Hi List I have a ancestor who commited suicide on a railway track back in 1931 weymouth, i have the press cuttings , he died with thousands of pounds and cheques on him , the press mentions the money ,but not what happened to it . The police would have held it ,i suppose at first , would a coroners court record show what happened to it or how it was processed by the law . I have not yet located if he had a wife etc , but he had siblings . G.Hodge

Hallo :) Thank you for all the advise and opinions!  Obviously it's not going to be an easy answer question. Henry's DN only said "doctor" but he would have studies in he mid 1830's and came back to Albania district in the now South Africa.  Albania is were the 1820 British Settlers settled and 15 years later there were not much more than farms and very small towns there.  I can't see why someone with a doctoral in anything but medicine, would go back there. Am I correct in saying that  finding any documental proove of John Henry studying as a doctor, would be unlikely? Does someone know how long they used to study to become a medical doctor? Kind regards Sunelia Heath - South Africa ________________________________ From: Helen Whapshott <helen.whapshott@ntlworld.com> To: Sunelia Heath <sunelia.heath@yahoo.com>; KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 7:44:59 AM Subject: RE: [KENT-ENG] Education in medicine before 1850 The first medical school was at the London Hospital (est 1785) followed by St Bartholomews (med school est 1822).  They would be the nearest to Northfleet but not at a commuter level in those days. HTH  Helen -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sunelia Heath Sent: 27 April 2010 20:54 To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Education in medicine before 1850 Hallo :) My Henry Heath's grandson, John Henry Heath, was born and lived in South Africa.  On his death notice his occupation is given as:  doctor.  It is unlikely that he would have been able to study medicine in South Africa at that time.  And if he studied abroad, it would have most probably been somewhere close to where his grandfather stayed, which was Northfleet, Kent. Does someone know where the closest school in medicine would have been in about 1835? Kind regards Sunelia Heath       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Sunelia, This link might have some useful tips for you on researching a doctor - http://user.itl.net/~glen/doctors.html Cheers Trish Nowra NSW My Henry Heath's grandson, John Henry Heath, was born and lived in South Africa. On his death notice his occupation is given as: doctor. It is unlikely that he would have been able to study medicine in South Africa at that time. And if he studied abroad, it would have most probably been somewhere close to where his grandfather stayed, which was Northfleet, Kent. Does someone know where the closest school in medicine would have been in about 1835? Kind regards Sunelia Heath

The first medical school was at the London Hospital (est 1785) followed by St Bartholomews (med school est 1822). They would be the nearest to Northfleet but not at a commuter level in those days. HTH Helen -----Original Message----- From: kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:kent-eng-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sunelia Heath Sent: 27 April 2010 20:54 To: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Subject: [KENT-ENG] Education in medicine before 1850 Hallo :) My Henry Heath's grandson, John Henry Heath, was born and lived in South Africa.  On his death notice his occupation is given as:  doctor.  It is unlikely that he would have been able to study medicine in South Africa at that time.  And if he studied abroad, it would have most probably been somewhere close to where his grandfather stayed, which was Northfleet, Kent. Does someone know where the closest school in medicine would have been in about 1835? Kind regards Sunelia Heath ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI On the topic of Surname origins, an important reference for information on this subject, not I fear transcribed into electronic form, are the books of P.H. Reaney. The most useful of his two valuable works for genealogists would be 'A Dictionary of British Surnames'. Then there is 'The Origin of English Surnames', more of a discussion on how and when such names came into use. Don't know whether libraries in Sweden would have these Lynne, you never know! Michael in springtime Clacton, UK

Linda Try to locate records in the 1910 Land Valuation Survey for the properties. This would tell you whether the father was owner as well, or just farmer. If the latter, I believe the owner might also be given. Steve Baldock B.Sc.(Hons)(Eng) contact@baldockfaggfamily.org.uk http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk http://www.facebook.com/baldockfaggfamily http://twitter.com/baldockfaggfam

Hallo :) My Henry Heath's grandson, John Henry Heath, was born and lived in South Africa.  On his death notice his occupation is given as:  doctor.  It is unlikely that he would have been able to study medicine in South Africa at that time.  And if he studied abroad, it would have most probably been somewhere close to where his grandfather stayed, which was Northfleet, Kent. Does someone know where the closest school in medicine would have been in about 1835? Kind regards Sunelia Heath

