. However the ones I have seen are in German. the lady I know brings her mother with her to translate. However, I have been told that Dutch and German records have wonderful indicators in the naming patterns which makes research a bit easier. Your local LDS will have a booklet on how to research records from various countries. Cheers pam from Adelaide Australia > Hi > > How do I go about getting german records .in english if pos. > > gary hodge

Hi I am looking for a church that the following marriage would of taken place, so then I can look up City Ark Records SADGROVE William WYATT Charlotte March 1/4 1843 Medway R/district, vol 5 page 344 Thanking you Linda Wyatt New Zealand.