Hallo :) I'm still working on my Henry Heath and his Orme House. If I google Orme House, I get loads of little tittbitts about Orme House, nothing substancial though.  On one site I found the following: In 1872 Orme House, Northfleet, was demolished to make way for the expansion of Knight, Sturge & Bevan's cement works. The house was probably built in the early 18th Century and may have stood on the site of an earlier house, dating back as far as Elizabethan times.   Obviously the house isn't there anymore.  Again I've written to everyone that looked even remotely as if they might be able to help, again with no reply.  By now I understand why :)  Can anyone please direct me to where ever I should look for more information, and hopefully a picture of this Orme House (I do have a picture of a painting that has Orme House in the background)?    Kind regards Sunelia Heath

It sounds like you're both looking for the site by Phil Dance - Modern British Surnames: frequency and distribution http://homepages.newnet.co.uk/dance/webpjd/ :) Ruth Rathbone Fleming One-Name Study ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Randall" <crandall@andrewswireless.net> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Site address > I, too, would appreciate the site address. Thanks. Catherine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Berntsson" <54berntsson@telia.com> > To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:32 AM > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Site address > > >> Hi List >> >> I seem to remember there being a site that tells you about origins and >> movement of surnames, I wonder if some kind soul could give me that site >> address please. >> >> Lynne Berntsson >> Sweden >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda you could try a search on the national Archives database for the name of the farm in case there is any documentation relating to it you can restrict the searches to the area you are interested in hope you find something Jean

In message <160872.29609.qm@web86407.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, Suzannah Foad <suzannah.foad@btopenworld.com> writes >This I find very useful, once you get the hang of it! >http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Barry Wingham <bcwingham@hotmail.com> >To: Sussex Plus <sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, 26 April, 2010 18:37:40 >Subject: [SXP] Roman Catholic Records > > >Calling any Latin scholars out there; can you offer a meaningful >translation for the underlined portions of the following; > My last Latin lesson was in 1963, but I think that reasonable translations are: > >1). Die 30mo Julii, baptizavi Benjaminum, filium Jacobi Wingham et : >uxoris ejus protestantis, in sacello nostro domestico. Patrinus fuit >Thomas Wingham, matrina Maria Greenaway > 30th July, I baptised Benjamin, son of Jacob Wingham and : his wife (a protestant ?) in their home. Godfather was Thomas Wingham, godmother Maria Greenaway. > >2). Die 18o Martii, Baptizavi Mariam Wingham, filiam Jacobi Wingham et >Annae uxoris ejus. Patrini fuere Franciscus Higginson de Easebourne et >Anna Marshall de Cowdry. > 18th March I baptised Mary/Maria Wingham daughter of Jacob Wingham and Ann his wife. Godparents were Francis Higginson of Easebourne and Ann Marshall of Cowdry -- Chris Whitehead

LINDA MARTIN wrote: > Hi: > > I've found my main family in 1911 living at Chequer Tree Farm, > Goudhurst and the three other sons living at Maplesden Farm, > Beneden. The father has signed the census form for the three boys > living at the other farm. > > Would this indicate that he owned both farms? Not necessarily. The census asked for details of all those who spent the night at a specific address so if there were three boys stopping there on census night, they had to be included. The father would have signed both forms because he was the head of the households. The father might have owned both farms but he could equally have just farmed them for the landowner. > How do I determine that he actually owned the farms, as opposed to > just farming on them? The census just says farmer, not farmer of XX > acres. That was jut the way it was designated by different enumerators or the farmers themselves. It isn't an indication of ownership. > Is there a land registry for previous years that we can look at? There is a land registry and some registrations are available online but I don't know how far back they go or what the criteria for viewing them is. The original paperwork is, apparently, being destroyed as it's being uploaded. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

This I find very useful, once you get the hang of it! http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Barry Wingham <bcwingham@hotmail.com> To: Sussex Plus <sussex-plus@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 26 April, 2010 18:37:40 Subject: [SXP] Roman Catholic Records Calling any Latin scholars out there; can you offer a meaningful translation for the underlined portions of the following; 1). Die 30mo Julii, baptizavi Benjaminum, filium Jacobi Wingham et : uxoris ejus protestantis, in sacello nostro domestico. Patrinus fuit Thomas Wingham, matrina Maria Greenaway 2). Die 18o Martii, Baptizavi Mariam Wingham, filiam Jacobi Wingham et Annae uxoris ejus. Patrini fuere Franciscus Higginson de Easebourne et Anna Marshall de Cowdry. Seems to me that these represent a strange mixture of 3 languages. Barry Wingham                         _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SUSSEX-PLUS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hiya Possibly this is the one you mean http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/ All the best Dave Dixon BA (hons) - Economic & Social History - University of Kent - Canterbury 1997 www.fadedgenes.co.uk On 26 April 2010 13:04, Catherine Randall <crandall@andrewswireless.net> wrote: > I, too, would appreciate the site address.  Thanks.  Catherine > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Berntsson" <54berntsson@telia.com> > To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:32 AM > Subject: [KENT-ENG] Site address > > >> Hi List >> >> I seem to remember there being a site that tells you about origins and >> movement of surnames, I wonder if some kind soul could give me that site >> address please. >> >> Lynne Berntsson >> Sweden >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for the explanation.   I guess I'll probably never know!   Linda --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Charani <charani.b@googlemail.com> wrote: From: Charani <charani.b@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [KENT-ENG] Farm Ownership To: "LINDA MARTIN" <lmmartin@rogers.com> Cc: KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 5:19 PM LINDA MARTIN wrote: > Hi: > > I've found my main family in 1911 living at Chequer Tree Farm, > Goudhurst and the three other sons living at Maplesden Farm, > Beneden.  The father has signed the census form for the three boys > living at the other farm. > > Would this indicate that he owned both farms? Not necessarily.  The census asked for details of all those who spent the night at a specific address so if there were three boys stopping there on census night, they had to be included.  The father would have signed both forms because he was the head of the households. The father might have owned both farms but he could equally have just farmed them for the landowner. > How do I determine that he actually owned the farms, as opposed to > just farming on them? The census just says farmer, not farmer of XX > acres. That was jut the way it was designated by different enumerators or the farmers themselves.  It isn't an indication of ownership. > Is there a land registry for previous years that we can look at? There is a land registry and some registrations are available online but I don't know how far back they go or what the criteria for viewing them is.  The original paperwork is, apparently, being destroyed as it's being uploaded. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk

Hi:   I've found my main family in 1911 living at Chequer Tree Farm, Goudhurst and the three other sons living at Maplesden Farm, Beneden.  The father has signed the census form for the three boys living at the other farm.   Would this indicate that he owned both farms?   How do I determine that he actually owned the farms, as opposed to just farming on them? The census just says farmer, not farmer of XX acres.   Is there a land registry for previous years that we can look at?   Thanks, Linda

Hi List I seem to remember there being a site that tells you about origins and movement of surnames, I wonder if some kind soul could give me that site address please. Lynne Berntsson Sweden

I, too, would appreciate the site address. Thanks. Catherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Berntsson" <54berntsson@telia.com> To: <KENT-ENG@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:32 AM Subject: [KENT-ENG] Site address > Hi List > > I seem to remember there being a site that tells you about origins and > movement of surnames, I wonder if some kind soul could give me that site > address please. > > Lynne Berntsson > Sweden > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > KENT-ENG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This could be her in 1911 DAWKINS, Thomas Head Married M 66 1845 Labourer On Farm Kent Denton DAWKINS, Alice Wife Married 41 years 2 children 1 living 41 years F 61 1850 Kent Acrise KEELER, Lilly Niece F 13 1898 Kent Wootton AMOS, Harry Boarder Married M 40 1871 Labourer In Garden Domestic Kent Chilham Registration District: Eastry Sub District: Eythorne Enumeration District: 1 Parish: Nonington Address: Ratling Adisham Dover County: Kent Alice was a KEELER Marriages Dec 1870 Dawkins Thomas Dover 2a 1441 Keeler Alice Dover 2a 1441 and this could be her marriage Lillie M Keeler Spouse Surname: Hood Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1920 Registration district: Eastry Registration county (inferred): Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 2073 Allington C Hood Spouse Surname: Keeler Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1920 Registration district: Eastry Registration county (inferred): Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 2073 Anne South Australia L Morriss wrote: > Hi if its at all possible could some kind person help by finding LILLIE MARY KEELER on any census she was > born in BRIDGE KENT march qtr 1898,thankyou for any help with this,best wishes John in Deal kent >

Hi if its at all possible could some kind person help by finding LILLIE MARY KEELER on any census she was born in BRIDGE KENT march qtr 1898,thankyou for any help with this,best wishes John in Deal kent